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  1. Not ridden for years and had been toying with getting a new bike because
    I'd (foolishly it now appears) assumed that mine was too old to bother
    overhauling.

    It's a GT Karakoram, frame is kind of flame orange/yellow with black
    "crackly" sort of paintwork. It's got a Deore XT rear mech & combined
    break/shift levers.

    I'm hoping that I can give it a _really_ bloody good clean and get it
    serviced and have something useable, however -

    As most companies change colour schemes every year can anyone take even a
    wild guess as to how old the bike is? I've had it for around 7-8 years and
    when I tried to sell it six or so years back (I've found the usenet post) I
    had concluded around 1990?

    Secondly, and I appreciate this is a piece of string question, I'm hoping
    that everything works but will need a bloody good servicing - what might I
    expect to pay for this.. just a ballpark assuming no major parts are
    needed?

    Went out today looking at some sub-£300 or so bikes and I think it's made
    me realise that I'd overlooked what's been under my nose (or a tarpaulin).

    TIA,
    Paul
    --
    paul <at> spamcop.net

  2. Paul Hutchings said:

    Secondly, and I appreciate this is a piece of string question, I'm hoping
    that everything works but will need a bloody good servicing - what might I
    expect to pay for this.. just a ballpark assuming no major parts are
    needed?

    If it hasn't actually been used then not very much will actually
    /degrade/ with time as long as it hasn't corroded/rusted much. First
    step is give it a very thorough cleaning, pump up the tyres, lube the
    transmission (you may want to cut to the chase and get a new chain
    straight away if the existing one is a vivid shade of orange and doesn't
    bend much) and see if it works okay.
    If it does seem to be creaking a bit then
    http://www.edinburgh-bicycle.co.uk/resource/repairs.html gives you some
    possible prices on a service.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  3. "Paul Hutchings" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As most companies change colour schemes every year can anyone take even a
    wild guess as to how old the bike is? I've had it for around 7-8 years


    and

    Quoted message said:

    when I tried to sell it six or so years back (I've found the usenet post)


    I

    Quoted message said:

    had concluded around 1990?

    If this is the case, you will find that it's fitted with 7 speed / canti (as
    opposed to V brake) / larger chainrings & sprockets than current models,
    etc. There's nothing wrong with any of these, except that it's hard to find
    spares, and compatibility is limited.

    Quoted message said:

    Secondly, and I appreciate this is a piece of string question, I'm hoping
    that everything works but will need a bloody good servicing - what might I
    expect to pay for this.. just a ballpark assuming no major parts are
    needed?

    Maybe £100 for a thorough strip-down and regrease. If you have the tools (or
    can acquire them), why not have a go yourself? Worth a try!

    If the bike needs *lots* of major parts, I'd reconsider the plan,
    personally. If not - go for it! Just be aware of the problems I've described
    above.

  4. Paul Hutchings said:

    Secondly, and I appreciate this is a piece of string question, I'm hoping
    that everything works but will need a bloody good servicing - what might I
    expect to pay for this.. just a ballpark assuming no major parts are
    needed?

    If it's not been used much, just clean it, replace the tyres and tubes
    (the only perishable bits), re-lube it and enjoy it!

    --
    Mark.

  5. "Simon D" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe œ100 for a thorough strip-down and regrease. If you have the
    tools (or can acquire them), why not have a go yourself? Worth a try!

    Have to admit I'd not really considered it.. I guess thinking about it
    there can't be that much to it.. any ideas of a "how to service your bike"
    guid on the internet :-)

    regards,
    Paul
    --
    paul <at> spamcop.net

  6. Mark Tranchant said:
    Paul Hutchings said:

    Secondly, and I appreciate this is a piece of string question, I'm hoping
    that everything works but will need a bloody good servicing - what might I
    expect to pay for this.. just a ballpark assuming no major parts are
    needed?

    If it's not been used much, just clean it, replace the tyres and tubes
    (the only perishable bits), re-lube it and enjoy it!

    I'd agree with this. I've just done this to a bike that's a lot older than
    yours and has been untouched behind the garage for the last 6 years. It
    works fine. It doesn't look particularly nice (rust on the steel wheels
    etc.) but I feel much happier leaving it outside the local shops than I
    would my racing bike.
    --
    Michael MacClancy
    Random putdown - "He has never been known to use a word that might send a
    reader to the dictionary." - William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway)
    www.macclancy.demon.co.uk
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  7. "Simon D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Paul Hutchings" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As most companies change colour schemes every year can anyone take even a
    wild guess as to how old the bike is? I've had it for around 7-8 years


    and

    Quoted message said:

    when I tried to sell it six or so years back (I've found the usenet post)


    I

    Quoted message said:

    had concluded around 1990?

    If this is the case, you will find that it's fitted with 7 speed / canti (as
    opposed to V brake) / larger chainrings & sprockets than current models,
    etc. There's nothing wrong with any of these, except that it's hard to find
    spares, and compatibility is limited.

    Come on! Wiggle lists all this stuff and I've never heard of an LBS that
    couldn't get Shimano bits. Cantis are still being made by people like Tektro
    and Shimano.

    You can still buy 5-speed freewheels y'know.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Secondly, and I appreciate this is a piece of string question, I'm hoping
    that everything works but will need a bloody good servicing - what might I
    expect to pay for this.. just a ballpark assuming no major parts are
    needed?

    Maybe £100 for a thorough strip-down and regrease. If you have the tools (or
    can acquire them), why not have a go yourself? Worth a try!

    People like Tacx make starter toolkits for people who have nothing. They aren't
    bad quality and cost about 50 quid.

    Quoted message said:

    If the bike needs *lots* of major parts, I'd reconsider the plan,
    personally. If not - go for it! Just be aware of the problems I've described
    above.

    The most crucial part is a few drops of oil. After that you will have a better
    idea of whether it could be made serviceable or not.

    Good luck!
    --
    Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

  8. "Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The most crucial part is a few drops of oil. After that you will have
    a better idea of whether it could be made serviceable or not.

    Don't get me wrong it's not a rusty old nail, I'm fairly sure that after
    some thorough cleaning and lubing it'll work, it's just whether it will be
    possible to get it "up to scratch" economically..

    there's a difference between the thing working and working well IYKWIM :-)

    Paul
    --
    paul <at> spamcop.net

  9. "Paul Hutchings" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The most crucial part is a few drops of oil. After that you will have
    a better idea of whether it could be made serviceable or not.

    Don't get me wrong it's not a rusty old nail, I'm fairly sure that after
    some thorough cleaning and lubing it'll work, it's just whether it will be
    possible to get it "up to scratch" economically..

    OK, but after some years of non-use you will need grease and oil to know if it's
    workable.

    The economic criterion will be satisfied if you stick to getting it working as
    is (you implied befroe that nothing is broken).

    If you get into the "must upgrade to 9-speed etc" thing, then forget it, it's
    way cheaper to get a new bike.

    Quoted message said:

    there's a difference between the thing working and working well IYKWIM :-)

    Oooooooh yes. For bikes the latter involves:

    - lots of cleaning
    - slathers of grease
    - copious drops of oil
    - a delicate touch
    - a good ear
    - a heavy hand
    - attention to detail
    - brains and skill

    The last ones tell you when to apply which of the previous elements of the list
    :-)
    --
    Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen, Mallet Wielder

  10. Mark South said:

    Oooooooh yes. For bikes the latter involves:

    Quoted message said:

    - lots of cleaning
    - slathers of grease
    - copious drops of oil
    - a delicate touch
    - a good ear
    - a heavy hand
    - attention to detail
    - brains and skill

    It also involves toothbrushes. And in my case, a sudden need to clean the
    shower/bathroom as for some reason there seems to be black stuff all over
    the place...

    Roos

  11. "Roos Eisma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark South said:

    Oooooooh yes. For bikes the latter involves:

    Quoted message said:

    - lots of cleaning
    - slathers of grease
    - copious drops of oil
    - a delicate touch
    - a good ear
    - a heavy hand
    - attention to detail
    - brains and skill

    It also involves toothbrushes. And in my case, a sudden need to clean the
    shower/bathroom as for some reason there seems to be black stuff all over
    the place...

    At least that way you don't have to go far to get clean yourself.

    Hmm, I can just see it now:

    Naked Bicycle Maintenance by Roos Eisma, available at Amazon.com....
    --
    Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen, Fully Clothed

  12. "Paul Hutchings" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    any ideas of a "how to service your bike"
    guid on the internet :-)

    This looks reasonable:

    http://members.aol.com/biketune/repairindex.htm

  13. Paul Hutchings said:

    "Simon D" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe œ100 for a thorough strip-down and regrease. If you have the
    tools (or can acquire them), why not have a go yourself? Worth a try!

    Have to admit I'd not really considered it.. I guess thinking about it
    there can't be that much to it.. any ideas of a "how to service your bike"
    guid on the internet :-)

    regards,
    Paul


    I would start in the local library and borrow as many "Bike Servicing
    For Total Idiots" as you can lay your hands on. Some books have clearer
    explanations and others have better pictures. No one book seems to do
    everything well. (Doubtless I will be corrected here). If you can find a
    single book which seems to have most of what you need, go out and buy it.

    Websites such as the legendary Sheldon Brown's site can then be used to
    fill in the gaps in your book.

    Hope this helps.

    Terry Ducmanton

  14. Paul Hutchings said:

    Not ridden for years and had been toying with getting a new bike because
    I'd (foolishly it now appears) assumed that mine was too old to bother
    overhauling.

    It's a GT Karakoram, frame is kind of flame orange/yellow with black
    "crackly" sort of paintwork. It's got a Deore XT rear mech & combined
    break/shift levers.

    I'm hoping that I can give it a _really_ bloody good clean and get it
    serviced and have something useable, however -

    As most companies change colour schemes every year can anyone take even a
    wild guess as to how old the bike is? I've had it for around 7-8 years and
    when I tried to sell it six or so years back (I've found the usenet post) I
    had concluded around 1990?

    Yes, early 1990s sounds about right. It's a good bike - you might as
    well clean it up and keep it.

  15. Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:40be0db9.0@entanet:

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Hutchings said:

    Not ridden for years and had been toying with getting a new bike
    because I'd (foolishly it now appears) assumed that mine was too old
    to bother overhauling.

    It's a GT Karakoram, frame is kind of flame orange/yellow with black
    "crackly" sort of paintwork. It's got a Deore XT rear mech &
    combined break/shift levers.

    I'm hoping that I can give it a _really_ bloody good clean and get it
    serviced and have something useable, however -

    As most companies change colour schemes every year can anyone take
    even a wild guess as to how old the bike is? I've had it for around
    7-8 years and when I tried to sell it six or so years back (I've
    found the usenet post) I had concluded around 1990?

    Yes, early 1990s sounds about right. It's a good bike - you might as
    well clean it up and keep it.

    Yup.. having just taken a look at it I'm coming to the same conclusion..
    I'm fairly sure I'll have to spend a fair bit to get better/lighter so long
    as it's just in need of a service.

    I've just given it stage one of a bloody good clean and it seems alright..
    no "real" rust, just the red stuff that comes off with a bit of chrome
    cleaner.. bit of WD40 and the brakes and gear changers seem alright.

    New chain needed I'm sure, and the tyres/tubes definately need replacing,
    the rims seem alright though I think I'm going to have fun getting the
    spokes clean :-)

    regards
    Paul
    --
    paul <at> spamcop.net

  16. Paul Hutchings:

    Quoted message said:

    Don't get me wrong it's not a rusty old nail, I'm fairly sure that after
    some thorough cleaning and lubing it'll work, it's just whether it will be
    possible to get it "up to scratch" economically..

    I've been restoring/upgrading my old bike (which is significantly older than
    yours). I've spent the best part of £200 on it. I could probably have got a
    pretty decent whole bike from ebay or out of the small ads for that much
    money. But the way my mind works means that spending small amounts of money
    at a time means it seems like less than spending one big lump sum.

    Hmm.

    I'm very happy with my bike now, though. I've yet to try out the new wheels
    since I'm still waiting for the cassette to come in the post but I already
    know they are going to make a huge difference - as I shall report in due
    course...

    d.

  17. in message <[email hidden]>, Paul

    Hutchings (') said:

    Not ridden for years and had been toying with getting a new bike
    because I'd (foolishly it now appears) assumed that mine was too old
    to bother overhauling.

    It's a GT Karakoram, frame is kind of flame orange/yellow with black
    "crackly" sort of paintwork. It's got a Deore XT rear mech & combined
    break/shift levers.

    I'm hoping that I can give it a _really_ bloody good clean and get it
    serviced and have something useable, however -

    As most companies change colour schemes every year can anyone take
    even a
    wild guess as to how old the bike is? I've had it for around 7-8
    years and when I tried to sell it six or so years back (I've found the
    usenet post) I had concluded around 1990?

    Around 1988-90 Shimano made gear shifters which had two grey buttons,
    one larger one smaller, for the thumb - so you pushed with the thumb to
    go up a gear and pushed with the thumb to go down. These were the first
    generation rapidfire. After about 1990 you got the second generation -
    push with your thumb to go up, and click with your pointer finger to go
    down. Much before 1988 and you just have thumb levers.

    Quoted message said:

    Secondly, and I appreciate this is a piece of string question, I'm
    hoping that everything works but will need a bloody good servicing -
    what might I expect to pay for this.. just a ballpark assuming no
    major parts are needed?

    Doing it yourself you're almost certainly going to have to replace the
    chain and cables; replacing the chain it's usually a good thing to
    replace the cassette and, if the chain is really worn, the chainrings
    as well because a worn cassette or chainrings will greatly accelerate
    the wear on the chain. You'll probably also have to replace brake
    blocks as well. You should not (unless the bike has had a great deal of
    abuse) need to replace the mechs, but you might need to replace jockey
    wheels.

    So: about £15-20 for a new 7 speed cassette;
    about £10-12 for a new chain;
    about £10-15 for new jockey wheels (if needed);
    about £15 for new cables;
    about £10 for brake blocks (if needed).

    Get someone's opinion on your chainwheels before you replace them
    because depending on the spoke pattern on your crank that could get
    complex and more expensive (like £50).

    Strip, inspect, replace any dodgy balls[1], grease and reassemble your
    wheel bearings. If your pedals are serviceable strip, inspect, grease
    and reassemble them. If your bottom bracket feels OK it may be best to
    leave it alone unless you're confident, although if it isn't a
    cartridge type it isn't that difficult to strip and would probably
    benefit. Same with the steering head (headset) bearing.

    Replace all cables anyway just on principle.

    If you do it yourself it's going to cost under £100 - probably well
    under - and one Sunday afternoon. Obviously if you spot anything nasty
    like really pitted bearing cups then that may mean another trip to the
    bike shop and another Sunday afternoon, but if the bike's just been
    lying in a shed that isn't very likely. If you pay someone else to do
    it you're going to be charged about two hours workshop time in addition
    to the parts.

    [1] I used to just replace balls on principle on the basis that they're
    very cheap, but it's rarely really necessary

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

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    ;; patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a
    ;; four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that
    ;; can't stand one bit of competition -- anonymous

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Simon Brooke said:

    So: about £15-20 for a new 7 speed cassette;
    about £10-12 for a new chain;
    about £10-15 for new jockey wheels (if needed);
    about £15 for new cables;
    about £10 for brake blocks (if needed).

    You must use a very expensive bike shop!

    --
    A T (Sandy) Morton
    on the Bicycle Island
    In the Global Village
    http://www.millport.net

  19. Paul Hutchings <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm hoping that I can give it a _really_ bloody good clean and get it
    serviced and have something useable, however -

    Well.. had the day off so I went to three places in/around derby - Mercian,
    Samways and Leisure Lakes.

    All three had a look on the spot to see what would need doing to my
    Karakoram -

    rear mech is knackered and would need replacing @ around £30 upwards

    rear rim is out of true/bashed etc. and should be replaced - mercian only
    hand build wheels but the chap said I should be able to pick up a ready-
    built wheel for around £35 or so.

    tyres are cracked and need replacing, so £30 or so for tyres and tubes

    cables seem to be in good condition

    brakes seem to be ok

    a general service is around £30 so we're talking around £125 or so plus
    anything else that comes up.

    I also looked at new bikes whilst I was there.. there's a part of me that
    thinks it's quite a lot to spend on a 12 year old bike that cost me next to
    nothing when I brought it.. plus they all say they have long workshop
    waiting times for servicing..

    on the other hand a new bike costs more but it's new, it's guaranteed, it's
    modern, safe etc..

    I have to say I do like the hardrock sport and also the marin "bolinas
    ridge", and after a few laps of the block at leisure lakes I'm more and
    more tempted by the new option (quite scary just how good v-brakes are!)

    so at the moment I have a lot of catalogues and confusion reigns :-0

    regards
    Paul
    --
    paul <at> spamcop.net

  20. Paul Hutchings said:

    Paul Hutchings <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm hoping that I can give it a _really_ bloody good clean and get it
    serviced and have something useable, however -

    Well.. had the day off so I went to three places in/around derby - Mercian,
    Samways and Leisure Lakes.

    All three had a look on the spot to see what would need doing to my
    Karakoram -

    rear mech is knackered and would need replacing @ around £30 upwards

    rear rim is out of true/bashed etc. and should be replaced - mercian only
    hand build wheels but the chap said I should be able to pick up a ready-
    built wheel for around £35 or so.

    tyres are cracked and need replacing, so £30 or so for tyres and tubes

    cables seem to be in good condition

    brakes seem to be ok

    a general service is around £30 so we're talking around £125 or so plus
    anything else that comes up.

    I also looked at new bikes whilst I was there.. there's a part of me that
    thinks it's quite a lot to spend on a 12 year old bike that cost me next to
    nothing when I brought it.. plus they all say they have long workshop
    waiting times for servicing..

    on the other hand a new bike costs more but it's new, it's guaranteed, it's
    modern, safe etc..

    I have to say I do like the hardrock sport and also the marin "bolinas
    ridge", and after a few laps of the block at leisure lakes I'm more and
    more tempted by the new option (quite scary just how good v-brakes are!)

    so at the moment I have a lot of catalogues and confusion reigns :-0

    regards
    Paul

    My experience buying new bikes last year was that we had to wait a long
    time for one to be delivered (not a problem if it's in stock) and long
    workshop waiting times still applied when the bikes had to go in for their
    six week services.
    --
    Michael MacClancy
    Random putdown - "His mother should have thrown him away and kept the
    stork." - Mae West
    www.macclancy.demon.co.uk
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