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  1. I have just got around to trying out the L30 `disgo' camera I bought
    from Curry's a few weeks ago. I jury-rigged it (firmly!) alongside
    the old front camera (also firmly attached!) and went for a quick
    trundle at 5ish this evening.

    The results:
    * The disgo's field of view is about 40-50% larger.
    * The audio track is nice and clear.
    * The resolution is much, much poorer (320x240).
    * It doesn't do nearly so well in poor light.
    * It's extremely light - around 75g not including the 2xAA batteries.
    * It's obviously much less rugged, not waterproof at all, etc.
    * It looks very much like a camera - much more so than the ATC2K
    which miscreants of various kinds seem to think is some kind of
    weird light.
    (These latter two problems can be solved with gaffer tape I think.)

    You can see some stills from the videos here:
    http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/disgo-test/
    disgo-scaled.png is scaled up so that the features are the same size,
    roughly, and allows comparison of the field of view. (It doesn't
    match up exactly because the disgo was mounted at a slight angle.)

    I've found taking the cameras on and off the bike, carting them about,
    etc., to be irritating and I'm willing to risk the odd theft of an SD
    card. So I've definitely decided to fix the cameras permanently to
    the bike and power them from my existing battery (6V sealed lead-acid)
    which I have for my main lights. I'll just use dissipative voltage
    regulators to get rid of the excess; 6V->3V converters are expensive
    and only about 65% efficient anyway. Operating current seems to be
    about 300mA per camera.

    It's clear I think that the ATC2K makes a much better rear camera.
    Field of view isn't so important, one good audio track would be
    sufficient, and good shots of tailgaters' number plates seem valuable.

    The question is, what should I do on the front ?

    I've found that the ATC2K on the front seems to have a tendency for
    interesting things to happen just out of shot - 2007-07-02 `T809DLW
    pulls out without looking'[1] is an excellent example.

    OTOH the disgo has some serious downsides. So I wonder whether I
    should keep both with the ATC2K pointing somewhat to the left but
    still including straight ahead, and the disgo somewhat to the right,
    with a small overlap. Extra field of view seems more relevant on the
    right as I seem to get more trouble from the right than the left - in
    particular, close passing, and people from side streets on the right
    turning out into my path because they feel I should be in the gutter.

    Does anyone else have any constructive suggestions ? I'll take
    `make sure that whatever you do is firmly attached' as read :-P.

    [1] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/ or
    http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/events/2007-07-02-Giveway/

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  2. "Ian Jackson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have just got around to trying out the L30 `disgo' camera I bought
    from Curry's a few weeks ago. I jury-rigged it (firmly!) alongside
    the old front camera (also firmly attached!) and went for a quick
    trundle at 5ish this evening.

    The results:
    * The disgo's field of view is about 40-50% larger.
    * The audio track is nice and clear.
    * The resolution is much, much poorer (320x240).
    * It doesn't do nearly so well in poor light.
    * It's extremely light - around 75g not including the 2xAA batteries.
    * It's obviously much less rugged, not waterproof at all, etc.

    A) Will it bounce?

    B) How will it fare as it passes through the front spokes.

    --
    Brian
    "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

  3. In uk.rec.cycling Ian Jackson said:

    with a small overlap. Extra field of view seems more relevant on the
    right as I seem to get more trouble from the right than the left - in
    particular, close passing, and people from side streets on the right
    turning out into my path because they feel I should be in the gutter.

    Does anyone else have any constructive suggestions ? I'll take
    `make sure that whatever you do is firmly attached' as read :-P.

    Does the camera have a filter thread on it ? If so, you might be able
    to fit a wide angle converter lens. Pretty cheap on ebay if you don't
    want high quality.

    -adrian

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Adrian Godwin said:

    Does the camera have a filter thread on it ? If so, you might be able
    to fit a wide angle converter lens. Pretty cheap on ebay if you don't
    want high quality.

    No. It's all integrated lenses and no provision for enhancement.

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  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ian Jackson said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Adrian Godwin said:

    Does the camera have a filter thread on it ? If so, you might be able
    to fit a wide angle converter lens. Pretty cheap on ebay if you don't
    want high quality.

    No. It's all integrated lenses and no provision for enhancement.

    Might there be scope for supergluing a filter adapter on the front?
    (you can get N mm to M mm filter adapter rings, for most N and M that
    correspond to usual lens and filter sizes ...)

    -patrick.

  6. Ian Jackson said:


    Does anyone else have any constructive suggestions ? I'll take
    `make sure that whatever you do is firmly attached' as read :-P.


    Given this new camera seems quite cheap, have you considered having one as
    a wearable camera ? It might be quite useful if you have cause to have a
    conversation with someone about an incident as well.
    J

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Patrick Gosling said:

    Might there be scope for supergluing a filter adapter on the front?

    Doesn't such a thing need to be in extactly the right place, and
    depend very much on the optical properties of the camera behind ? The
    disgo's lens is only a few mm across and is a several mm inside a kind
    of conical depression, hidden behind what looks like a protective
    plastic bezel.

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  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    John Burnham said:

    Given this new camera seems quite cheap, have you considered having one as
    a wearable camera ? It might be quite useful if you have cause to have a
    conversation with someone about an incident as well.

    The audio on the new camera will do fine for that I think. I don't
    want to have anything on my head and it doesn't seem worthwhile having
    something elsewhere on me, particularly as then I lose the ability to
    conveniently power it from the bike's battery.

    --
    Ian Jackson personal email: <[email hidden]>
    These opinions are my own. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/
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  9. Ian Jackson said:

    The audio on the new camera will do fine for that I think. I don't
    want to have anything on my head

    But sometimes you are collecting evidence that drivers did
    things you couldn't foresee by good observation. So having
    the cyclist's eye view would be more convincing than a view
    a couple of feet above the road. Helmet cams are light
    enough for jockeys and American footballers to use, surely
    it's the best option here?

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Al Grant said:

    But sometimes you are collecting evidence that drivers did
    things you couldn't foresee by good observation.

    I don't think that's generally true. In fact I find that few of the
    idiotic things I capture on camera come as a surprise to me.

    Quoted message said:

    So having the cyclist's eye view would be more convincing than a
    view a couple of feet above the road. Helmet cams are light enough
    for jockeys and American footballers to use, surely it's the best
    option here?

    I'm not engaging in a sport, where I'm prepared to spend half an hour
    before and after with special equipment. I'm just getting from A to B
    and I dislike faff. If you feel a headcam would be worthwhile then
    please feel free to wear one yourself.

    --
    Ian Jackson personal email: <[email hidden]>
    These opinions are my own. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/
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  11. Ian Jackson said:

    I'm not engaging in a sport, where I'm prepared to spend half an hour
    before and after with special equipment. I'm just getting from A to B
    and I dislike faff. If you feel a headcam would be worthwhile then
    please feel free to wear one yourself.

    Hmm. I'm not sure that half an hour prep is necessary - I'm sure a quick
    conversion to a Petzl-alike headtorch would be easy to equip. But it's
    your call, of course. And you're definitely correct in it being too much
    effort if you wanted to run it from your bike's battery pack - plus having
    a head mounted device attached to your bike by a cable strikes me as
    potentially unsafe (although I'm sure some form of quick release device
    could be rigged).
    Anyway, good luck in putting together a new front mount for your camera. I
    hope you come up with something good.
    J

  12. In uk.rec.cycling Ian Jackson said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Patrick Gosling said:

    Might there be scope for supergluing a filter adapter on the front?

    Doesn't such a thing need to be in extactly the right place, and
    depend very much on the optical properties of the camera behind ?

    Don't think so, it just affects the field of view somewhat, doesn't
    seem to hurt the focus. I've got one you can try if you like, but
    you'll have to just hold it in place - I haven't got a suitable
    mounting ring.

    Quoted message said:

    The
    disgo's lens is only a few mm across and is a several mm inside a kind
    of conical depression, hidden behind what looks like a protective
    plastic bezel.

    That might be difficult, then. This one has a 37mm mount and seems
    to work better the closer it is to the lens. Still, it might prove
    a point.

    -adrian

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