Biker Misbehavior

Bill Sornson said:

Mike Vandeman said:

You conveniently "forgot" about the "NO BIKES" signs.

Nah, they're more fun to kick and break.

Bill "and then use to beat innocent passers-by" S.

personally, it's all the "PED X-ING" signs that keep getting in my way...

annoying!

bri

Mike Vandeman said:

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:32:11 +1000, Ken in KC
<[email hidden]> wrote:

..
..B i l l S o r n s o n Wrote:
..>
..> PS: Those stop signs on the trails are really getting to be a pain. I
..> say
..> let's yank 'em out!
..
..Mountain bikers are law breakers who pull stop signs out from the
..singletrack trails.

You conveniently "forgot" about the "NO BIKES" signs.
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I am working on creating 400' of wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. I need mental help? (I wasted the previous 8
years making no difference in auto dependence and road construction.)

Well, we already heard that one you repeatin piece of [censored].

quote='bri719'Mr_Kingkillaha said:

MIKE! You idiot! What is the freaking point of this? You are "fighting
auto dependence", yet you want bikers to sell thier bikes for an SUV
instead? I am sorry but this is the stupidest thing you have posted.
You just earned a Ph.D in moronology.

the guy doesn't really care about the environment in a complete sense,
that is obvious, and continues to lie about it whenever possible. it's
all about agenda and self-promotion first and foremost.

bri
[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is very obvious that the only thing he cares about is hiking, and disturbing animals while he does it. As long as no one else is allowed...

bri719 said:

Mr_Kingkillaha said:

MIKE! You idiot! What is the freaking point of this? You are
"fighting auto dependence", yet you want bikers to sell thier bikes
for an SUV instead? I am sorry but this is the stupidest thing you
have posted. You just earned a Ph.D in moronology.

the guy doesn't really care about the environment in a complete sense,
that is obvious, and continues to lie about it whenever possible.
it's all about agenda and self-promotion first and foremost.

bri

Thank you, I don't know how I would have managed to grasp Mikey's rants
without both of your insightful analysis. That whole "catch him in a
contradiction" thing or trying to figure out his motives a new approach.
Please keep it up.

Tom

Mr_Kingkillaha said:

Mike Vandeman said:

...It is CRAZY and suicidal to ride a bike on the street...

I am sorry but this is the stupidest thing you have posted.

Its not the stupidest thing he has posted; its just the stupidest thing
you've seen him post.

Still my favorite:

Quoted message said:

Mike Vandeman said:

Of course. What is your point? We have to kill to survive, but MUCH of
the killing we do is frivolous and unnecessary, such as killing of
frogs to dissect them. There are plenty of viable (excuse the pun)
alternatives, such as using roadkill.

alt.usenet.kooks like it too; they voted him Usenet Kook of the Month.
That's for ALL of Usenet.

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To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

quote='tcmedara'bri719 said:

Mr_Kingkillaha said:

MIKE! You idiot! What is the freaking point of this? You are
"fighting auto dependence", yet you want bikers to sell thier bikes
for an SUV instead? I am sorry but this is the stupidest thing you
have posted. You just earned a Ph.D in moronology.

the guy doesn't really care about the environment in a complete sense,
that is obvious, and continues to lie about it whenever possible.
it's all about agenda and self-promotion first and foremost.

bri

Thank you, I don't know how I would have managed to grasp Mikey's rants
without both of your insightful analysis. That whole "catch him in a
contradiction" thing or trying to figure out his motives a new approach.
Please keep it up.
Tom[/QUOTE]

No, thank you, jackass. Isn't the only reason to reply to Mike is for your own amusement? I did not offer you any insight, I told Mike he is dumb. But thanks for replying for Mike, that is very nice of you to be his [censored].

On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:35:32 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:

..On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:40:19 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>
..wrote:
..
..>We all know that mountain bikers would MUCH rather attack the messenger, than
..>address the real issues.
..>
..And you would much rather be the center of attention, than address any
..real issues.
..
..Repeating yourself over and over, and insulting everyone else, does
..not count as addressing anything.

I don't insult people. I just tell the truth -- something mountain bikers can't
stand.

..It's not really about the environment for you, is it?
..
..Happy trails,
..Gary (net.yogi.bear)
..------------------------------------------------
..at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence
..
..Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
..Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mikey-baby says:

Quoted message said:

I don't insult people.

I think mountain-bikers as a bloc should file a class-action suit against MV,
purely on the basis of having publicly declared that they are less than human.
He sure as heck insults mountain-bikers...

But then again, he is a LIAR. Duh!

Steve

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 05:13:34 GMT, bri719 <[email hidden]> wrote:

..Mr_Kingkillaha wrote:
..
..>
..>MIKE! You idiot! What is the freaking point of this? You are "fighting
..>auto dependence", yet you want bikers to sell thier bikes for an SUV
..>instead?

I didn't say that, liar. Learn to read.

I am sorry but this is the stupidest thing you have posted.
..>You just earned a Ph.D in moronology.
..>
..>
..
..the guy doesn't really care about the environment in a complete sense,
..that is obvious, and continues to lie about it whenever possible. it's
..all about agenda and self-promotion first and foremost.
..
..bri

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On 8 Oct 2004 02:41:18 GMT, BB <[email hidden]> wrote:

..On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:59:02 +1000, Mr_Kingkillaha wrote:
..> Mike Vandeman Wrote:
..>> ...It is CRAZY and suicidal to ride a bike on the street...
..>
..> I am sorry but this is the stupidest thing you have posted.
..
..Its not the stupidest thing he has posted; its just the stupidest thing
..you've seen him post.

No, I didn't say it, liar (nothing new for you).

..Still my favorite:
..
..> Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> > Of course. What is your point? We have to kill to survive, but MUCH of
..> > the killing we do is frivolous and unnecessary, such as killing of
..> > frogs to dissect them. There are plenty of viable (excuse the pun)
..> > alternatives, such as using roadkill.
..
..alt.usenet.kooks like it too; they voted him Usenet Kook of the Month.
..That's for ALL of Usenet.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:35:02 +0100, Can O' Ale <[email hidden]> wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..
..a lot, but I felt interested in replying to:
..
..> • Many bikers do not watch where they are going. I
..> have been nearly hit while walking on a paved path, by
..> a biker who was looking at the ground in front of his
..> wheel. I had to jump away, he never saw me!
..
..I go on the pavement, it's a reality for me because the roads are just
..crazily dangerous at times. I slow to a crawl or get off if a pedestrian
..approaches though. I've had pedestrians come at me for just pushing a
..bike along the pavement - funny how a lot of them wouldn't think of
..complaining if it was a car flying towards them. Brainwashed. I've also
..been the pedestrian almost hit by bikes so I can actually understand
..their concern.

If that were true, you wouldn't be a mountain biker, riding trails too narrow
for two bikers to pass each other.

..> • Bikers never stop at stop signs or stop lights if it
..> is clear.
..
..Don't see why I should sit behind lazy drivers at lights, breathing in
..their carcinogenic planet-wrecking fumes. I possibly transgress the law
..here, but to no-one else's danger. Would never cross the path of
..traffic. Plus, i've seen cars do it.
..
..> • Bikers driving at night without lights
..
..I agree this is crazy. If they get hit, it is entirely their own fault
..(and this is how the law, insurance etc will see it too).
..
..> What happens if you give a biker a little honk while
..> passing or to tell them you are behind them? The
..> chances are you will get yelling and a finger gesture
..> (at the least)
..
..Depends on how aware the biker is of a vehicle behind them. I've been
..honked at, and you don't know whether to throw yourself onto the verge,
..thinking it may be a car about to hit you. Damn right I'll give them a
..gesture. Horns are LOUD when you're on a bike, and they wreck your
..concentration. Car drivers should only honk a)in an emergency, b)if they
..know the biker is already aware of their presence.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

..Mr_Kingkillaha wrote:
..
..>
..>MIKE! You idiot! What is the freaking point of this? You are "fighting
..>auto dependence", yet you want bikers to sell thier bikes for an SUV
..>instead?

....I didn't say that, liar. Learn to read.

You implied it. People who quit biking will most likely start driving cars instead of walking. The SUV is the most likely type of car, based on they are the current "hot" cars, loved by hollywood types. Learn to use logic.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mike Vandeman said:

Of course. What is your point? We have to kill to survive, but MUCH of
the killing we do is frivolous and unnecessary, such as killing of
frogs to dissect them. There are plenty of viable (excuse the pun)
alternatives, such as using roadkill.

Visions of hordes of biology undergrads loitering at roadsides, trying to
coerce frogs into straying across the road is just too funny for words.

I suppose most would be ironed flat under the wheels; you'd only really be
able to dissect ones that were glancingly hit mid-hop.

Andy Chequer

On 11 Oct 2004 21:06:12 GMT, [email hidden] (Stephen Baker) wrote:

..Mikey-baby says:
..
..>I don't insult people.
..
..I think mountain-bikers as a bloc should file a class-action suit against MV,
..purely on the basis of having publicly declared that they are less than human.

Quote me. I don't believe you.

..He sure as heck insults mountain-bikers...
..
..But then again, he is a LIAR. Duh!
..
..Steve

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:35:56 +1000, Mr_Kingkillaha
<[email hidden]> wrote:

..
...Mr_Kingkillaha wrote:
...
...>
...>MIKE! You idiot! What is the freaking point of this? You are
.."fighting
...>auto dependence", yet you want bikers to sell thier bikes for an
..SUV
...>instead?
..
.....I didn't say that, liar. Learn to read.
..
..You implied it. People who quit biking will most likely start driving
..cars instead of walking. The SUV is the most likely type of car, based
..on they are the current "hot" cars, loved by hollywood types. Learn to
..use logic.

Learn to read.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[quote="Mike Vandeman"]On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:35:56 +1000, Mr_Kingkillaha
<[email hidden]> wrote:
...Mr_Kingkillaha wrote:
...
...>
...>MIKE! You idiot! What is the freaking point of this? You are
.."fighting
...>auto dependence", yet you want bikers to sell thier bikes for an
..SUV
...>instead?
.....I didn't say that, liar. Learn to read.
..You implied it. People who quit biking will most likely start driving
..cars instead of walking. The SUV is the most likely type of car, based
..on they are the current "hot" cars, loved by hollywood types. Learn to
..use logic.

Learn to read.


Thanks for that advice, care to elaborate?

"In Marin, there were two bikers were killed by drivers in the last few
years."

"you
have a choice between a head on with a car or hitting
a biker. What would you choose?"

" Insurance companies will eventually
charge more for people that mountain bike (like
smokers) or not cover biking accidents. (Who pays for
the injury to a pedestrian by a bike?) "

"because I am a defensive driver I did not assume the
biker would do the right thing. Anyone else would
have hit him."

Now can you see, Dumbass, how you have convinced me not to ride my bike anymore? I guess that I can read, and you are stupid. Thanks for trying though.

* Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:35:56 +1000, Mr_Kingkillaha
<[email hidden]> wrote:

.
..Mr_Kingkillaha wrote:
..
..>
..>MIKE! You idiot! What is the freaking point of this? You are
."fighting
..>auto dependence", yet you want bikers to sell thier bikes for an
.SUV
..>instead?
.
....I didn't say that, liar. Learn to read.
.
.You implied it. People who quit biking will most likely start driving
.cars instead of walking. The SUV is the most likely type of car, based
.on they are the current "hot" cars, loved by hollywood types. Learn to
.use logic.

Learn to read.

And you learn how to post properly.

Jason

I ride bike on the mountains and streets. Have friend who break his leag trying to avoid collision with car. I am follow the rules and rules in Serbia are the bikes cars and trucks have same regulations. Car drivers ignore regulations many times when they passing buy bikers, on the cross roads ...

Children on the bikes, wakers are big problem when they use bike path. I am thinking to put air horn (120 Db) because of them.

Serbian_SPIRIT said:

Children on the bikes, wakers are big problem when they use bike path.
I am thinking to put air horn (120 Db) because of them.

lol, I could use one of those on our beach paths too...

:-D

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I have cycled in Spain last June, and have seen cyclers and drivers who respect each other. Do they keep the law? Not really. They simply practice tolerance and common sense, but mostly respect and responsibility.
There are plenty of reckless drivers and cyclers. The only solution is education, and lots of it.