Bizarre interview with FL

Crankyfeet said:

Oh look ... it's italiano "I hitto my heado anna canna no longero speako da Anglo" chiming in from Tuscany...:p

Pulling a hoax is meaningless unless you're going somewhere with it.

BTW, the other day I hit my head in a bicycle crash and now I speak and write fluent Dutch.

Kunt u wat ik lezen schrijf?

Crankyfeet said:

Now that government police are involved in pursuing drug taking in sports, the days of sports authorities turning the other cheek may be over.

How does the FBI prosecute though? It seems that most PED's are not illegal. They just contravene the rules of a particular sport. The Bonds/Jones busts were more about lying than drug taking. Its like they say... tell us the truth and wreck your career... or lie and we'll put you in jail and wreck your career.

So how do they get search warrants? Suspicion of possessing a drug without a prescription??

Countries need to actually legislate for doping in sport - in order to enpower the civil authorities to take action.
Sport doping is actually legislated against under French law.

Whereas here - we don't have such legislation, although it is being considered.
Over here, if someone was found with vials of EPO in their car by the police - they could be prosecuted under another piece of legislation.
However, the end user for the EPO would not be prosecuted (in all probability).

I think specific legislation should be enacted in all countries - that way you can charge the supplier, the facilitator and the end user.

limerickman said:

Countries need to actually legislate for doping in sport - in order to enpower the civil authorities to take action.
Sport doping is actually legislated against under French law.

Whereas here - we don't have such legislation, although it is being considered.
Over here, if someone was found with vials of EPO in their car by the police - they could be prosecuted under another piece of legislation.
However, the end user for the EPO would not be prosecuted (in all probability).

I think specific legislation should be enacted in all countries - that way you can charge the supplier, the facilitator and the end user.

this is why Pound was trying to go through the UN for this... to get contries to sign a treaty rather than going to each country in the world individually... otherwise would take too long and would end up with differenent rules in every country

doctorSpoc said:

this is why Pound was trying to go through the UN for this... to get contries to sign a treaty rather than going to each country in the world individually... otherwise would take too long and would end up with differenent rules in every country

Which makes sense.

WADA has been signed up to most sovereign goverments (IOC made signing up compulsory prior to 2004 Olympics, if nations wanted to take part in the Olympics).

Perhaps WADA need to present a template legal document via UN - then it might quicken the entire process??

limerickman said:

Countries need to actually legislate for doping in sport - in order to enpower the civil authorities to take action.
Sport doping is actually legislated against under French law.

Is it sporting fraud? Or does it go by a different name?

Just interested.

helmutRoole2 said:

Is it sporting fraud? Or does it go by a different name?

Just interested.

Don't know the name of the law specifically - but it was the law which allowed the French Gendarmerie to take several riders away for questioning during last years TDF : (Italian cyclist - name escapes me - was filmed being led away by the French police).

It's more than a fraud, doping is unhealthy, so encourage it, it's like wounded someone or to put the live in jeopardy (?).

A (machine translation) excerpt from santesport.gouv.frloi.aspOpen ↗

Quoted post said:

[center]Article L. 232-26
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The fact of prescribing in violation of the provisions of the second and third subparagraphs of the article L. 232-2 of this code, to yield, offer, manage or apply to a sportsman mentioned with the article L. 232-9, a substance or a process mentioned to that the article, to facilitate its use or to encourage, in some manner that it is, this sportsman with their use is punished five years of imprisonment and 75 000 euros fine. The sorrows envisaged with the first subparagraph are increased at seven years of imprisonment and 150 000 euros of fine when the facts are made in organized band, within the meaning of article 132-71 of the penal code, or when they are made with regard to a minor.

poulidor said:

It's more than a fraud, doping is unhealthy, so encourage it, it's like wounded someone or to put the live in jeopardy (?).

A (machine translation) excerpt from santesport.gouv.frloi.aspOpen ↗

This is the law in France?

helmutRoole2 said:

This is the law in France?

Yes, it's a part of the law.

poulidor said:

Yes, it's a part of the law.

Thanks.

helmutRoole2 said:

Thanks.

I think you've got to go there this July helmut for your research...

helmutRoole2 said:

Thanks.

De rien.

Now if you have to bring with you on TDF a shoe box for some of your pro cycling friends, you know why you will open that box! 😄

I think all thise sports fraud stuff is bogus. Every country already has laws against regular run of the mill fraud, and that is exactly what doping in sport is. The athletes are defrauding sponsors, race organizers, companies they have personal endorement contracts with, people stupid enough to contribute to defense funds, etc. Just charge them with regular criminal fraud.

limerickman said:

Which makes sense.

WADA has been signed up to most sovereign goverments (IOC made signing up compulsory prior to 2004 Olympics, if nations wanted to take part in the Olympics).

Perhaps WADA need to present a template legal document via UN - then it might quicken the entire process??

cyclingnews.comnews.phpOpen ↗
US closer to signing anti-doping treaty

The United States took one step closer to signing a treaty intended to help fight doping in sport when President Bush asked the Senate to ratify the International Convention Against Doping in Sport on Thursday. The World Anti-doping Agency (WADA)-backed agreement, which was drawn up under the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), has already been ratified by more than 70 other nations.

The UNESCO treaty formalizes global anti-doping rules under the WADA code, getting around issues which prevented some governments, such as the United States, from being legally bound by documents of non-governmental organizations such as WADA.

The White House statement noted that the treaty was in agreement with existing US laws and policies, but the aim was to "solidify our Nation's place as a leader in the worldwide effort to rid athletics of cheating through chemistry."

The latest WADA code, which will go into effect on January 1, 2009, restricts the International Olympic Committee (IOC) to selecting host cities only in countries which have ratified the UNESCO treaty.

The accord, which was due to go into effect last year, could aid in the punishment of those who aid the athletes in procuring or using the doping products and to punish physicians based on their involvement in doping practices.

A wonderful success of Floyd's campaign. A real winner or whiner!

doctorSpoc said:

The accord, which was due to go into effect last year, could aid in the punishment of those who aid the athletes in procuring or using the doping products and to punish physicians based on their involvement in doping practices.

This is where the real breakthrough will occur IMO.

An analogy IMO would be that the fight against smoking didn't make any inroads until they switched to non-smokers as their target.