Bike like a Drunk!

donquijote1954 said:

Well, I was considering dropping such an exciting sport in order to
survive. See, it's stupid to face the beast. Case in point is the
recent hit and run (so common in America) in which the victim faced
the bloody predator. Well, she was run over and dragged for several
miles. It can only makes me nervous to ride a bike and get on the way
of such beasts...

Luckily though I found a way around it, other than walking everywhere
or catch the noisy buses. I always wondered what was the secret to the
longevity of the drunks (I knew it wasn't alcohol), and looked, almost
with envy, at their leasure riding of cruising bikes with baskets.
Well, drunks aren't stupid. They ride bikes on the sidewalks, which
kind of hints at their longevity. So I decided to buy a cruiser of my
own and install a couple of those huge baskets. Voila! This is
paradise! Only problem may be the pedestrians, but, hey, it's a jungle
out there...

So now here I am riding my cool cruiser, without having to face the
beast out there. The drunks are also honest. They tell you, "Boy,
beware of the cars and MADD"...

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace

If I was old enough, I would get a moped or scooter. And the buses are
noisy, and really musty when they go back
Thats why I'am glad Minneapolis has the light rail as an alternative.

I guess nobody rides a bike around here --or drinks-- but here they
can follow up heated debated...

http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=banter&tid=675295

Just a sample...

OK, I'm getting real mad and I got this question for MADD:

WHO'S MORE DANGEROUS, A DRUNK MAN ON A BIKE, OR A SOBER MAN, PHONE IN
HAND, IN AN SUV?

Just curious...

On Jun 6, 8:55 pm, "William (http://psychologytoday.com/rss/

pto-20050322-000002.htmll) said:

donquijote1954 said:

Well, I was considering dropping such an exciting sport in order to
survive. See, it's stupid to face the beast. Case in point is the
recent hit and run (so common in America) in which the victim faced
the bloody predator. Well, she was run over and dragged for several
miles. It can only makes me nervous to ride a bike and get on the way
of such beasts...

Quoted message said:

Luckily though I found a way around it, other than walking everywhere
or catch the noisy buses. I always wondered what was the secret to the
longevity of the drunks (I knew it wasn't alcohol), and looked, almost
with envy, at their leasure riding of cruising bikes with baskets.
Well, drunks aren't stupid. They ride bikes on the sidewalks, which
kind of hints at their longevity. So I decided to buy a cruiser of my
own and install a couple of those huge baskets. Voila! This is
paradise! Only problem may be the pedestrians, but, hey, it's a jungle
out there...

Quoted message said:

So now here I am riding my cool cruiser, without having to face the
beast out there. The drunks are also honest. They tell you, "Boy,
beware of the cars and MADD"...

Quoted message said:

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

Quoted message said:

BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace

If I was old enough, I would get a moped or scooter. And the buses are
noisy, and really musty when they go back
Thats why I'am glad Minneapolis has the light rail as an alternative.

Before you get one, check your state's licensing requirements. In
NYS, you need a motorcycle license for them. It's pretty silly for a
moped.

donquijote1954 said:

I guess nobody rides a bike around here --or drinks-- but here they
can follow up heated debated...

http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=banter&tid=675295

Just a sample...

OK, I'm getting real mad and I got this question for MADD:

WHO'S MORE DANGEROUS, A DRUNK MAN ON A BIKE, OR A SOBER MAN, PHONE IN
HAND, IN AN SUV?

Just curious...

Actually there was a recent study on how talking on your phone while
driving is just as bad as driving drunk.

donquijote1954 said:

I guess nobody rides a bike around here --or drinks-- but here they
can follow up heated debated...

http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=banter&tid=675295

Just a sample...

OK, I'm getting real mad and I got this question for MADD:

WHO'S MORE DANGEROUS, A DRUNK MAN ON A BIKE, OR A SOBER MAN, PHONE IN
HAND, IN AN SUV?

Just curious...

The one in the SUV: he's more likely to be a wingnut.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

Martin Edwards ([email hidden]) said...

Quoted message said:

donquijote1954 said:

WHO'S MORE DANGEROUS, A DRUNK MAN ON A BIKE, OR A SOBER MAN, PHONE IN
HAND, IN AN SUV?

The one in the SUV: he's more likely to be a wingnut.

I would side with that. The drunk, though much slower to react, is at
least paying attention to the road. Someone on a phone is not only not
paying full attention, but will out of force of habbit delay reaction.

Even someone using a hands-free phone is just not all there.

Some have argued that being distracted by using a phone is no different
than being distracted by a conversation with a passenger. This is totally
bull. When you are having a conversation with someone who is present and
as aware of the surroundings as you are, events that require an
interruption in the conversation are addressed immediately.

When you are on the phone with someone, whether you believe this or not,
you subconsciously go out of your way to keep the conversation in motion,
even if that means taking the time to say, "hold on a moment...".

If you were driving with someone and a child darts out after a ball in
front of you, you would immediately stop your conversation in mid-sentence
to deal with the sudden need to stop or swerve. When on the phone, you
are talking with someone who would react to your sudden silence. They might
think the call was dropped or you were being rude, but regardless, you
automatically try to avoid that situation OVER and above other reactions.
Whether you are aware you are doing this or not, you have the need to
seque from talking to not talking and, in that time, you hit the child.

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Martin Edwards said:

donquijote1954 said:

I guess nobody rides a bike around here --or drinks-- but here they
can follow up heated debated...

http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=banter&tid=675295

Just a sample...

OK, I'm getting real mad and I got this question for MADD:

WHO'S MORE DANGEROUS, A DRUNK MAN ON A BIKE, OR A SOBER MAN, PHONE IN
HAND, IN AN SUV?

Just curious...

The one in the SUV: he's more likely to be a wingnut.

I'll side with that. If a man is yakking on the phone he may be a
business type who is only thinking of himself and his oh so important
job. Either that or his wife is telling him what to do.
Either way, he has control of the massive metal.
Bill Baka

Bill said:

Martin Edwards said:

donquijote1954 said:

I guess nobody rides a bike around here --or drinks-- but here they
can follow up heated debated...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=banter&tid=675295

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just a sample...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

OK, I'm getting real mad and I got this question for MADD:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

WHO'S MORE DANGEROUS, A DRUNK MAN ON A BIKE, OR A SOBER MAN, PHONE IN
HAND, IN AN SUV?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just curious...

Quoted message said:

The one in the SUV: he's more likely to be a wingnut.

I'll side with that. If a man is yakking on the phone he may be a
business type who is only thinking of himself and his oh so important
job. Either that or his wife is telling him what to do.
Either way, he has control of the massive metal.
Bill Baka-

We need to remind that to MADD. And tell them we are really mad about
it.

--The sober guy talking on the phone in his SUV isn't five years in
arrears on his child support for six children.--

Everybody picks on the drunk because he's the one with the bad image.
Lawyers, teachers, and soccer moms, who recklessly drive oversized
vehicles, are part of the system, and thus part of the hypocrisy.

donquijote1954 said:

--The sober guy talking on the phone in his SUV isn't five years in
arrears on his child support for six children.--

Everybody picks on the drunk because he's the one with the bad image.
Lawyers, teachers, and soccer moms, who recklessly drive oversized
vehicles, are part of the system, and thus part of the hypocrisy.

Bold statement, bold statement indeed. But tell me this, is the guy
who is breaking the law, putting
his life in danger along with many others not worthy of a "bad image"?

donquijote1954 said:

Well, I was considering dropping such an exciting sport in order to
survive. See, it's stupid to face the beast. Case in point is the
recent hit and run (so common in America) in which the victim faced
the bloody predator. Well, she was run over and dragged for several
miles. It can only makes me nervous to ride a bike and get on the way
of such beasts...

Luckily though I found a way around it, other than walking everywhere
or catch the noisy buses. I always wondered what was the secret to the
longevity of the drunks (I knew it wasn't alcohol), and looked, almost
with envy, at their leasure riding of cruising bikes with baskets.
Well, drunks aren't stupid. They ride bikes on the sidewalks, which
kind of hints at their longevity. So I decided to buy a cruiser of my
own and install a couple of those huge baskets. Voila! This is
paradise! Only problem may be the pedestrians, but, hey, it's a jungle
out there...

So now here I am riding my cool cruiser, without having to face the
beast out there. The drunks are also honest. They tell you, "Boy,
beware of the cars and MADD"...

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace

I only read this poster's messages when I'm really bored although I do
get a kick out of what I can only call his *boasting* about being too
frightened to enjoy something millions of people of all ages do every
single day without any injury whatsoever. What a maroon.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

On Jun 8, 6:24 pm, "William ( http://psychologytoday.com/rss/pto-20050322-000002.htmll

) said:

donquijote1954 said:

--The sober guy talking on the phone in his SUV isn't five years in
arrears on his child support for six children.--

Quoted message said:

Everybody picks on the drunk because he's the one with the bad image.
Lawyers, teachers, and soccer moms, who recklessly drive oversized
vehicles, are part of the system, and thus part of the hypocrisy.

Bold statement, bold statement indeed. But tell me this, is the guy
who is breaking the law, putting
his life in danger along with many others not worthy of a "bad image"?

Yes indeed. The problem is the terrorists in SUVs do enjoy good
reputation. Then you got to come to conclusion, "Hey, it's all about
money!" They squeeze every penny out of the monkey who had some
drinks, but don't mess with the lion who talks recklessly on the phone
and ignores the rules of the road. And what separates the monkey from
the lion? You guessed it right: MONEY!

Road hogs

A monstrous breed of automobile stalks the highways of LA, but one
activist is determined to make it extinct, writes Duncan Campbell

One of the great banes of life in California is the Sport Utility
Vehicle, the SUV, the enormous four-wheel-drive cars that are also
becoming increasingly popular in Britain and elsewhere in Europe. They
take up an enormous amount of space on the road. They clog up parking
places. They use an enormous amount of petrol and do an enormous
amount of damage to the environment.

Because they are marketed as a safe family car - that is, safe, as in
killing other people in a crash rather than yourself - their
popularity has grown. Most car manufacturers now look to them as a big
moneymaker. Sometimes it seems as though every freeway is populated
entirely by people in SUVs talking into their cellphones.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4395102,00.html

In article <[email hidden]>,

donquijote1954 said:

I always wondered what was the secret to the
longevity of the drunks (I knew it wasn't alcohol), and looked, almost
with envy, at their leasure riding of cruising bikes with baskets.
Well, drunks aren't stupid. They ride bikes on the sidewalks, which
kind of hints at their longevity.

You certainly have some haywire notions.

Quoted message said:

So I decided to buy a cruiser of my
own and install a couple of those huge baskets.

You said you were going to quit riding.

Quoted message said:

Voila! This is
paradise! Only problem may be the pedestrians, but, hey, it's a jungle
out there...

The pedestrians are just minding their own beeswax on /their/
sidewalks. If there's a problem, you're creating it by
introducing a vehicle that doesn't belong in the pedestrians'
realm.

Quoted message said:

So now here I am riding my cool cruiser, without having to face the
beast out there. The drunks are also honest. They tell you, "Boy,
beware of the cars and MADD"...

They'll also tell you about how they caught their old lady meshin'
aroun' with that goof who livsh nesht door, and how they're gonna
pound the [censored] outa both of 'em. Then they start bawling their
eyes out & creating a scene that you desperately want to escape
from before they start puking their O-ring out, and then they
light the filter end of a cigarette, and smoke it. But if you
think you can glean pearls of wisdom from drunks, go for it.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

(Tom Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

donquijote1954 said:

I always wondered what was the secret to the
longevity of the drunks (I knew it wasn't alcohol), and looked, almost
with envy, at their leasure riding of cruising bikes with baskets.
Well, drunks aren't stupid. They ride bikes on the sidewalks, which
kind of hints at their longevity.

You certainly have some haywire notions.

Quoted message said:

So I decided to buy a cruiser of my
own and install a couple of those huge baskets.

You said you were going to quit riding.

Quoted message said:

Voila! This is
paradise! Only problem may be the pedestrians, but, hey, it's a jungle
out there...

The pedestrians are just minding their own beeswax on /their/
sidewalks. If there's a problem, you're creating it by
introducing a vehicle that doesn't belong in the pedestrians'
realm.

I think that whether or not a bike belongs in "the pedestrians' realm"
depends on where you are. In a large city with slow traffic, it's
probably better in the street. But where I live, it would be MUCH
safer on the sidewalk. We have 4 lanes of traffic, no shoulders,
granite curbs and traffic going by at 30-45 mph. When 2 tractor
trailers with double trailer are going by, side by side, you're best
not to be anywhere near them. If you're on a bike, there's no place
to go and you are trying to stop a humungous truck in order to avoid a
bike. It's real dangerous. Plus any fuel savings from the bike is
lost by the TT having to re-accelerate.

So using a side street or a sidewalk is the better choice here.

Besides, even it there is only 1 truck going by, you are effected by
the wind blast.

Even my 800 lb, highly visible motorcycle is no match for those bad-
boys. If I have to cross traffic to get into my driveway and I see 2
tractor trailers coming up behind me, I hit the gas and get out of
there and go to an intersection or someplace safer to turn. ... and I
can out accelerate a bicycle.

This isn't the case everywhere, but I think that you need to look look
at the individual situation instead of making such blanket
statements. The whole world doesn't live in a large city.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So now here I am riding my cool cruiser, without having to face the
beast out there. The drunks are also honest. They tell you, "Boy,
beware of the cars and MADD"...

They'll also tell you about how they caught their old lady meshin'
aroun' with that goof who livsh nesht door, and how they're gonna
pound the [censored] outa both of 'em. Then they start bawling their
eyes out & creating a scene that you desperately want to escape
from before they start puking their O-ring out, and then they
light the filter end of a cigarette, and smoke it. But if you
think you can glean pearls of wisdom from drunks, go for it.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

On Jun 11, 10:54 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

They squeeze every penny out of the monkey who had some

Quoted message said:

drinks, but don't mess with the lion who talks recklessly on the phone
and ignores the rules of the road. And what separates the monkey from
the lion?

One has a legal blood alcohol level while the other does not.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Pat said:

Quoted message said:

The pedestrians are just minding their own beeswax on /their/
sidewalks. If there's a problem, you're creating it by
introducing a vehicle that doesn't belong in the pedestrians'
realm.

I think that whether or not a bike belongs in "the pedestrians' realm"
depends on where you are. In a large city with slow traffic, it's
probably better in the street.

Okay, I'll allow there are some isolated instances when riding
on the sidewalk is relatively safer -- *if* it doesn't interfere
with or endanger pedestrians, and if the rider is heads-up at
intersections.

Quoted message said:

But where I live, it would be MUCH
safer on the sidewalk. We have 4 lanes of traffic, no shoulders,
granite curbs and traffic going by at 30-45 mph. When 2 tractor
trailers with double trailer are going by, side by side, you're best
not to be anywhere near them.

So you appear to live somewhere at least civilized enough to
have sidewalks. But how do people stop at stores there, to do
some shopping? Or do they have to just keep going until they
hit the next town, and support /their/ local economy? Living
on a freeway must be pretty tough. Reminds me of the Steven
Wright routine where he tries to unlock his front door with
his car keys. His house starts up. Then he drives it around
a little, parks it on the freeway, and yells at drivers to get
the hell off his driveway.

Quoted message said:

If you're on a bike, there's no place
to go and you are trying to stop a humungous truck in order to avoid a
bike. It's real dangerous. Plus any fuel savings from the bike is
lost by the TT having to re-accelerate.

Yeah, truck drivers are all out to run people over.

Quoted message said:

So using a side street or a sidewalk is the better choice here.

Besides, even it there is only 1 truck going by, you are effected by
the wind blast.

Trucks are lovely, when you know how to use them. Just stay
out of their right sides during right turns, and know where
the blind spots are. Wind blast -- pfffft. I love surfing
the bow shock waves from the fronts of trucks. There's a
dodgy spot created by the gap between tractor & trailer, but
a skilled rider can deal with that.

Quoted message said:

Even my 800 lb, highly visible motorcycle is no match for those bad-
boys. If I have to cross traffic to get into my driveway and I see 2
tractor trailers coming up behind me, I hit the gas and get out of
there and go to an intersection or someplace safer to turn. ... and I
can out accelerate a bicycle.

I can safely time my maneouvers on my bicycle.

Quoted message said:

This isn't the case everywhere, but I think that you need to look look
at the individual situation instead of making such blanket
statements. The whole world doesn't live in a large city.

Maybe you should ride your motorsickle on the sidewalk,
and be safe from those big, bad truck drivers. And keep
going without stopping until you hit the next town.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Pat said:

Quoted message said:

The pedestrians are just minding their own beeswax on /their/
sidewalks. If there's a problem, you're creating it by
introducing a vehicle that doesn't belong in the pedestrians'
realm.

I think that whether or not a bike belongs in "the pedestrians' realm"
depends on where you are. In a large city with slow traffic, it's
probably better in the street.

Okay, I'll allow there are some isolated instances when riding
on the sidewalk is relatively safer -- *if* it doesn't interfere
with or endanger pedestrians, and if the rider is heads-up at
intersections.

Quoted message said:

But where I live, it would be MUCH
safer on the sidewalk. We have 4 lanes of traffic, no shoulders,
granite curbs and traffic going by at 30-45 mph. When 2 tractor
trailers with double trailer are going by, side by side, you're best
not to be anywhere near them.

So you appear to live somewhere at least civilized enough to
have sidewalks. But how do people stop at stores there, to do
some shopping? Or do they have to just keep going until they
hit the next town, and support /their/ local economy? Living
on a freeway must be pretty tough. Reminds me of the Steven
Wright routine where he tries to unlock his front door with
his car keys. His house starts up. Then he drives it around
a little, parks it on the freeway, and yells at drivers to get
the hell off his driveway.

Quoted message said:

If you're on a bike, there's no place
to go and you are trying to stop a humungous truck in order to avoid a
bike. It's real dangerous. Plus any fuel savings from the bike is
lost by the TT having to re-accelerate.

Yeah, truck drivers are all out to run people over.

Quoted message said:

So using a side street or a sidewalk is the better choice here.

Besides, even it there is only 1 truck going by, you are effected by
the wind blast.

Trucks are lovely, when you know how to use them. Just stay
out of their right sides during right turns, and know where
the blind spots are. Wind blast -- pfffft.

And like that.............
--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

Bob said:

On Jun 11, 10:54 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>
wrote:

They squeeze every penny out of the monkey who had some

Quoted message said:

drinks, but don't mess with the lion who talks recklessly on the phone
and ignores the rules of the road. And what separates the monkey from
the lion?

One has a legal blood alcohol level while the other does not.

And one has plenty of cash (and credit cards) in his pockets to hire
good lawyers, while the other has to switch to riding a bike to get
around after DUI. We may as well have provided him the bike in the
first place, so he can drink without killing others, right?

(Tom Keats) said:

Quoted message said:

I think that whether or not a bike belongs in "the pedestrians' realm"
depends on where you are. In a large city with slow traffic, it's
probably better in the street.

Okay, I'll allow there are some isolated instances when riding
on the sidewalk is relatively safer -- *if* it doesn't interfere
with or endanger pedestrians, and if the rider is heads-up at
intersections.

Obviously, the answer here is to make BIKE LANES, so neither you
endanger pedestrians nor are you endangered by cars.

In the meantime the road is a jungle, and sidewalks are a jungle.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Besides, even it there is only 1 truck going by, you are effected by
the wind blast.

Trucks are lovely, when you know how to use them. Just stay
out of their right sides during right turns, and know where
the blind spots are. Wind blast -- pfffft. I love surfing
the bow shock waves from the fronts of trucks. There's a
dodgy spot created by the gap between tractor & trailer, but
a skilled rider can deal with that.

Much more carnage is caused by SUVs. They are far more and they are
driven without much training or care.

Quoted message said:

Maybe you should ride your motorsickle on the sidewalk,
and be safe from those big, bad truck drivers. And keep
going without stopping until you hit the next town.

Maybe we should eliminate sidewalks and have one big wide road where
all, semis and pedestrians, SUVs and bicycles, share in peace.

That's after the Armageddon, what the religious right via the
Republican Party is working hard to get, right?