bike re'cycling'

"Phil" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hey all.

The pile of useless worn out components after the last
overhaul of my bike got me to thinking about the waste
associated with cycling. Will the new

law

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affecting motorists and the deposal of old cars affect
cyclists?

What new law?

C.Q.C.

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"Phil" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hey all.

The pile of useless worn out components after the last
overhaul of my

bike

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Quoted message said:

got me to thinking about the waste associated with
cycling. Will the new

law

Quoted message said:

affecting motorists and the deposal of old cars affect
cyclists?

What new law?

C.Q.C.

Not sure it's coming in for a while (sorry, should have
said, it's a UK/EU law). But as far as i can make out, from
the little i've heard, the govt plans to charge big money
for car disposal, not just scrap charges but recycling
charges and the like, probably some tax on tires. not sure
of the ins and outs tho.

Old worn out parts are not totally worthless. quite the
opposite, they are a gold mine of screws and other little
pieces that get lost, stripped or broken on the new stuff.

Why do you think bike shops have boxes of old worn out
things in the back of their shop?

- -

"May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear
for the hills!"

Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

Chris'Z Corner geocities.comczcornerOpen ↗

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:46:24 -0400, [email hidden] (Chris

Zacho 'The Wheelman') said:

Old worn out parts are not totally worthless. quite the
opposite, they are a gold mine of screws and other little
pieces that get lost, stripped or broken on the new stuff.

Or, if you're me, they're the next free part to go on the
frankentourer project...
--
Rick Onanian

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Zacho 'The Wheelman') said:

Old worn out parts are not totally worthless. quite the
opposite, they are a gold mine of screws and other
little pieces that get lost, stripped or broken on the
new stuff.

True: but most bike shops in my part of the world do not
allow the sale or giving away of used parts or even pieces
off of used parts. They claim this is due to liability
issues passed down to them by the wholesalers and the
manufacturers.

Most of the local shops also strongly discourage customers
from installing their new store-bought parts themselves. If
you want to buy a derailleur or whatever, be prepared to be
peppered with questions regarding the use of the part, the
other parts on the bike, the age of the bike etc. In fact,
the parts pricing of our LBSs is high enough so that
installation is usually included - again protecting the
store and the rest of the supply chain.

Unfortunately for the capable hobbyist, the retail price
around here is about double that of mail-order, and about 10
times that of what a reasonable price should be for a used
but serviceable part. Ask a local store to install a used
part? Ha Ha.

Here is a transcript of a recent discussion with a LBS:

ME: I need a rear skewer for an old 10-speed.

N: here is one.

NA: This is for 135mm mountain bike spacing. Too wide. How
about the old Simplex one in that junk box.

O: Used. Can't sell it. Liability issues.

P: For $20 in cash and I sign an indemnification agreement?

Q: Nope, we have to throw it away.

R: How about I buy the MTB one from you at whatever you
think is a fair price, then you give me the Simplex one
(therefore no legal contract implied), and then I throw
the MTB one away in your garbage?

S: No, can't even give it away.

T: OK: I'll trade you 5 new Shimano XT rear skewers for
the Simplex.

U: Can't trade it away either.

V: OK, how about you sell it to a pal of mine in the US, and
he ships it back to me - that way you are pretty much
insulated from cross-border lawsuits.

W: Nope: that could really [censored] our suppliers due to
franchise agreements.

Final resolution: I buy a $5 part from the Netherlands on
Ebay and have it shipped half way around the globe. Which is
the means by which I've bought almost every bike part in the
last year. A waste.

[email hidden] (Chris Zacho "The Wheelman"😉 wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Old worn out parts are not totally worthless. quite the
opposite, they are a gold mine of screws and other little
pieces that get lost, stripped or broken on the new stuff.

Why do you think bike shops have boxes of old worn out
things in the back of their shop?

The local Community Cycling Center (
communitycyclingcenter.orgcommunitycyclingcenter.orgOpen ↗ ) repairs donated
bikes, parts out the unrepairable, and donates the worn
parts to Resource Revival (
resourcerevival.comresourcerevival.comOpen ↗ ), where it's made into
art. Very little goes in the dumpster.

Jeff

Dave Mayer said:

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Zacho 'The Wheelman') said:

Old worn out parts are not totally worthless. quite the
opposite, they are a gold mine of screws and other
little pieces that get lost, stripped or broken on the
new stuff.

True: but most bike shops in my part of the world do not
allow the sale or giving away of used parts or even pieces
off of used parts. They claim this is due to liability
issues passed down to them by the wholesalers and the
manufacturers.

Most of the local shops also strongly discourage customers
from installing their new store-bought parts themselves.
If you want to buy a derailleur or whatever, be prepared
to be peppered with questions regarding the use of the
part, the other parts on the bike, the age of the bike
etc. In fact, the parts pricing of our LBSs is high enough
so that installation is usually included - again
protecting the store and the rest of the supply chain.

Unfortunately for the capable hobbyist, the retail price
around here is about double that of mail-order, and about
10 times that of what a reasonable price should be for a
used but serviceable part. Ask a local store to install a
used part? Ha Ha.

Here is a transcript of a recent discussion with a LBS:

ME: I need a rear skewer for an old 10-speed.

A: here is one.

ME: This is for 135mm mountain bike spacing. Too wide.
<snippage>

Where are you writing from, Dave? I live in the
litigious USA and have found it easy to find, purchase
and use used bike parts of all sorts, with no warranty
expected or implied.

That ATB skewer could easily have been cut down to the
length you need. Possibly you would have to clean up the
threads after the cut with a die or just a triangular file.

--
Ted Bennett Portland OR

In article <2fBfc.17577$4N3.797@newsfe1-win>,

Phil said:

hey all.

The pile of useless worn out components after the last
overhaul of my bike got me to thinking about the waste
associated with cycling. Will the new law affecting
motorists and the deposal of old cars affect cyclists?

It seems to me that most parts can be easily disposed of as
scrap metal, unless you want to keep them on the chance that
there will be something salvageable. One exception I don't
know how to dispose of: Rims are a mixture of aluminum (the
rim itself) and steel (the eyelets). Doesn't seem to be
right to throw one into either the aluminum scrap or the
steel scrap. I now have a couple of old rims behind a
cabinet in my office...

--
Ned Mantei Department of Cell Biology, Swiss Federal
Institute of Technology CH-8093 Zurich, Switzerland

Ted Bennett <[email hidden]> wrote

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Where are you writing from, Dave? I live in the litigious
USA and have found it easy to find, purchase and use used
bike parts of all sorts, with no warranty expected or
implied.

That ATB skewer could easily have been cut down to the
length you need. Possibly you would have to clean up
the threads after the cut with a die or just a
triangular file.

I live in Seattle. I recently bought a mid 80's bike off
eBay - very nice condition except for 2 rusty skewers. I
went to the nearby Recycled Cycles and pawed thru a pile of
maybe 80 old skewers til I found a pair that matched and
looked good and of the approx age as the bike. They charged
$10 for the pair. No mention of liability, safety, etc.
Refreshing.

I also noticed that the shop is changing - they are
beginning to sell more new bikes and gear, with less room
for the old stuff. It'll be interesting to see if the
attitude to the old 'junk' changes.