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  1. OK, my palate is perhaps a bit unsophisticated, but I can't eat bitter
    greens. Just. Can't. (For scale - I ate a single leaf of raw arugula
    last night. Had to wash it down with water.)

    Anyway, I think I'll be getting a lot of them in my new-to-me-this-
    year CSA subscription. So... what can I do to make them tasty? Any way
    to tone down the bitterness? Also, what leafy greens are not bitter?
    I'm familiar with a large variety of Asian greens (eg, bok choi, napa
    cabbage, pea tips, etc), but what "American" greens are not bitter?
    (Chard?)

    Thanks for your knowledge,
    June

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    Quoted message said:

    OK, my palate is perhaps a bit unsophisticated, but I can't eat bitter
    greens. Just. Can't. (For scale - I ate a single leaf of raw arugula
    last night. Had to wash it down with water.)

    Anyway, I think I'll be getting a lot of them in my new-to-me-this-
    year CSA subscription. So... what can I do to make them tasty? Any way
    to tone down the bitterness? Also, what leafy greens are not bitter?
    I'm familiar with a large variety of Asian greens (eg, bok choi, napa
    cabbage, pea tips, etc), but what "American" greens are not bitter?
    (Chard?)

    Thanks for your knowledge,
    June

    Any greens that can be bitter WILL be more bitter when grown in warmer
    weather. Tone them down in salads by using a sweet dressing, like a
    raspberry vinaigrette. If cooking them, begin by sauteeing some onions
    slowly until they become quite sweet. Then, add the greens.

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    Quoted message said:

    OK, my palate is perhaps a bit unsophisticated, but I can't eat bitter
    greens. Just. Can't. (For scale - I ate a single leaf of raw arugula
    last night. Had to wash it down with water.)

    Anyway, I think I'll be getting a lot of them in my new-to-me-this-
    year CSA subscription. So... what can I do to make them tasty? Any way
    to tone down the bitterness? Also, what leafy greens are not bitter?
    I'm familiar with a large variety of Asian greens (eg, bok choi, napa
    cabbage, pea tips, etc), but what "American" greens are not bitter?
    (Chard?)

    Thanks for your knowledge,
    June

    spinach, romaine lettuce, boston bib lettuce,leaf lettuce, beet
    leaves...these salad greens I find not bitter.

    --

    The house of the burning beet-Alan

    It'll be a sunny day in August, when the Moon will shine that night-
    Elbonian Folklore

  4. June said:

    OK, my palate is perhaps a bit unsophisticated, but I can't eat bitter
    greens. Just. Can't. (For scale - I ate a single leaf of raw arugula
    last night. Had to wash it down with water.)

    Anyway, I think I'll be getting a lot of them in my new-to-me-this-
    year CSA subscription. So... what can I do to make them tasty? Any way
    to tone down the bitterness?

    www.epicurious.com/recipes/recipe_views/views/236407 gives a recipe for
    "tourte de blette," which is an offbeat way of toning down the bitterness of
    Swiss chard.

    I like to cook kale in a crockpot to soften the texture and the bitterness;
    the cooked dish can be served as a side dish alongside smoked sausages or
    meats. (You can even put it in a hot dog bun with bratwurst.)

    Collards can either be slow-cooked:
    www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_30571,00.html

    medium-cooked:
    http://jugalbandi.info/tag/collard-greens

    or stir-fried:
    www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_2893,00.html

    They go well with bland food like black-eyed peas and rice, or with very
    spicy food; the bland food tempers their bitterness while the spicy food
    plays against it.

    Arugula, endive, and chicory (including radicchio) can be cooked to mute the
    bitterness, or they can be served with fatty things that temper the
    bitterness. (The classic example of that would be the bistro salad of
    frisée, bacon, and a poached egg, but I've found that using them in place of
    the lettuce in a BLT works fine too.) Sometimes they're paired with white
    beans, although that's not one of my favorite combinations. I believe one of
    the Moosewood publications (either _Moosewood Cookbook_ or _Enchanted
    Broccoli Forest_) has a recipe for pesto made from arugula, but I can't
    verify that at the moment.

    I hope this helps!

    Bob

  5. Quoted message said:

    OK, my palate is perhaps a bit unsophisticated, but I can't eat bitter
    greens. Just. Can't. (For scale - I ate a single leaf of raw arugula
    last night. Had to wash it down with water.)

    Anyway, I think I'll be getting a lot of them in my new-to-me-this-
    year CSA subscription. So... what can I do to make them tasty? Any way
    to tone down the bitterness?

    I would say if you're going to use them for salads, use them in a
    mixture of greens so that the bitterness you dislike is balanced out
    with less strongly flavored greens.

    I love escarole with its slight bitterness in soups. Perhaps arugula
    would work well for you there?

  6. Goomba38 said:

    I love escarole with its slight bitterness in soups. Perhaps arugula would
    work well for you there?

    This is a wintry soup, what with the chestnuts, but perhaps it could be
    adapted to summertime without much difficulty:

    (Posted November 2005)

    I made this for Thanksgiving and it was very, very good. I *think* that the
    chestnut-arugula combination is my own invention. Prior to this, I hadn't
    been all that fond of chestnuts, since they'd usually had a mealy quality
    that I didn't like. But this soup was velvety, lush, and luscious.

    Cream of Chestnut soup

    15 oz roasted chestnuts
    4 cups chicken broth
    1 small onion, peeled and chunked
    about 10 good-sized arugula leaves
    3 tablespoons soft butter
    1 teaspoon salt
    1/2 teaspoon white pepper
    1 1/2 cups half-and-half
    Salt & pepper to taste

    In a blender, combine chestnuts, chicken stock, and onion; liquefy. (You
    might have to work in batches.) Set aside a few arugula leaves for garnish;
    chop the remaining arugula roughly. Add the chopped arugula, butter, salt,
    and white pepper to the soup. Bring mixture just to a boil, reduce the heat,
    and simmer it gently for 15 minutes.

    Cut the reserved arugula leaves into chiffonade.

    Add the cream, stirring to blend the mixture. Season with salt and pepper to
    taste, and garnish with the arugula chiffonade.

    NOTES:

    1. When cooked, arugula's taste changes quite a bit. This soup presents both
    the cooked and the uncooked flavors.

    2. I used fresh-ground white pepper; I imagine that pre-ground would be more
    subdued. I also eyeballed the measurement, but probably added a full
    teaspoon rather than the half-teaspoon I wrote above.

    3. I think a blender is the best tool for making this soup, but feel free to
    use a stick blender or a food processor. Just don't cry to me if the texture
    isn't velvety.

    Bob

  7. Bob Terwilliger said:

    This is a wintry soup, what with the chestnuts, but perhaps it could be
    adapted to summertime without much difficulty:

    (Posted November 2005)

    I made this for Thanksgiving and it was very, very good. I *think* that the
    chestnut-arugula combination is my own invention. Prior to this, I hadn't
    been all that fond of chestnuts, since they'd usually had a mealy quality
    that I didn't like. But this soup was velvety, lush, and luscious.

    Cream of Chestnut soup

    He made this for me at Christmas and I must say it was VERY good! I
    wonder if the arugula would work well in pumpkin soup? With just a
    little bit of diced ham .... yum.

    --Lin

  8. Replying to myself said:

    This is a wintry soup, what with the chestnuts, but perhaps it could be
    adapted to summertime without much difficulty:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Cream of Chestnut soup


    <snip>

    Here's a cold soup using cooked arugula:

    Arugula-Soymilk-Sesame (Yes, I know that it would be abbreviated ASS.) Soup

    1 leek
    2 tablespoons olive oil
    salt and white pepper
    about 10 good-sized leaves arugula
    1 quart soymilk
    1/4 teaspoon sesame oil
    toasted sesame seeds

    Cut off and discard the roots and green leaves from the leek. Slice the
    remaining leek section crosswise thinly and soak in a basin with plenty of
    cold water, agitating the leeks to dislodge any grit. Allow grit to sink to
    the bottom of the basin for about five minutes, then scoop out the leeks
    (carefully, so as not to stir the grit up again).

    Heat the olive oil in a pot over medium-low heat. Add the leeks, sprinkle
    lightly with salt, and cover. Allow the leeks to sweat for about five
    minutes, or until soft and translucent. Coarsely chop the arugula leaves.
    Add the arugula leaves, raise the heat to medium, and cook until the arugula
    is softened, about 2 minutes.

    Add the soymilk and cook, stirring occasionally, for about 15 minutes. Add
    salt and white pepper to taste. Remove from the heat, add sesame oil, and
    blend. Chill for at least one hour. Taste again and add salt or white
    pepper if needed. When serving, sprinkle each helping with toasted sesame
    seeds.

    Bob

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted post said:

    OK, my palate is perhaps a bit unsophisticated, but I can't eat bitter
    greens. Just. Can't. (For scale - I ate a single leaf of raw arugula
    last night. Had to wash it down with water.)

    Anyway, I think I'll be getting a lot of them in my new-to-me-this-
    year CSA subscription. So... what can I do to make them tasty? Any way
    to tone down the bitterness? Also, what leafy greens are not bitter?
    I'm familiar with a large variety of Asian greens (eg, bok choi, napa
    cabbage, pea tips, etc), but what "American" greens are not bitter?
    (Chard?)

    Thanks for your knowledge,
    June

    Chard is not bitter at all. :-)
    It's similar (to my palate) to spinach but a bit richer.

    I'm not a fan of bitter greens either. Romaine is pushing it for me on
    that scale.
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  10. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted post said:

    OK, my palate is perhaps a bit unsophisticated, but I can't eat bitter
    greens. Just. Can't. (For scale - I ate a single leaf of raw arugula
    last night. Had to wash it down with water.)

    Anyway, I think I'll be getting a lot of them in my new-to-me-this-
    year CSA subscription. So... what can I do to make them tasty? Any way
    to tone down the bitterness? Also, what leafy greens are not bitter?
    I'm familiar with a large variety of Asian greens (eg, bok choi, napa
    cabbage, pea tips, etc), but what "American" greens are not bitter?
    (Chard?)

    Thanks for your knowledge,
    June

    Chard is not bitter at all. :-)
    It's similar (to my palate) to spinach but a bit richer.

    I'm not a fan of bitter greens either. Romaine is pushing it for me on
    that scale.

    Exactly! Swiss chard is like bok choi, really.

    One way to treat bitter greens is to blanch them in a lot of boiling
    water and then press the water out very well. You can wrap them in a
    clean dish towel, close it and wring it over the sink. You can then
    proceed with any recipe and they will have lost some of their
    bitterness. In the case of dendelions, my mother cooked them in three
    waters, disposing of the water after each blanching.

    Last night I had not bitter chard slightly steamed, drained and then
    tossed with olive oil I heated with slim slices of garlic and a pinch of
    chili flakes. Very nice.

    Sautéing the greens for a pasta dish doesn't decrease the bitterness per
    se, but does decrease your perception of it as it is diminished by the
    pasta. Orecchiette with broccoli rabe is an example of that.

    I don't find arugula bitter at all! I find it a bit spicy though.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Giusi said:
    Quoted message said:

    Chard is not bitter at all. :-)
    It's similar (to my palate) to spinach but a bit richer.

    I'm not a fan of bitter greens either. Romaine is pushing it for me on
    that scale.

    Exactly! Swiss chard is like bok choi, really.

    One way to treat bitter greens is to blanch them in a lot of boiling
    water and then press the water out very well. You can wrap them in a
    clean dish towel, close it and wring it over the sink. You can then
    proceed with any recipe and they will have lost some of their
    bitterness. In the case of dendelions, my mother cooked them in three
    waters, disposing of the water after each blanching.

    I'll have to try that. Dandelions would be "free food" in my yard with
    as many that come up. :-) And I understand that they are highly
    nutritious. I guess I'd just harvest them when very young and small?
    I've never been able to stand them raw as a salad green.

    Quoted message said:


    Last night I had not bitter chard slightly steamed, drained and then
    tossed with olive oil I heated with slim slices of garlic and a pinch of
    chili flakes. Very nice.

    Ooh, I just steam chard and serve it with lemon butter, or just salt it
    lightly and serve it plain. Depends on my mood. Rainbow and red chard is
    fantastic as is.

    Quoted message said:


    Sautéing the greens for a pasta dish doesn't decrease the bitterness per
    se, but does decrease your perception of it as it is diminished by the
    pasta. Orecchiette with broccoli rabe is an example of that.

    I don't find arugula bitter at all! I find it a bit spicy though.

    Not sure what it is about Arugula. I cannot even stand the way it
    _smells_! We used to grow it as my mom loved it, but she got to eat it
    all. ;-)
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  12. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I don't find arugula bitter at all! I find it a bit spicy though.

    Not sure what it is about Arugula. I cannot even stand the way it
    _smells_! We used to grow it as my mom loved it, but she got to eat it
    all. ;-)

    Well I love greens, so I eat them any old way, but people who don't
    might like another slant.

    Maybe you don't like it alone? My favorite pizza is cooked plain and
    then has a fresh cheese (scamorza) melted on it, raw rucola (the Italian
    word) scattered over it and a thread of good oil. That pizza wins for
    taste with me every time.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  13. Giusi said:

    Exactly! Swiss chard is like bok choi, really.

    With all the various greens Bob and I have been getting in our CSA, he
    has been cooking up so many delightful things that I hadn't tried
    before. Swiss Chard [censored] a couple of nights ago. Yummers.

    A big fan of spinach, I am very surprised at all the delicious dishes
    coming from things I would have turned my nose up to before. Ah,
    variety!

    --Lin

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Giusi said:
    Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I don't find arugula bitter at all! I find it a bit spicy though.

    Not sure what it is about Arugula. I cannot even stand the way it
    _smells_! We used to grow it as my mom loved it, but she got to eat it
    all. ;-)

    Well I love greens, so I eat them any old way, but people who don't
    might like another slant.

    I love greens, just certain ones.<G>

    Quoted message said:


    Maybe you don't like it alone? My favorite pizza is cooked plain and
    then has a fresh cheese (scamorza) melted on it, raw rucola (the Italian
    word) scattered over it and a thread of good oil. That pizza wins for
    taste with me every time.

    Like the love or hate of Cilantro, it's probably genetic.
    I can't get rocket lettuce past my nose.
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Lin said:
    Giusi said:

    Exactly! Swiss chard is like bok choi, really.

    With all the various greens Bob and I have been getting in our CSA, he
    has been cooking up so many delightful things that I hadn't tried
    before. Swiss Chard [censored] a couple of nights ago. Yummers.

    A big fan of spinach, I am very surprised at all the delicious dishes
    coming from things I would have turned my nose up to before. Ah,
    variety!

    --Lin

    It is wonderful... ;-)

    It's interesting to me that since attempting to live mostly a low carb
    lifestyle, AND learning how to cook, I eat more variety now than I ever
    have in my life.

    A trip to the produce section at the asian market is a delightful
    adventure.
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  16. "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A trip to the produce section at the asian market is a delightful
    adventure.

    sounds like poppycock to me!

    are these asian greens fresh? how!? they've been on a boat since china!

  17. pulvarized over cooked spinach
    go back to cooking class please

    "Giusi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted post said:

    OK, my palate is perhaps a bit unsophisticated, but I can't eat bitter
    greens. Just. Can't. (For scale - I ate a single leaf of raw arugula
    last night. Had to wash it down with water.)

    Anyway, I think I'll be getting a lot of them in my new-to-me-this-
    year CSA subscription. So... what can I do to make them tasty? Any way
    to tone down the bitterness? Also, what leafy greens are not bitter?
    I'm familiar with a large variety of Asian greens (eg, bok choi, napa
    cabbage, pea tips, etc), but what "American" greens are not bitter?
    (Chard?)

    Thanks for your knowledge,
    June

    Chard is not bitter at all. :-)
    It's similar (to my palate) to spinach but a bit richer.

    I'm not a fan of bitter greens either. Romaine is pushing it for me on
    that scale.

    Exactly! Swiss chard is like bok choi, really.

    One way to treat bitter greens is to blanch them in a lot of boiling
    water and then press the water out very well. You can wrap them in a
    clean dish towel, close it and wring it over the sink. You can then
    proceed with any recipe and they will have lost some of their
    bitterness. In the case of dendelions, my mother cooked them in three
    waters, disposing of the water after each blanching.

    Last night I had not bitter chard slightly steamed, drained and then
    tossed with olive oil I heated with slim slices of garlic and a pinch of
    chili flakes. Very nice.

    Sautéing the greens for a pasta dish doesn't decrease the bitterness per
    se, but does decrease your perception of it as it is diminished by the
    pasta. Orecchiette with broccoli rabe is an example of that.

    I don't find arugula bitter at all! I find it a bit spicy though.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  18. In article <[email hidden]>, "reeper" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A trip to the produce section at the asian market is a delightful
    adventure.

    sounds like poppycock to me!

    are these asian greens fresh? how!? they've been on a boat since china!

    Not all of them!!!

    Some are locally grown.
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  19. In article <[email hidden]>, "reeper" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    pulvarized over cooked spinach
    go back to cooking class please

    Learn how to read...
    He said nothing about spinach!

    Hard bitter greens are not the same thing.

    I'd suggest you try them before abusing your keyboard.
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  20. Om said:
    Quoted message said:

    pulvarized over cooked spinach
    go back to cooking class please

    Learn how to read...
    He said nothing about spinach!

    Hard bitter greens are not the same thing.

    I'd suggest you try them before abusing your keyboard.

    Om, in case you hadn't figured it out yet, "reeper" is a troll. Not worth
    reading, and certainly not worth replying.

    Bob

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