Bike helmet standards

Donga said:

Here's an item from Cycling News, May 2, 2006. Foreign equivalent
standards are good enough for MTBA, and for Cycling Australia in the
case of track and MTB.

Isn't is a chalk and cheese thing?

Different events in different places?

Quoted message said:

CA seems
to accept these other standards are good enough for track and MTB, so
why not for the road?

Because CA doesn't make the laws that apply on the road?

Donga said:

>From the Cycling Australia website:

"The Australian Road Rules clearly demand that a bicycle helmet must
meet the Australian / New Zealand Standards. The AS/NZ 2063 Standard
does not recognise any other standard helmet from any other country.
Accordingly, only helmets that meet and carry the AS/ NZ Standards
approval are permitted for use on Australian Roads - including road
races conducted under the auspices of CA and its affiliates."

This means that to race not only would cost me the licence fee - also I
would have to buy a new helmet, because my helmet bought cheaply on the
internet doesn't have the sticker - even thought the same helmet is
approved ... and I'd have to pay the local price.

Here's an item from Cycling News, May 2, 2006. Foreign equivalent
standards are good enough for MTBA, and for Cycling Australia in the
case of track and MTB.

"MTBA clarifies full-face helmet rule
Australia mountain bike governing body MTBA recently announced that
from July 1 2006, full-face helmets will be mandatory at all MTBA
sanctioned DH events. This week, the organisation further clarified the
rule by releasing a list of compliance standards. In short, the
organization states that competition helmets must carry the Australian
Standards compliance sticker or an international equivalent. The first
list of standards that MTBA will accept as an international equivalent
to the Australian/New Zealand Standard 2063 is as follows:

(1) ANSI Z90.4;
(2) Snell "B" or "N" series;
(3) ASTM F-1447.
(4) Canadian CAN/CSA-D113.2-M;
(5) U.S. CPSC standard for bicycle helmets;
(6) European CEN standard for bicycle helmets (EN1078)
Other international standards may be added from time to time."

I would be interested to know how "clear" are the "Australian road
rules" that Cycling Australia has cited. Are they so tight that
equivalent standards cannot be accommodated? The Queensland Road Rules
say:

"...approved bicycle helmet means a helmet that complies with-
(a) AS 2063.1 and 2063.2; or
(b) another standard the chief executive considers is at least equal to
that standard"

....so the flexibility is there, if the CE wanted to use it and CA
wanted to pursue it, by perhaps recommending to state transport
departments that they should recognise these other standards. CA seems
to accept these other standards are good enough for track and MTB, so
why not for the road?

I must remember to ask CA this question!!

Donga

Triathlon rules say that if the helmet is recognised in a country that has a sister organisation of the triathlon federation then that helmet is ok to use in a race here.
When you get a permit from the police to have a race here it's actually called a "permit for suspension of road rules". (In Western Australia anyway.)

Donga said:

>From the Cycling Australia website:

"The Australian Road Rules clearly demand that a bicycle helmet must
meet the Australian / New Zealand Standards. The AS/NZ 2063 Standard
does not recognise any other standard helmet from any other country.
Accordingly, only helmets that meet and carry the AS/ NZ Standards
approval are permitted for use on Australian Roads - including road
races conducted under the auspices of CA and its affiliates."

This means that to race not only would cost me the licence fee - also I
would have to buy a new helmet, because my helmet bought cheaply on the
internet doesn't have the sticker - even thought the same helmet is
approved ... and I'd have to pay the local price.

Here's an item from Cycling News, May 2, 2006. Foreign equivalent
standards are good enough for MTBA, and for Cycling Australia in the
case of track and MTB.

"MTBA clarifies full-face helmet rule
Australia mountain bike governing body MTBA recently announced that
from July 1 2006, full-face helmets will be mandatory at all MTBA
sanctioned DH events. This week, the organisation further clarified the
rule by releasing a list of compliance standards. In short, the
organization states that competition helmets must carry the Australian
Standards compliance sticker or an international equivalent. The first
list of standards that MTBA will accept as an international equivalent
to the Australian/New Zealand Standard 2063 is as follows:

(1) ANSI Z90.4;
(2) Snell "B" or "N" series;
(3) ASTM F-1447.
(4) Canadian CAN/CSA-D113.2-M;
(5) U.S. CPSC standard for bicycle helmets;
(6) European CEN standard for bicycle helmets (EN1078)
Other international standards may be added from time to time."

I would be interested to know how "clear" are the "Australian road
rules" that Cycling Australia has cited. Are they so tight that
equivalent standards cannot be accommodated? The Queensland Road Rules
say:

"...approved bicycle helmet means a helmet that complies with-
(a) AS 2063.1 and 2063.2; or
(b) another standard the chief executive considers is at least equal to
that standard"

....so the flexibility is there, if the CE wanted to use it and CA
wanted to pursue it, by perhaps recommending to state transport
departments that they should recognise these other standards. CA seems
to accept these other standards are good enough for track and MTB, so
why not for the road?

I must remember to ask CA this question!!

Donga

I'm pretty sure BUT don't quote me on this, but you can use any helmet for a road race as long as the course is closed to all traffic. Not a rolling stoppage of traffic but a total road closure.

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Quoted message said:

Donga said:

Quoted message said:

From the Cycling Australia website:

"The Australian Road Rules clearly demand that a bicycle helmet must
meet the Australian / New Zealand Standards. The AS/NZ 2063 Standard
does not recognise any other standard helmet from any other country.
Accordingly, only helmets that meet and carry the AS/ NZ Standards
approval are permitted for use on Australian Roads - including road
races conducted under the auspices of CA and its affiliates."

This means that to race not only would cost me the licence fee - also I
would have to buy a new helmet, because my helmet bought cheaply on the
internet doesn't have the sticker - even thought the same helmet is
approved ... and I'd have to pay the local price.

Here's an item from Cycling News, May 2, 2006. Foreign equivalent
standards are good enough for MTBA, and for Cycling Australia in the
case of track and MTB.

"MTBA clarifies full-face helmet rule
Australia mountain bike governing body MTBA recently announced that
from July 1 2006, full-face helmets will be mandatory at all MTBA
sanctioned DH events. This week, the organisation further clarified the
rule by releasing a list of compliance standards. In short, the
organization states that competition helmets must carry the Australian
Standards compliance sticker or an international equivalent. The first
list of standards that MTBA will accept as an international equivalent
to the Australian/New Zealand Standard 2063 is as follows:

(1) ANSI Z90.4;
(2) Snell "B" or "N" series;
(3) ASTM F-1447.
(4) Canadian CAN/CSA-D113.2-M;
(5) U.S. CPSC standard for bicycle helmets;
(6) European CEN standard for bicycle helmets (EN1078)
Other international standards may be added from time to time."

I would be interested to know how "clear" are the "Australian road
rules" that Cycling Australia has cited. Are they so tight that
equivalent standards cannot be accommodated? The Queensland Road Rules
say:

"...approved bicycle helmet means a helmet that complies with-
(a) AS 2063.1 and 2063.2; or
(b) another standard the chief executive considers is at least equal to
that standard"

....so the flexibility is there, if the CE wanted to use it and CA
wanted to pursue it, by perhaps recommending to state transport
departments that they should recognise these other standards. CA seems
to accept these other standards are good enough for track and MTB, so
why not for the road?

I must remember to ask CA this question!!

Donga

I'm pretty sure BUT don't quote me on this, but you can use any helmet
for a road race as long as the course is closed to all traffic. Not a
rolling stoppage of traffic but a total road closure.

Nope...not anymore..
Only allowed other countries' standards for individual events like the
individual pursuit, and track time trials. ie on the Track Only. not for
any mass-start event.
I suspect an insurance issue rather than a road rules issue. If they were
really worried about the 'road rules' then we not be allowed to start unless
we have bikes with reflectors and bells.....
For the lastest update see here:
http://www.cycling.org.au/Content/NavigationMenu/AboutUs/Regulations/Technical_Regulations/2006TechRegAmendments.pdf

Gemma (owner of two aero helmets, which will have to come out once a year
for the pursuit :-(

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From the Cycling Australia website:

...so the flexibility is there, if the CE wanted to use it and CA
wanted to pursue it, by perhaps recommending to state transport
departments that they should recognise these other standards. CA seems
to accept these other standards are good enough for track and MTB, so
why not for the road?

Because the 'official importers' of helmets are also 'industry'. And
'industry' are the ones who set Australian Standards (not govt). And
despite the fact your helmet will most likely pass Australian Standards, it
does not by virtue that it does not have a little shiny sticker. So the
importers and manufacturers here who can afford the testing get to sell
helmets and others don't. It was actually illegal to sell helmets that did
not meet the standard. The ACCC got involved and this was overturned,
provided consumers are made aware that the helmet they are buying is 'not
for road use'. That is why you can buy some helmets with big warning
stickers on the box and label on the strap (but sitll contain a CPSP, ANSI
and CE sticker inside!!!)

Part of Australain Standards is mandatory testing. Other countries let
their industry 'self regulate' and certify their products as meeting the
standard - if they get caught labelling something that does not meet the
standard they get in deep poo. Here 'industry cannot be trusted' to do
self-certify and so samples from each batch are tested, which is why our
helmets are so expensive. Our standard is sufficiently different from other
countries too that it means our little standard keeps perpetuating, and
throws confusion on what is an 'equivalent standard'.
There is a pretty good comparison here: http://www.bhsi.org/stdcomp.htm
you can see how they're all the same but 'different'

Our standard is one of my pet hates!

:-(
Gemm

Steal a sticker from another helmet and stick it to yours? If the identical model is available here and is Aus Standards certified, an 'aftermarket' sticker should solve your problem.

Have never observed an official checking helmets for labels but this is a
classic case of letting sleeping dogs lie , if you ask the question to a
race organiser , from an insurance point of view he will be foolish to let
you ride after the fact. Saying that, I can think of some commisares from
the past one from SA & one NSW who would have relished checking everybody's
helmets.
Steve
Ideal

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Quoted message said:

Have never observed an official checking helmets for labels but this is a
classic case of letting sleeping dogs lie , if you ask the question to a
race organiser , from an insurance point of view he will be foolish to let
you ride after the fact. Saying that, I can think of some commisares
from the past one from SA & one NSW who would have relished checking
everybody's helmets.

At last year's Club Championships at Mooloolaba they checked _every_ helmet
at the time trial at the same time as the usual seat and handlebar check....

Gemma

leestevens said:

Donga said:

Quoted message said:

From the Cycling Australia website:

"The Australian Road Rules clearly demand that a bicycle helmet must
meet the Australian / New Zealand Standards. The AS/NZ 2063 Standard
does not recognise any other standard helmet from any other country.
Accordingly, only helmets that meet and carry the AS/ NZ Standards
approval are permitted for use on Australian Roads - including road
races conducted under the auspices of CA and its affiliates."

This means that to race not only would cost me the licence fee - also I
would have to buy a new helmet, because my helmet bought cheaply on the
internet doesn't have the sticker - even thought the same helmet is
approved ... and I'd have to pay the local price.

Here's an item from Cycling News, May 2, 2006. Foreign equivalent
standards are good enough for MTBA, and for Cycling Australia in the
case of track and MTB.

"MTBA clarifies full-face helmet rule
Australia mountain bike governing body MTBA recently announced that
from July 1 2006, full-face helmets will be mandatory at all MTBA
sanctioned DH events. This week, the organisation further clarified the
rule by releasing a list of compliance standards. In short, the
organization states that competition helmets must carry the Australian
Standards compliance sticker or an international equivalent. The first
list of standards that MTBA will accept as an international equivalent
to the Australian/New Zealand Standard 2063 is as follows:

(1) ANSI Z90.4;
(2) Snell "B" or "N" series;
(3) ASTM F-1447.
(4) Canadian CAN/CSA-D113.2-M;
(5) U.S. CPSC standard for bicycle helmets;
(6) European CEN standard for bicycle helmets (EN1078)
Other international standards may be added from time to time."

I would be interested to know how "clear" are the "Australian road
rules" that Cycling Australia has cited. Are they so tight that
equivalent standards cannot be accommodated? The Queensland Road Rules
say:

"...approved bicycle helmet means a helmet that complies with-
(a) AS 2063.1 and 2063.2; or
(b) another standard the chief executive considers is at least equal to
that standard"

....so the flexibility is there, if the CE wanted to use it and CA
wanted to pursue it, by perhaps recommending to state transport
departments that they should recognise these other standards. CA seems
to accept these other standards are good enough for track and MTB, so
why not for the road?

I must remember to ask CA this question!!

Donga

I'm pretty sure BUT don't quote me on this, but you can use any helmet
for a road race as long as the course is closed to all traffic. Not a
rolling stoppage of traffic but a total road closure.

Incorrect. See this :

3.5.03. A helmet must carry the relevant approval sticker confirming
approval
and certification to AS/NZ 2063 before a cyclist is permitted to start
in
any cycling event.

from :

http://www.vic.cycling.org.au/Rules%20and%20Officials/CycleSport%20Victoria%20-Technical%20Regulations%20%20-%20JANUARY%202006_.pdf

I understand it could occur a time-trials, I mean't road races (massed
start)
Steve
Ideal
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Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

Have never observed an official checking helmets for labels but this is a
classic case of letting sleeping dogs lie , if you ask the question to a
race organiser , from an insurance point of view he will be foolish to
let you ride after the fact. Saying that, I can think of some
commisares from the past one from SA & one NSW who would have relished
checking everybody's helmets.

At last year's Club Championships at Mooloolaba they checked _every_
helmet at the time trial at the same time as the usual seat and handlebar
check....

Gemma

Steve said:

I understand it could occur a time-trials, I mean't road races (massed
start)
Steve
Ideal
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Quoted message said:

"Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Have never observed an official checking helmets for labels but this is a
classic case of letting sleeping dogs lie , if you ask the question to a
race organiser , from an insurance point of view he will be foolish to
let you ride after the fact. Saying that, I can think of some
commisares from the past one from SA & one NSW who would have relished
checking everybody's helmets.

At last year's Club Championships at Mooloolaba they checked _every_
helmet at the time trial at the same time as the usual seat and handlebar
check....

Gemma

Three out of my four current helmets are direct imports and do not carry the Australian compliance sticker. They are all top of the range helmets that I have got cheap because they were last year's colour (thank the fashionistas for cheap bike gear, outdoor gear etc when this year's fashion colour changes).

My colleague in the next office to mine has a helmet that is about a million years old, has a shell cracked in 3 places and dodgy foam. She is legal. I am not. Pffft.

I have some old kids helmets which my girls have grown out of. I may have to do a 'stickerectomy' and graft them onto my foreign helmets.

SteveA