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  1. My baby brother, age 12, wants a new bike.

    He's 4' 10"--we would reasonably expect that he'd be riding a bike with
    24" wheels. But I'm hesitant to buy any of the 24"-wheeled bikes on the
    market. I don't much like the idea of suspension forks on something that
    will certainly never see conditions that merit suspension. My brother's
    last bike, with 20" wheels, was a make-believe dual-sus setup which
    creaked like nobody's business.

    Being the family bike guy, I've been tasked to find a suitable bike for
    not a lot of money. The bike will likely see very very light use indeed,
    and probably not be used for more than a year, maybe two at most.

    I'm leaning towards getting him a freestyle BMX frame and letting him have
    at it. Any thoughts?

    --
    Luigi de Guzman
    http://ouij.livejournal.com

  2. Luigi de Guzman said:

    My baby brother, age 12, wants a new bike.

    He's 4' 10"--we would reasonably expect that he'd be riding a bike with
    24" wheels. But I'm hesitant to buy any of the 24"-wheeled bikes on the
    market. I don't much like the idea of suspension forks on something that
    will certainly never see conditions that merit suspension. My brother's
    last bike, with 20" wheels, was a make-believe dual-sus setup which
    creaked like nobody's business.

    Being the family bike guy, I've been tasked to find a suitable bike for
    not a lot of money. The bike will likely see very very light use indeed,
    and probably not be used for more than a year, maybe two at most.

    I'm leaning towards getting him a freestyle BMX frame and letting him have
    at it. Any thoughts?

    Lou, you could probably find a children's road bike if you looked hard
    enough. Ask at some local old-time bike shops or ask on Craigslist.
    Back in the 60's they used to make 24" real road bikes. Where do you
    live?

  3. "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    My baby brother, age 12, wants a new bike.

    Ach, this is really hard. My 12 year old wants to replace her bike, too.
    She's completely outgrown her kiddie one. At 5'4", she may still have some
    growing yet, and I hate to sink $$ into a bike that we'd have to replace in
    a couple of years.

    What we're doing for now is stalling; I want to find out really what kind of
    riding she wants to do for the next few years. Probably some sort of hybrid
    would suit her best.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
    See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

    PS, good to see you back, Luigi.

  4. Claire Petersky said:

    "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My baby brother, age 12, wants a new bike.

    Ach, this is really hard. My 12 year old wants to replace her bike, too.
    She's completely outgrown her kiddie one. At 5'4", she may still have some
    growing yet, and I hate to sink $$ into a bike that we'd have to replace in
    a couple of years.

    What we're doing for now is stalling; I want to find out really what kind of
    riding she wants to do for the next few years. Probably some sort of hybrid
    would suit her best.

    Too bad Target doesn't stock the 24" Denali road bike in their stores
    so you could go kick the tires.

    For $150, it should last two years.
    http://www.amazon.com/GMC-Denali-Girls-24-Inch-Road/dp/B000GU2UAC

    With a few upgrades, it might make a nice machine for a small adult.
    --
    zk

  5. cyclintom said:


    Lou, you could probably find a children's road bike if you looked hard
    enough. Ask at some local old-time bike shops or ask on Craigslist.
    Back in the 60's they used to make 24" real road bikes. Where do you
    live?

    Northern Virginia, outside of Washington, DC. I've seen 24" roadies, and
    they're SUPER rare. It's probably not the right type of bike for him,
    anyway. The folks don't let him ride too far--don't really let him do
    anything, actually*--so I'd really just be looking for something with 24"
    wheels and no crummy suspension.

    I wish I could get him something like this:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ouij/254599421/

    a kid-sized (24" wheels?) version of the Raleigh DL-1 roadster, which I
    found rather securely locked to an iron fence near a Cambridge primary
    school.

    I imagine this is the age where a lot of kids just quit riding bikes
    altogether. *sigh*.

    -Luigi

    --
    Luigi de Guzman
    http://ouij.livejournal.com

  6. Luigi de Guzman said:

    Any thoughts?

    I imagine he'll be using it mostly for getting around the
    neighbourhood to socialise so get him what _he_ wants.

    Having a bike like his friends' bikes means there's a better chance
    that he'll ride it. If his buddies are into doing stunts on their BMX
    free style bikes, that's what he'll want to ride too. If they're
    screwing around on cheap boingers, he needs one too. If his buddies
    have heavy crappy choppers, that's the bike for him too.

    None are likely to catastrophically fail if it's assembled properly.

    Many of the Asian market granny bikes are built with 24" X 1 3/8"
    wheels. They'd be a better utility bike except granny bikes aren't
    cool with pubescent boys and they're rare in the N.A. market.

    Cheap 24" road bikes can be had cheaply. (<$200) With some proper
    care and attention one of those should last two years.
    --
    zk

  7. Zoot Katz said:

    Many of the Asian market granny bikes are built with 24" X 1 3/8"
    wheels. They'd be a better utility bike except granny bikes aren't
    cool with pubescent boys and they're rare in the N.A. market.

    When I was in fifth grade, I outgrew my BMX bike and wanted a mountain
    bike like my sister's. My parent's, bless their hearts, ended up
    getting me what amounted to a too large granny bike with curvy (NOT
    COOL!) handlebars.

    I was so embarrassed and *ashamed* to be embarrassed. It was perfectly
    good bike, but just not what I wanted. One time, by some sort of
    miracle, I was coming home just as my mom was checking the mail (one of
    the 5 times I might had ridden it). The [censored] 6th-grade neighbor
    screamed, "Hey, nice girl bike SISSY!"

    I didn't have to do any explaining after that. We went to K-mart and
    got the coolest red Huffy mountain bike. I rode that thing into the
    ground.

    \\paul

  8. Paul Myron Hobson said:
    Zoot Katz said:

    Many of the Asian market granny bikes are built with 24" X 1 3/8"
    wheels. They'd be a better utility bike except granny bikes aren't
    cool with pubescent boys and they're rare in the N.A. market.

    When I was in fifth grade, I outgrew my BMX bike and wanted a mountain
    bike like my sister's. My parent's, bless their hearts, ended up
    getting me what amounted to a too large granny bike with curvy (NOT
    COOL!) handlebars.

    I was so embarrassed and *ashamed* to be embarrassed. It was perfectly
    good bike, but just not what I wanted. One time, by some sort of
    miracle, I was coming home just as my mom was checking the mail (one of
    the 5 times I might had ridden it). The [censored] 6th-grade neighbor
    screamed, "Hey, nice girl bike SISSY!"

    I didn't have to do any explaining after that. We went to K-mart and
    got the coolest red Huffy mountain bike. I rode that thing into the
    ground.

    I had a black Huffy 24" mountain bike that has since rusted away into
    oblivion that I wish I could have given my brother. Sigh.

    I just don't like boingers, is all.

    The worst part is that my baby brother is much less free to ride than I
    myself was. The folks barely let him get to the edge of the street. I
    used to get on my bike and explore. I'd stop when I felt I was getting
    too far out of my element--main highways, for instance--but otherwise, I
    was free to roam, even if none of the other neighborhood kids rode with me.

    I'm 26. My brothers are 17 and 12. I pity them, but there's no talking
    the folks into letting them roam on bikes. When I'm with them, and try to
    teach them to ride on the street effectively, I get an earful for exposing
    them to unnecessary risk.

    What the hell happened in the years between my 24" black huffy and now?
    *sigh*

    -Luigi

    Quoted message said:


    \\paul

    --
    Luigi de Guzman
    http://ouij.livejournal.com

  9. "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    The worst part is that my baby brother is much less free to ride than I
    myself was. The folks barely let him get to the edge of the street. I
    used to get on my bike and explore. I'd stop when I felt I was getting
    too far out of my element--main highways, for instance--but otherwise, I
    was free to roam, even if none of the other neighborhood kids rode with
    me.

    I'm 26. My brothers are 17 and 12. I pity them, but there's no talking
    the folks into letting them roam on bikes. When I'm with them, and try to
    teach them to ride on the street effectively, I get an earful for exposing
    them to unnecessary risk.

    What the hell happened in the years between my 24" black huffy and now?
    *sigh*

    You might be interested in this article, here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=462091&in_page_id=1770

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
    See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Zoot Katz said:
    Claire Petersky said:

    "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My baby brother, age 12, wants a new bike.

    Ach, this is really hard. My 12 year old wants to replace her bike, too.
    She's completely outgrown her kiddie one. At 5'4", she may still have some
    growing yet, and I hate to sink $$ into a bike that we'd have to replace in
    a couple of years.

    What we're doing for now is stalling; I want to find out really what kind of
    riding she wants to do for the next few years. Probably some sort of hybrid
    would suit her best.

    Too bad Target doesn't stock the 24" Denali road bike in their stores
    so you could go kick the tires.

    For $150, it should last two years.
    http://www.amazon.com/GMC-Denali-Girls-24-Inch-Road/dp/B000GU2UAC

    With a few upgrades, it might make a nice machine for a small adult.

    Upgrades shmupgrades. I'd ride that right now. There's a boy version
    too, which I would recommend for all children aside from the most
    stubborn girls.

    In a similar situation with a young girl, the father and I built a 20"
    cyclocross bike from the starting point of a 20" MTB with a boingy fork.
    This photoset details the process exquisitely:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ttcopley/sets/72157594551105230/

    For most kids, less obsessed with having a road bike just like their
    hero Mandy Poitras, I'd suggest the simplicity and cheapness of a
    flat-bar setup. The usual source for rigid 20" and 24" forks is the BMX
    ranks; I'd just recommend a nice 24" Redline cruiser frame as the
    starting point straight up, except that 24" MTBs are usually cheaper.

    For lots of other kids, BMX things offer a great all-round experience. I
    also built up a BMX with a 7-speed MTB drivetrain, which was pretty fun,
    and would have been even better if it fit me.

    But 5'4"? She should be able to ride a smaller MTB no problem. If so,
    the solution is to round up the smallest old sloping-top-tube
    rigid-forked MTB you can find. It is garage sale season in your nation's
    capital, no?

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  11. Ryan Cousineau said:
    Quoted message said:


    For $150, it should last two years.
    http://www.amazon.com/GMC-Denali-Girls-24-Inch-Road/dp/B000GU2UAC

    With a few upgrades, it might make a nice machine for a small adult.

    Upgrades shmupgrades. I'd ride that right now. There's a boy version
    too, which I would recommend for all children aside from the most
    stubborn girls.

    It is pretty neat looking. I might see if it's available locally, and
    whether the boy digs it.

    Quoted message said:


    In a similar situation with a young girl, the father and I built a 20"
    cyclocross bike from the starting point of a 20" MTB with a boingy fork.
    This photoset details the process exquisitely:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ttcopley/sets/72157594551105230/


    I may be slain by a surfeit of cuteness. Also coolness. You guys are
    awesome.

    I think maybe even The Fab One would have been pleased.

    Quoted message said:

    For most kids, less obsessed with having a road bike just like their
    hero Mandy Poitras, I'd suggest the simplicity and cheapness of a
    flat-bar setup. The usual source for rigid 20" and 24" forks is the BMX
    ranks; I'd just recommend a nice 24" Redline cruiser frame as the
    starting point straight up, except that 24" MTBs are usually cheaper.

    build-from-frame might not really be an option here, given the budget. 24"
    BMX would be perfect--but I haven't seen one of those around here. 20"
    BMX would also be nice--but I worry that it'll be too small to ride
    "normally".

    --
    Luigi de Guzman
    http://ouij.livejournal.com

  12. Claire Petersky said:

    You might be interested in this article, here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=462091&in_page_id=1770


    I read that last week and felt really quite sad.

    I wonder, though: what is it about us these days that makes risk so
    unacceptable? My parents and grandparents lived in bigger, nastier,
    scarier worlds. My grandfather was the only survivor of ten children--all
    his other siblings perished in a typhoid epidemic, which eventually drove
    his mother (my great-grandmother) insane. My father grew up in a rough
    neighborhood in postwar Manila, running around and playing in the street.

    By almost any measure, life for their generations was much more nasty,
    brutish, and short than it is for mine. My brothers and I are safer than
    they ever were--and yet they live in almost constant fear. Why?

    --
    Luigi de Guzman
    http://ouij.livejournal.com

  13. Luigi de Guzman said:
    Claire Petersky said:

    You might be interested in this article, here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=462091&in_page_id=1770


    I read that last week and felt really quite sad.

    I wonder, though: what is it about us these days that makes risk so
    unacceptable?

    It is relative risk. People will focus on reducing the greater risk. When
    the risk of dying at a young age from illness or whatnot is so high, no one
    cares about the risk of dying on a bike, because that risk is comparatively
    low. When the risk of dying from illness is low, then the risk of dying on
    a bike become relatively greater. Bike helmets and other safety measures
    become a necessity.

    The more one worries about day to day survival, the less concerned one is
    about bike helmets, air bags, seat belts, car seats, sanitation,
    cholesterol, etc.

  14. "toypup" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:
    Claire Petersky said:

    You might be interested in this article, here:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=462091&in_page_id=1770

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:



    I read that last week and felt really quite sad.

    I wonder, though: what is it about us these days that makes risk so
    unacceptable?

    It is relative risk. People will focus on reducing the greater risk.


    When

    Quoted message said:

    the risk of dying at a young age from illness or whatnot is so high, no


    one

    Quoted message said:

    cares about the risk of dying on a bike, because that risk is


    comparatively

    Quoted message said:

    low. When the risk of dying from illness is low, then the risk of dying


    on

    Quoted message said:

    a bike become relatively greater. Bike helmets and other safety measures
    become a necessity.

    The more one worries about day to day survival, the less concerned one is
    about bike helmets, air bags, seat belts, car seats, sanitation,
    cholesterol, etc.

    And I think part of it is advance guilt. You can't control your child dying
    in a typhoid epidemic. You can, however, prevent your child from riding a
    bicycle on streets with cars on them. Not letting your child take risks
    means that you're not taking the risk of something happening to your child
    that YOU feel responsible for (and that you'll be blamed for by everyone
    around you). It is no longer expected that many families will lose a child
    at some point.

    One thing we discussed at length in my pregnancy loss group was the "too
    precious" child-that it is very typical for families who have lost a baby to
    overdo it with their living child and to shelter that child too much, overdo
    it on material posessions, and in general treat the child like a hothouse
    flower, with similar results. I see much the same fear, though, in families
    who haven't had a loss of a child now because of the very slim possibility
    that their child will be taken from them.

  15. Donna Metler said:


    "toypup" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:

    On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:51:44 +0000, Claire Petersky wrote:

    > You might be interested in this article, here:
    >


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=462091&in_page_id=1770

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    I read that last week and felt really quite sad.

    I wonder, though: what is it about us these days that makes risk so
    unacceptable?

    It is relative risk. People will focus on reducing the greater risk. When
    the risk of dying at a young age from illness or whatnot is so high, no one
    cares about the risk of dying on a bike, because that risk is comparatively
    low. When the risk of dying from illness is low, then the risk of dying on
    a bike become relatively greater. Bike helmets and other safety measures
    become a necessity.

    The more one worries about day to day survival, the less concerned one is
    about bike helmets, air bags, seat belts, car seats, sanitation,
    cholesterol, etc.

    And I think part of it is advance guilt. You can't control your child dying
    in a typhoid epidemic. You can, however, prevent your child from riding a
    bicycle on streets with cars on them. Not letting your child take risks
    means that you're not taking the risk of something happening to your child
    that YOU feel responsible for (and that you'll be blamed for by everyone
    around you). It is no longer expected that many families will lose a child
    at some point.

    One thing we discussed at length in my pregnancy loss group was the "too
    precious" child-that it is very typical for families who have lost a baby to
    overdo it with their living child and to shelter that child too much, overdo
    it on material posessions, and in general treat the child like a hothouse
    flower, with similar results.

    This basically happened to my mom - her brother and only sibling died
    of some disease (this would have been about 1915) and her mother was
    extremely protective of her after that. I have the letters that my
    grandmother wrote to my mom when she went to college. My grandmother
    wrote almost every day, and almost every letter started with a
    complaint that she had not had a letter that day, or if she had, a
    complaint about how short the letter was.

    And my mom tried really hard to have more than two children because of
    the chance of one dying. After she had a child that died a few days
    after birth (a blue baby before they had the operation) and a serious
    miscarriage at about 6 months, her doctor told her to stop trying if
    she wanted to see her children that she had grow up.

    Quoted message said:

    I see much the same fear, though, in families
    who haven't had a loss of a child now because of the very slim possibility
    that their child will be taken from them.


    I think a lot of it can be laid at the feet of the news media who
    publicize all the things that happen to children - not just in the
    immediate area, but all over the country and sometimes all over the
    world - WITH PICTURES. Horrifying pictures - and not just still b&w
    photos which would have been in the newspaper, but color moving
    pictures.

    When I was with my (13-14 yo) grandson in Ireland, he was initially
    uncomfortable in going anywhere without me. Eventually he got so he
    would go out with other people on the tour, and then at the end, he
    was comfortable with going from the hotel (in Kensington) around the
    corner to Burger King in the morning.

    I did this deliberately because I think that children need to
    experience being on their own in small ways before they go off to
    college or work and have to be really on their own. I wanted him to
    practice independence and looking out for himself in various
    environments. And I suspected that he didn't do too much on his own
    at home. [which he confirmed]

    But my dh and my sister both told me that I had been a bad grandmother
    for allowing this because something might have happened to him and
    because it would worry his parents. Although my sister allowed and
    encouraged him to walk around Princeton by himself to go get a haircut
    or meet her at the camera store and she didn't seem to feel this was a
    problem.

    Nothing did happen of course, and neither of his parents have said
    anything to me. In the case of ds, I doubt if he would say anything
    (he after all did a trip with HIS grandmother at that age), and I
    haven't talked to my DIL.

  16. "Rosalie B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I think a lot of it can be laid at the feet of the news media who
    publicize all the things that happen to children - not just in the
    immediate area, but all over the country and sometimes all over the
    world - WITH PICTURES. Horrifying pictures - and not just still b&w
    photos which would have been in the newspaper, but color moving
    pictures.

    I agree with Rosalie, that the national news media does have a hand in this.
    But interestingly enough, as I started reading this thread after reading
    stories of two local students. The first was about a young lady who happens
    to be a member of my country club. As a freshman in high school she was
    involved in a terrible boating accident that left her with major head
    injuries and leg injuries, with one leg almost torn off by the propeller.
    The story was how this young lady went from being expected to never walk
    again to running, and playing sports again. And then while still working
    hard to graduate with her class both her parents were struck with cancer.
    And yet she was still able to hold the family together while keeping up her
    studies, and graduate with her class. She wouldn't have made the strides
    she did without the strong support of her mother, who refused to give up, or
    codle her daughter. And though her mom still worries about her daughter,
    she lets her go, because she wants her to grow up to be strong, just like
    her mother. It's an absolutely inspirational family.

    The second story was about a young man in my daughter's graduating class
    that died in a freak accident two days after his high school graduation. I
    only know the family a little, but all the stories point to how incredible
    this young man was: eagle scout, international choral singer with the high
    school, trumpet player in the band, outdoorsman. And the quote from his
    father in the paper that really hit home was that his son had an amazing
    life, and he was saddened he couldn't see the second act. How many of us
    can look at our 18 year old children and say they have had an amazing life?

    These stories focused on these children not because they were brought up
    safe in a scary world, but because they were brought up to take on life.

    I've tried to raise my children to be self sufficient. I let them bike or
    walk to school on their own starting in the fourth grade, biking with me
    before that. By junior high that means crossing a major street, for a
    distance of a little over a mile. They went to sleep away camp starting at
    age 8 for a week. By the end of high school my oldest was away from home
    pretty much all summer. They were allowed to walk to our little downtown
    area on their own when they were 11. I let my high school daughter take the
    train into San Francisco with friends to go warehouse shopping starting when
    she was 14. When she was 16, while looking at colleges with her father, he
    had heart problems, and she found her way back from Mass General to her
    hotel (three different subway lines) by herself at rush hour. She ordered
    room service, and calmly waited for him to come back. (While I panicked on
    the opposite coast...) By senior year she was comfortable enough go to San
    Francisco with two other girls to film homeless for what turned out to be an
    award winning documentary.

    On college tours I see many parents struggling. They've been sheltering
    their children for so long they aren't sure how to let go, or whether the
    kids will be able to live on their own. They ask if there are dorm
    chaperones? Are there curfews? How do they know their kids aren't leaving
    campus? And I wonder too, if this is the first time their children are
    really free to roam, to do whatever they want, how do they know to make the
    right choices?

    But this isn't new. I see the US, and how the country is willing to give up
    so much to try and be safe. Individual lives are just paralleling the
    country as a whole.

  17. Rosalie B. said:

    But my dh and my sister both told me that I had been a bad grandmother
    for allowing this because something might have happened to him and
    because it would worry his parents. Although my sister allowed and
    encouraged him to walk around Princeton by himself to go get a haircut
    or meet her at the camera store and she didn't seem to feel this was a
    problem.

    I think it is fine, if your dgs was your child, but he is not. I think you
    should respect the wishes of his parents, no matter how unreasonable you
    think they are, unless it is an immediate danger to his health. To not do
    so would mean risking future

  18. toypup said:
    Rosalie B. said:

    But my dh and my sister both told me that I had been a bad grandmother
    for allowing this because something might have happened to him and
    because it would worry his parents. Although my sister allowed and
    encouraged him to walk around Princeton by himself to go get a haircut
    or meet her at the camera store and she didn't seem to feel this was a
    problem.

    I think it is fine, if your dgs was your child, but he is not. I think you
    should respect the wishes of his parents, no matter how unreasonable you
    think they are, unless it is an immediate danger to his health. To not do
    so would mean risking future

    Well the parents themselves never said anything of the sort. It was
    his great aunt and his grandfather who expressed concern. So I don't
    know if the parents were worried or concerned. I tend to think not.

    I was sending them daily reports of just about everything we did
    (initially just to my son, but I reluctantly* added my DIL when she
    requested it), and also posting photos for them to see. So they could
    have written and expressed concern, and they did not. My son did
    comment on some of the photos (which were on MySpace restricted
    viewing only for friends, and my only friends were my son, and
    granddaughter and the grandson who was with me), but the comments were
    not critical.

    And while the dgs himself told other people that he wasn't allowed to
    walk very far in his neighborhood, I know his sister was out playing
    in the rain filled ditches along the side of the road and over at
    other people's houses in the same way that my children did. My
    children had to ride their bikes along a public highway with no
    shoulders to get to their friend's houses to play. Of course it was a
    comparatively deserted highway with about one car every half hour and
    I knew that my kids could ride their bikes safely and wouldn't be
    larking around.

    *There's a certain amount of unhappiness on my part with my DIL
    because I don't think she's been a very good wife to my son, but I
    don't want to go into that here. I was a little bit afraid that she
    wouldn't let my grandson go with me in order to make my ds unhappy,
    but she's apparently found other ways to do that.

  19. Thanks for the leads, guys.

    Went to my local sporting emporium. I was thoroughly dissatisfied by the
    24" bikes on offer there: pretend freeride/downhill bikes with boinger
    forks and really awkward looking angles.

    The shock of the day was when I took a close look at some of the BMX
    offerings. They wanted $189 for bikes with COTTERED CRANKS?!

    Here's a photo from my phone cam:

    http://ouij.livejournal.com/230210.html

    I didn't even know they were selling cottered cranks anymore. I saw some
    one-piece/Ashtabula cranks there, but I left stupefied as to why I should
    be induced to part with my hard-earned cash for a bike with cottered
    cranks.

    Grrr.

    -Luigi

    --
    Luigi de Guzman
    http://ouij.livejournal.com

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Luigi de Guzman said:

    Thanks for the leads, guys.

    Went to my local sporting emporium. I was thoroughly dissatisfied by the
    24" bikes on offer there: pretend freeride/downhill bikes with boinger
    forks and really awkward looking angles.

    The shock of the day was when I took a close look at some of the BMX
    offerings. They wanted $189 for bikes with COTTERED CRANKS?!

    Here's a photo from my phone cam:

    http://ouij.livejournal.com/230210.html

    I didn't even know they were selling cottered cranks anymore. I saw some
    one-piece/Ashtabula cranks there, but I left stupefied as to why I should
    be induced to part with my hard-earned cash for a bike with cottered
    cranks.

    Ouij, ya big dummy: I'm 90% sure that's a pinch-bolt crank, aka a "three
    piece" crank (to distinguish it from an Ashtabula "one-piece"
    crank/spindle setup). That means it is an especially nice
    department-store BMX, emulating the setup found on very serious BMX
    freestyle and racing bikes.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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