Bike parking

"Joao Barros" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In Portugal, bikes are not very popular, but some people are trying...

I want to convince the school where I work to create a bike parking.
Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
illustrative/useful site...

Thanks for your attention

Joao

P.S. Please reply to the newsgroup as I will not be reading the email.

Our company has a few of these installed for employees who bike to work.
Hope you can convince your company to provide something similar.
http://www.biketrack.com/storage/parker/app_college.html

Most restaurants and shops located near the bike trails in the area have
some type of bike rack available for bike parking. A few are shown on this
site.
http://www.bikeparking.com/

Beverly said:

"Joao Barros" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In Portugal, bikes are not very popular, but some people are trying...

I want to convince the school where I work to create a bike parking.
Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
illustrative/useful site...

Thanks for your attention

Joao

P.S. Please reply to the newsgroup as I will not be reading the email.

Our company has a few of these installed for employees who bike to work.
Hope you can convince your company to provide something similar.
http://www.biketrack.com/storage/parker/app_college.html

Most restaurants and shops located near the bike trails in the area have
some type of bike rack available for bike parking. A few are shown on
this
site.
http://www.bikeparking.com/

Not to overpost this morning but my last full time employer had so many
bike commuters they put a bike rack inside the building, and we wound up
with about 8 commuters out of 105 employees. Some of the older guys,
55+ insisted on their cars, but then they looked their age.

Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:50:44 -0500, Beverly <[email hidden]>

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"Joao Barros" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In Portugal, bikes are not very popular, but some people are trying...

I want to convince the school where I work to create a bike parking.
Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
illustrative/useful site...

Thanks for your attention

Joao

P.S. Please reply to the newsgroup as I will not be reading the email.

Our company has a few of these installed for employees who bike to work.
Hope you can convince your company to provide something similar.
http://www.biketrack.com/storage/parker/app_college.html

Most restaurants and shops located near the bike trails in the area have
some type of bike rack available for bike parking. A few are shown on
this
site.
http://www.bikeparking.com/

Not to overpost this morning but my last full time employer had so many
bike commuters they put a bike rack inside the building, and we wound up
with about 8 commuters out of 105 employees. Some of the older guys,
55+ insisted on their cars, but then they looked their age.

Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

I would love to be a bike commuter but my 10 hour days and the 2 hour daily
commute by car just don't allow enough time. Yea, I know it's my choice 🙂
I tried living closer to work but hate the area. It's too congested. I
prefer living in a sleepy little suburb with bike lanes instead of this
highly congested area with bumper-to-bumper traffic, no bike lanes and no
berms.

Beverly (who loves small town living much better)

"Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I would love to be a bike commuter but my 10 hour days and the 2 hour
daily
commute by car just don't allow enough time. Yea, I know it's my choice
🙂
I tried living closer to work but hate the area. It's too congested. I
prefer living in a sleepy little suburb with bike lanes instead of this
highly congested area with bumper-to-bumper traffic, no bike lanes and no
berms.

If your suburbs-to-city commute is typical of most, then the last 5 miles
takes a disproportionate amount of time. Perhaps you could bring your bike
along in the car and ride that last 5 miles. You might find a cheaper and
easier place to park, too, and find that you don't lose any time.

My commute is 13 miles from the suburbs to Center City Philadelphia, and
door-to-door it's about the same as driving/parking, and faster than the
train.

RichC

Beverly said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:50:44 -0500, Beverly <[email hidden]>

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"Joao Barros" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In Portugal, bikes are not very popular, but some people are

trying...

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>
> I want to convince the school where I work to create a bike parking.
> Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
> already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
> illustrative/useful site...
>
> Thanks for your attention
>
> Joao
>
> P.S. Please reply to the newsgroup as I will not be reading the

email.

Quoted message said:

Our company has a few of these installed for employees who bike to

work.

Quoted message said:

Hope you can convince your company to provide something similar.
http://www.biketrack.com/storage/parker/app_college.html

Most restaurants and shops located near the bike trails in the area

have

Quoted message said:

some type of bike rack available for bike parking. A few are shown on
this
site.
http://www.bikeparking.com/

Not to overpost this morning but my last full time employer had so many
bike commuters they put a bike rack inside the building, and we wound up
with about 8 commuters out of 105 employees. Some of the older guys,
55+ insisted on their cars, but then they looked their age.

Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

I would love to be a bike commuter but my 10 hour days and the 2 hour
daily
commute by car just don't allow enough time. Yea, I know it's my choice
🙂
I tried living closer to work but hate the area. It's too congested. I
prefer living in a sleepy little suburb with bike lanes instead of this
highly congested area with bumper-to-bumper traffic, no bike lanes and no
berms.

Beverly (who loves small town living much better)

If it is bumper to bumper (been there, done that) what makes you so
sure it might not be faster to use a bike? Unless you have a fair
65 MPH after the bumper to bumper.

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Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

16 Nov 2004 03:01:59 -0800,
<[email hidden]>,

(Joao Barros) said:

Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
illustrative/useful site...

http://www.bicyclealliance.org/commute/sbblarge.pdf
http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/commsvcs/Bylaws/parking/sec06.pdf
http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/engsvcs/parking/enf/pdf/bpds.pdf
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zk

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"Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I would love to be a bike commuter but my 10 hour days and the 2 hour
daily
commute by car just don't allow enough time. Yea, I know it's my choice
🙂
I tried living closer to work but hate the area. It's too congested. I
prefer living in a sleepy little suburb with bike lanes instead of this
highly congested area with bumper-to-bumper traffic, no bike lanes and

no

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berms.

If your suburbs-to-city commute is typical of most, then the last 5 miles
takes a disproportionate amount of time. Perhaps you could bring your bike
along in the car and ride that last 5 miles. You might find a cheaper and
easier place to park, too, and find that you don't lose any time.

My commute is 13 miles from the suburbs to Center City Philadelphia, and
door-to-door it's about the same as driving/parking, and faster than the
train.

RichC

The last few miles of the commute are the worst for me. It's interstate, a
busy state route without berms and a major mall and shopping center. The
bus service to the suburbs isn't very good. Taking the bus often takes 2-3
times longer than driving. I live in the northern part of our county and
work in the southern part.

This did get me thinking about riding from home to a place near downtown
where I could catch one of the more regular and reliable bus routes to the
other end of the county. I may have to get a map of the county bus routes
and their schedule and check this out. The biggest problem would be finding
a safe place to leave the bike. They would steal the bike out of under you
in the downtown area. I doubt any chain would keep them from stealing it.

Beverly

Bev wrote of her move from the city to the suburbs:

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It's too congested. I prefer living in a sleepy little suburb with

bike lanes

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instead of this highly congested area with bumper-to-bumper traffic,

no

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bike lanes and no berms.

For most of my adult life I lived at least 20 miles from my work. Then
I got a job ten miles from home; then I got a job telecommuting and I
couldn't believe the amount of time and money I saved. For my current
job I purposely bought a home reasonably close (six miles) to work.
There's some minimal rush-hour congestion (it's a small city), but I
hit the congestion three minutes from my front door instead of hitting
it after a twenty minute drive through farmland.

My son (age 9) occasionally expresses a desire to move to the country
where he can ride 4-wheelers and shoot guns and look for bugs and
critters. That stuff is certainly fun, but I point out that if we lived
on a 4-acre spread he would have no friends. I read in the paper about
teens living in some of the outlying towns who have nothing to do --
they are completely isolated in their exurban islands. Motorized
transportation is a necessity for them, meaning they're tied to mom's
apron strings that much longer. I've tried promoting bicycling as a
means of independent transportation for teens in exurbia, but parents
are fearful of the perceived dangers of the little county roads that
have become congested arterials to the work and commerce centers.

When they're a little older, my children will be able to independently
take the bus to museums, the zoo, kayak parks, a day snow ski area,
even their grandmother if they want. The mommy-taxi is needlessly
indulgent for any ambulatory child over the age of 13 or so. I'm
raising them up to be confident, independent, resourceful, respectful
and responsible. I love my children, but they *will* be set free from
me the summer after their 18th birthday, whether they want to be or not
:-)

RFM

"Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This did get me thinking about riding from home to a place near downtown
where I could catch one of the more regular and reliable bus routes to the
other end of the county. I may have to get a map of the county bus routes
and their schedule and check this out. The biggest problem would be
finding
a safe place to leave the bike. They would steal the bike out of under
you
in the downtown area. I doubt any chain would keep them from stealing it.

Do the buses have bike carriers on the front? (Lots of localities do, but we
often don't notice them unless we need them.)

Also -- and I can't emphasize this enough -- when planning a bike commute,
it's critical not to do so from the perspective of a driver. The streets and
roads you use will almost never be the same ones you'd use when driving;
they'll probably be roads you never knew existed.

What you need, to start with, is a detailed surface street map of the areas
where you want to find a route. Then comes the fun part: take some weekends
and go exploring. You'd probably be out riding anyway, so why not use the
time to find a practical commuting route?

You might even be able to change the driving part of the commute to make it
shorter and less onerous, if your destination becomes "a good place to park
and start riding from."

Personally, I find it more useful to measure my commute in terms of
stress-reduction and health benefits. The (significant) cost savings and
gentler environmental impact of not driving, while real, don't motivate me.
They make good discussion points, but I'd ride even if it cost as much as
driving.

Disclaimer: I have the great advantage of a secure private office where I
can park my bike, which lets me commute on a *really* nice bike. That
motivates me, too!

RichC

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:47:04 -0500, Beverly <[email hidden]>

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"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:50:44 -0500, Beverly <[email hidden]>

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>
> "Joao Barros" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> In Portugal, bikes are not very popular, but some people are
trying...
>>
>> I want to convince the school where I work to create a bike parking.
>> Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
>> already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
>> illustrative/useful site...
>>
>> Thanks for your attention
>>
>> Joao
>>
>> P.S. Please reply to the newsgroup as I will not be reading the
email.
>
>
> Our company has a few of these installed for employees who bike to
work.
> Hope you can convince your company to provide something similar.
> http://www.biketrack.com/storage/parker/app_college.html
>
> Most restaurants and shops located near the bike trails in the area
have
> some type of bike rack available for bike parking. A few are shown

on

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> this
> site.
> http://www.bikeparking.com/
>
>
Not to overpost this morning but my last full time employer had so many
bike commuters they put a bike rack inside the building, and we wound

up

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with about 8 commuters out of 105 employees. Some of the older guys,
55+ insisted on their cars, but then they looked their age.

Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

I would love to be a bike commuter but my 10 hour days and the 2 hour
daily
commute by car just don't allow enough time. Yea, I know it's my choice
🙂
I tried living closer to work but hate the area. It's too congested. I
prefer living in a sleepy little suburb with bike lanes instead of this
highly congested area with bumper-to-bumper traffic, no bike lanes and

no

Quoted message said:

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berms.

Beverly (who loves small town living much better)

If it is bumper to bumper (been there, done that) what makes you so
sure it might not be faster to use a bike? Unless you have a fair
65 MPH after the bumper to bumper.

--
Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

Doing 65 on the interstate around here will get you run over<g> The
bumper-to-bumper on the interstate runs around 70-80 mph unless there's an
accident. The speed near the mall area is posted at 45 but most people do
55-60. I never have understood the reason for the high speed limit in such
a congested area. The accident rate is very high.

Beverly (who's mother drove stock car races and taught me to drive)

"Fritz M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Bev wrote of her move from the city to the suburbs:

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It's too congested. I prefer living in a sleepy little suburb with

bike lanes

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instead of this highly congested area with bumper-to-bumper traffic,

no

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bike lanes and no berms.

For most of my adult life I lived at least 20 miles from my work. Then
I got a job ten miles from home; then I got a job telecommuting and I
couldn't believe the amount of time and money I saved. For my current
job I purposely bought a home reasonably close (six miles) to work.
There's some minimal rush-hour congestion (it's a small city), but I
hit the congestion three minutes from my front door instead of hitting
it after a twenty minute drive through farmland.

My son (age 9) occasionally expresses a desire to move to the country
where he can ride 4-wheelers and shoot guns and look for bugs and
critters. That stuff is certainly fun, but I point out that if we lived
on a 4-acre spread he would have no friends. I read in the paper about
teens living in some of the outlying towns who have nothing to do --
they are completely isolated in their exurban islands. Motorized
transportation is a necessity for them, meaning they're tied to mom's
apron strings that much longer. I've tried promoting bicycling as a
means of independent transportation for teens in exurbia, but parents
are fearful of the perceived dangers of the little county roads that
have become congested arterials to the work and commerce centers.

When they're a little older, my children will be able to independently
take the bus to museums, the zoo, kayak parks, a day snow ski area,
even their grandmother if they want. The mommy-taxi is needlessly
indulgent for any ambulatory child over the age of 13 or so. I'm
raising them up to be confident, independent, resourceful, respectful
and responsible. I love my children, but they *will* be set free from
me the summer after their 18th birthday, whether they want to be or not
:-)

RFM

Good plan<g> For 26 years I lived 5 miles from work. At age 53 they shut
the place down and I took this job. Thankfully I'll be retiring in a couple
years and won't have this commute much longer.

Beverly

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"Rich Clark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Do the buses have bike carriers on the front? (Lots of localities do, but

we

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often don't notice them unless we need them.)

Yes. All the buses now have the bike carriers. They only carry two bikes
but if they're full you can take the bike inside the bus if there is room.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll have to start investigating my
options.

Beverly

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Also -- and I can't emphasize this enough -- when planning a bike commute,
it's critical not to do so from the perspective of a driver. The streets

and

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roads you use will almost never be the same ones you'd use when driving;
they'll probably be roads you never knew existed.

What you need, to start with, is a detailed surface street map of the

areas

Quoted message said:

where you want to find a route. Then comes the fun part: take some

weekends

Quoted message said:

and go exploring. You'd probably be out riding anyway, so why not use the
time to find a practical commuting route?

You might even be able to change the driving part of the commute to make

it

Quoted message said:

shorter and less onerous, if your destination becomes "a good place to

park

Quoted message said:

and start riding from."

Personally, I find it more useful to measure my commute in terms of
stress-reduction and health benefits. The (significant) cost savings and
gentler environmental impact of not driving, while real, don't motivate

me.

Quoted message said:

They make good discussion points, but I'd ride even if it cost as much as
driving.

Disclaimer: I have the great advantage of a secure private office where I
can park my bike, which lets me commute on a *really* nice bike. That
motivates me, too!

RichC

Joao Barros said:

In Portugal, bikes are not very popular, but some people are trying...

I want to convince the school where I work to create a bike parking.
Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
illustrative/useful site...

When I was a kid, every school had a "bike corral." It was simply a bunch of
bike racks surrounded by a chain link fence, sometimes with a chain link roof,
or barbed wire around the top. It was locked during the day when the kids were
in school, to prevent theft and vandalism. Perhaps not the most attractive
structure, but cheap to build and effective.

Most of these schools are still around and so are the bike corrals, but without
bikes in them anymore.

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole said:

Joao Barros said:

In Portugal, bikes are not very popular, but some people are trying...

I want to convince the school where I work to create a bike parking.
Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
illustrative/useful site...

When I was a kid, every school had a "bike corral." It was simply a
bunch of
bike racks surrounded by a chain link fence, sometimes with a chain link
roof,
or barbed wire around the top. It was locked during the day when the
kids were
in school, to prevent theft and vandalism. Perhaps not the most
attractive
structure, but cheap to build and effective.

Most of these schools are still around and so are the bike corrals, but
without
bikes in them anymore.

Matt O.

Kind of a shame that we are raising a generation of wimps. My grade school
had the bike parking in the basement (tornado territory) and we rode down
a steep ramp then skidded sideways into the door and parked for the day.
None of the kids dared mess with anybodies bike because it was inside the
school and teachers were everywhere. A few kids hit the wall trying to be
too brave on that corner but all they got was a scolding and nobody tried
to sue the school. Of course that was 1957 and suing was not a national
pastime like it is now. We did have the playground demolished by a small
tornado that took the roofs off of some houses and passed over the bike
corner of the school. After school we just rode home and looked at all the
mess of broken trees and trashed roofs, no big deal to us.

--
Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

"Joao Barros" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In Portugal, bikes are not very popular, but some people are trying...

I want to convince the school where I work to create a bike parking.
Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
illustrative/useful site...

Please see:

http://www.bicyclealliance.org/commute/sbbsummary.pdf
http://www.bicyclealliance.org/commute/sbblarge.pdf

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"Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When I was a kid, every school had a "bike corral." It was simply a bunch

of

Quoted message said:

bike racks surrounded by a chain link fence, sometimes with a chain link

roof,

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or barbed wire around the top. It was locked during the day when the kids

were

Quoted message said:

in school, to prevent theft and vandalism. Perhaps not the most

attractive

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structure, but cheap to build and effective.

Most of these schools are still around and so are the bike corrals, but

without

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bikes in them anymore.

My daughter's school still has the bike corrals. And due to proximity of
school
to students, quiet streets that weren't impossible to take back, and a bit
of
bike promotions, the bike corrals range from half to completely full.

Back when this school it was built for about 250 students, and there were
other schools around also built for 250 students. In this district of about
2500 elementary students there used to be 10 schools. Enrollment
dropped, they sold off 4 schools, enrollment got back up to 3000,
now the schools are bigger but more importantly the distance to school
for some kids has increased dramatically, and riding to school isn't as
safe as it was.

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:25:49 GMT, Cathy Kearns <[email hidden]>

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"Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When I was a kid, every school had a "bike corral." It was simply a
bunch

of

Quoted message said:

bike racks surrounded by a chain link fence, sometimes with a chain link

roof,

Quoted message said:

or barbed wire around the top. It was locked during the day when the
kids

were

Quoted message said:

in school, to prevent theft and vandalism. Perhaps not the most

attractive

Quoted message said:

structure, but cheap to build and effective.

Most of these schools are still around and so are the bike corrals, but

without

Quoted message said:

bikes in them anymore.

My daughter's school still has the bike corrals. And due to proximity of
school
to students, quiet streets that weren't impossible to take back, and a
bit
of
bike promotions, the bike corrals range from half to completely full.

Back when this school it was built for about 250 students, and there were
other schools around also built for 250 students. In this district of
about
2500 elementary students there used to be 10 schools. Enrollment
dropped, they sold off 4 schools, enrollment got back up to 3000,
now the schools are bigger but more importantly the distance to school
for some kids has increased dramatically, and riding to school isn't as
safe as it was.

Intelligent politics as usual. "The baby boom is over so let's kill some
schools."
Add twenty years and guess what, all those kids now have their own kids.
Re-open the old schools? Nope, now they are malls, in the guise of
"Growth".
Makes you wonder who's running the show.

--
Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

Claire Petersky said:

"Joao Barros" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In Portugal, bikes are not very popular, but some people are trying...

I want to convince the school where I work to create a bike parking.
Where can I find photos of good ways/equipments to park bikes? I
already googled a little but maybe someone knows of a really
illustrative/useful site...

Please see:

http://www.bicyclealliance.org/commute/sbbsummary.pdf
http://www.bicyclealliance.org/commute/sbblarge.pdf

That is about the best explanation that I've seen. I will make good
use of it.

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Claire Petersky said:

Please see:

http://www.bicyclealliance.org/commute/sbbsummary.pdf
http://www.bicyclealliance.org/commute/sbblarge.pdf

That is about the best explanation that I've seen. I will make good
use of it.

Yes, I like it too. I bet the Bike Alliance wouldn't turn down a donation,
if you were so moved :-)

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Claire Petersky
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