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  1. <soapbox>

    A few weeks ago I changed jobs and I now work in a pretty new building in
    the Melbourne CBD. The organisation is supposed to be very pro-bike and
    encourages employees to ride to work. They have got a really flash bike
    cage down in the basement carpark that has secure swipe card access and
    caters for over 100 bikes (wild [censored] guess on my side). There are lots of
    lockers and I have been told that some bike commuters were included in the
    stakeholder group when they designed the building and office layout a few
    years ago - not that you would know given the situation that I am faced
    with!!!

    In my old job I worked for Defence and I had a big double locker about 1m
    wide and over 2m tall that was located in a changerooom with about 40 other
    guys. I used to drive into work on a Sunday night every two weeks and drop
    off a stack of ironed shirts and pants and then I would take in socks,
    jocks, and singlets as I needed them. There was carpet on the floor, two
    ironing boards permanently set up, and plenty of chairs in the middle of the
    room. Although the room was not secure the environment was such that I felt
    comfortable leaving my $300+ helmet on top of my locker with my bike shoes
    and I would leave all of my bike gear hanging on the outside of my locker to
    air out and dry. I am only now realising just how lucky I was......

    In my new job I went to see about getting a locker and was able to secure
    one in the basement level where the bike rack is (good start I thought).
    Upon going down to the locker I discovered that it is located in an insecure
    room that can be accessed by anyone who is using the underground carpark
    (open to the public until 11pm every night). Then I find that the locker is
    one of those L-shaped lockers that is only half the height of the entire
    locker (effectively doubling the number of lockers but halving the size). I
    went back to see the locker guy to see if I could get a second locker but
    apparently that would be "special treatment" despite the fact that I ride to
    work every day and the fact that it was clear from the layers of dust in the
    locker room that not many of the lockers are being used (there are over 150
    lockers down there!!!). I couldn't convince the guy that in winter when it
    is wet I would have the following items that would be wet and sweaty:
    shoes, socks, shoe covers, leg warmers, knicks, undershirt, jersey, arm
    warmers, wind vest, waterproof jacket, beanie, helmet, gloves (inners and
    outers), reflective bands x 2, backpack cover. All this [censored] is not going
    to fit into one of the small lockers and I would not feel comfortable
    subjecting my workmates to having it hung up all around the office during
    the day. But of course there was to be no special allowances made for me!!!

    I did manage to get around the locker situation by scoring a key to a
    cupboard up on my floor that is supposed to be for file storage. I removed
    all but the top shelf and then wedged in a couple of bits of dowel on the
    underside of the shelf so that I can now hang stuff in there (shirts face
    forwards as the dowel goes from front to back) and I also have the top shelf
    for socks, jocks, singlets, etc.

    It is workable now but this is the logistics of it all and I am not looking
    forward to winter when I have to get back into wet clothes at the end of the
    day due to them being stuffed in a small locker and not being able to dry
    out:

    Get to work in the mornings and lock my bike in the cage in the basement
    level.
    Go to my downstairs locker and get a pair of shorts and T-shirt as well as
    my shower thongs and towel.
    Shower on basement level and change into shorts and T-shirt.
    Back to basement locker to hang up bike gear and put on runners.
    Lift to Ground floor then transfer to another bank of lifts.
    Lift to 37th floor.
    Get work clothes out of my upstairs cupboard.
    Change into work clothes in the disabled toilet on 37th floor.
    Put shorts, T-shirt, and runners back in upstairs cupboard ready for trip
    home.

    Finish work, get shorts, T-shirt, and runners and go to disabled toilet.
    Change into shorts etc.
    Back to cupboard and put back tie, belt, workshoes, shirt & pants (wear each
    twice (rotate through rest of clothes before wearing the 2nd time) before
    taking home to wash).
    Lift from 37th floor to ground floor (have to equalise pressure in my ears
    after this!).
    Transfer to second lift from ground to basement.
    Get bike clothes from locker.
    Go to men's toilets to change into bike gear
    Back to locker to drop of shorts etc for the next day and to get helmet,
    gloves, etc
    Go to bike lockup
    Ride home

    I think that there needs to be some serious education of employers and
    perhaps building designers to ensure that they are providing environments
    that are cyclist commuter friendly - particularly for those of us who have
    made the decision to ride every day. I like to think that I am doing my bit
    for the environment every day, not to mention my own health and it would be
    nice if my choice of transportation was more widely accepted and catered
    for.

    </soapbox>

    Gags

  2. In aus.bicycle on Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:22:49 +1100

    Gags said:


    It is workable now but this is the logistics of it all and I am not looking
    forward to winter when I have to get back into wet clothes at the end of the
    day due to them being stuffed in a small locker and not being able to dry
    out:

    Yeah, my employer's cycle facilities aren't well thought out either.
    The changerooms have no decent ventilation so they get humid enough in
    winter in summer you can towel all you like you won't get dry...

    What people here do is hang their wet things up in the bike cage.
    Lots of hangers hanging from the pipework that runs across the
    ceiling. Other drape the stuff over their bikes.

    I didn't have a locker or decent drying stuff at my previous place so
    I got in the habit of taking a spare set of shorts/shirt/socks with me
    to work. I will probably do the same here.

    Zebee

  3. Gags,

    wanna send me some details?

    f dutch at g mail . com

  4. Gags wrote:

    Basically, (at least here in sydney), anything goes. I've worked at some
    places that appear to have decent support for cyclists, yet in reality, it's
    as much fun as you found it. Other times, the building has absolutely no
    support for cyclists, yet, it works out just fine.

    If you can afford to be picky, it might be an employment condition for you.
    Worth asking around to see if anyone else rides, if so, how they handle things.

    I really don't see the building guys allowing for cyclists though,
    realistically, it costs money to cover only a very small part of the employee
    base.
    Really nice if they have showers, (though might only be feasible on the
    larger buildings) the rest I can work out myself. I'm not going to wait for
    some fat guy who drives a BMW to the boardroom to make the move for me.

    --
    Linux Registered User # 302622
    <http://counter.li.org>

  5. Gags said:

    <soapbox>Get to work in the mornings and lock my bike in the cage in the basement
    level.
    Go to my downstairs locker and get a pair of shorts and T-shirt as well as
    my shower thongs and towel.
    Shower on basement level and change into shorts and T-shirt.
    Back to basement locker to hang up bike gear and put on runners.
    Lift to Ground floor then transfer to another bank of lifts.
    Lift to 37th floor.
    Get work clothes out of my upstairs cupboard.
    Change into work clothes in the disabled toilet on 37th floor.
    Put shorts, T-shirt, and runners back in upstairs cupboard ready for trip
    home.

    Pfft. And people wonder why I have panniers? You've been spoiled mate.

    Not saying that we shouldn't be striving for utopia, just that many commuters are used to carrying the gear they need day by day 'cause there's no other choice.

  6. John Tserkezis said:

    I really don't see the building guys allowing for cyclists though,
    realistically, it costs money to cover only a very small part of the employee
    base.

    true..

    I think this is where the planning authorities need to step in.

    They are already limiting car spaces on new developments (such that
    there are only allowed to be X% of workforce car spaces).. they need
    to ensure that the transport alternatives are attractive as possible,
    or everyone ends up driving and clogging up the local streets (Sydney/
    North Ryde/Optus, anyone?)

    The bike locker is a start, but clearly showers, lockers etc need to
    be placed near them.

    To the OP; does the disabled toilet have a shower? I've used those
    in the past (to the obvious dismay of building maintenance staff...
    but if it is there.. then it must be available for use, no?)

    fwiw, my workplace has no 'dedicated' facilities at any of its sites
    (except a bike rack at one site).. but is very convenient: showers,
    and no narky issues with leaving bikes &/or clothes in corners of
    rooms where required.

    duncan

  7. Zebee Johnstone said:

    In aus.bicycle on Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:22:49 +1100

    Gags said:

    It is workable now but this is the logistics of it all and I am not looking
    forward to winter when I have to get back into wet clothes at the end of the
    day due to them being stuffed in a small locker and not being able to dry
    out:

    Yeah, my employer's cycle facilities aren't well thought out either.
    The changerooms have no decent ventilation so they get humid enough in
    winter in summer you can towel all you like you won't get dry...

    What people here do is hang their wet things up in the bike cage.
    Lots of hangers hanging from the pipework that runs across the
    ceiling. Other drape the stuff over their bikes.

    A trick that I find handy for drying out towels is to use two...

    Day one: get to work, shower, dry myself with my first towel. Take
    wet towel up to my desk (in the dry, air conditioned office) and drape
    it over anything handy. In the afternoon, take my second (dry) towel
    down to my locker.

    Day two: get to work, shower, dry myself with my second towel. Take
    wet towel up to my desk, swap with the first (which has now had about
    24 hours to dry out in the office). In the afternoon, take the first
    towel back to my locker again. Repeat as needed.

    Basically, don't underestimate the drying power of an air conditioned
    office.

    Quoted message said:

    I didn't have a locker or decent drying stuff at my previous place so
    I got in the habit of taking a spare set of shorts/shirt/socks with me
    to work. I will probably do the same here.

    Zebee

    Out of consideration for my workmates, I also take a second set of
    shorts/shirt with me. Otherwise my desk really starts to stink!!!

  8. Duncan said:

    I think this is where the planning authorities need to step in.

    They are already limiting car spaces on new developments (such that
    there are only allowed to be X% of workforce car spaces).. they need
    to ensure that the transport alternatives are attractive as possible,
    or everyone ends up driving and clogging up the local streets (Sydney/
    North Ryde/Optus, anyone?)

    Where I am now in North Lane Cove is a new Corporate park. Our building has
    no showers (non that we have access to anyway), the few bikes that do turn up
    are parked within our property on the balcony. I suspect these guys do the BO
    basher shower thing (lots of deodorant on top of the sweat).

    Underground parking is limited to the certain crowned few, outdoor parking
    is first come first served (since it's limited, that means forget it, unless
    you're happy with a ten minute walk). Motorcycle parking doesn't exist, so
    you either park within a car spot and hog an entire spot, or technically
    illegally on the path where you're out of the way.

    Public transport doesn't exist around that area. Just to make it funny,
    there was a proposed railway station almost across the road, but it's that
    section of track between Epping and Chatswood that now ISN'T going be built.

    --
    Linux Registered User # 302622
    <http://counter.li.org>

  9. On Oct 30, 11:18 am, EuanB <EuanB.2z8...@no-

    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:
    Gags said:

    <soapbox>Get to work in the mornings and lock my bike in the cage in the
    basement
    level.
    Go to my downstairs locker and get a pair of shorts and T-shirt as well
    as
    my shower thongs and towel.
    Shower on basement level and change into shorts and T-shirt.
    Back to basement locker to hang up bike gear and put on runners.
    Lift to Ground floor then transfer to another bank of lifts.
    Lift to 37th floor.
    Get work clothes out of my upstairs cupboard.
    Change into work clothes in the disabled toilet on 37th floor.
    Put shorts, T-shirt, and runners back in upstairs cupboard ready for
    trip
    home.

    Pfft. And people wonder why I have panniers? You've been spoiled
    mate.

    Not saying that we shouldn't be striving for utopia, just that many
    commuters are used to carrying the gear they need day by day 'cause
    there's no other choice.

    --
    EuanB

    Yep. I actually consider myself very lucky as I ride up to the door,
    take my bike (pannier still attached) inside and go up 2.5 flights of
    stairs to my office where the bike is safely stashed. Once the sweat
    has dried off I get changed in the spare office next door through the
    interconnecting door.

    Today I had to carry extras (shoes, socks, jocks and a towel) that I
    wouldn't normally take because it was raining. It still all fitted in
    one pannier though :-)

  10. John Tserkezis said:

    Where I am now in North Lane Cove is a new Corporate park. Our building has
    no showers (non that we have access to anyway), the few bikes that do turn up
    are parked within our property on the balcony. I suspect these guys do the BO
    basher shower thing (lots of deodorant on top of the sweat).

    That's my approach as there's no shower in my building (not sure if
    I'd really want to shower at work anyway). I air dry first then
    slather on the deoderant, I hope it works ok! I can smell other
    people's stinky BO so I'm assuming it does...

  11. Gags said:

    I went back to see the locker guy to see if I could get a second locker but
    apparently that would be "special treatment"

    Sorry if this is a duplicate, I thought I responded earlier, but
    I don't see my post:

    Suggest you ask a colleague to claim a locker for your use.
    Nothing that they can do about it really, and it has the added
    benefit of driving the locker nazi wild :-)

  12. In aus.bicycle on Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:11:13 -0000

    Quoted message said:


    Yep. I actually consider myself very lucky as I ride up to the door,
    take my bike (pannier still attached) inside and go up 2.5 flights of
    stairs to my office where the bike is safely stashed. Once the sweat
    has dried off I get changed in the spare office next door through the
    interconnecting door.

    Previous building I would ride up to the door (and sometimes through
    it... automatic door!), take the bike up in the lift, and stow it in
    the lunchroom. Then grab pannier and head 2 flights of stairs (lift
    didn't go that far) to the shower. Shower, leave towel and sweaty
    gear there on one of many hooks along with other people's stuff,
    change into work clothes, back down stairs.

    Now I ride into carpark, park in cage, grab towel from hanger in cage,
    go through swipecard locked door into changeroom, shower, change into
    work gear leaving bike gear in locker, put towel back in cage, and
    head up in the lift.

    THis of course means that you buy work clothes that will cope with
    being in panniers.

    As I'm a sysadmin, black jeans and t-shirt are the usual attire so
    that's easy. I don't bother with the boots unless I'm on the
    motorcycle, just comfortable shoes.

    Zebee

  13. Zebee Johnstone said:

    In aus.bicycle on Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:11:13 -0000
    Previous building I would ride up to the door (and sometimes through
    it... automatic door!), take the bike up in the lift, and stow it in
    the lunchroom.

    We're not talking about the baby beemer though Zeebe ;-)

  14. In aus.bicycle on Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:40:17 -0000

    Quoted message said:
    Zebee Johnstone said:

    In aus.bicycle on Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:11:13 -0000
    Previous building I would ride up to the door (and sometimes through
    it... automatic door!), take the bike up in the lift, and stow it in
    the lunchroom.

    We're not talking about the baby beemer though Zeebe ;-)

    Heh.

    You think you are joking.

    In fact when I worked for UNSW the baby Beemer did ride up in the
    freight elevator and get stowed in a plant room with the bicycles!

    That's cos the building janitor saw me arrive on it one day and said
    "you can't leave a lovely bike like that out here with students[1]
    about, go round the side and use the freight elevator"

    Zebee

    [1] Which, as all workers at universities know, is a swear word.

  15. Zebee Johnstone said:

    In aus.bicycle on Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:40:17 -0000

    Quoted message said:
    Zebee Johnstone said:

    In aus.bicycle on Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:11:13 -0000
    Previous building I would ride up to the door (and sometimes through
    it... automatic door!), take the bike up in the lift, and stow it in
    the lunchroom.

    Quoted message said:

    We're not talking about the baby beemer though Zeebe ;-)

    Heh.

    You think you are joking.

    No I recalled the story :-)

    Quoted message said:

    In fact when I worked for UNSW the baby Beemer did ride up in the
    freight elevator and get stowed in a plant room with the bicycles!

    I knew there was the baby Beemer, a lift and a room involved.

  16. Gags said:

    I went back to see the locker guy to see if I could get a second locker but
    apparently that would be "special treatment"

    How about you ask one of your colleagues to get
    a second locker for you? Not much they can do about
    that, and it will drive the locker nazi wild:-)

  17. John Tserkezis said:

    I really don't see the building guys allowing for cyclists though,
    realistically, it costs money to cover only a very small part of the employee
    base.

    true..

    I think this is where the planning authorities need to step in.

    They are already limiting car spaces on new developments (such that
    there are only allowed to be X% of workforce car spaces).. they need
    to ensure that the transport alternatives are attractive as possible,
    or everyone ends up driving and clogging up the local streets (Sydney/
    North Ryde/Optus, anyone?)

    The bike locker is a start, but clearly showers, lockers etc need to
    be placed near them.

    To the OP; does the disabled toilet have a shower? I've used those
    in the past (to the obvious dismay of building maintenance staff...
    but if it is there.. then it must be available for use, no?)

    fwiw, my workplace has no 'dedicated' facilities at any of its sites
    (except a bike rack at one site).. but is very convenient: showers,
    and no narky issues with leaving bikes &/or clothes in corners of
    rooms where required.

    duncan

  18. brucef said:

    On Oct 29, 11:22 pm, "Gags" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Suggest you ask a colleague to claim a locker for your use.
    Nothing that they can do about it really, and it has the added
    benefit of driving the locker nazi wild :-)

    Or, tin snips and araldite.

  19. In aus.bicycle on 29 Oct 2007 23:56:18 -0700

    Duncan said:

    there are only allowed to be X% of workforce car spaces).. they need
    to ensure that the transport alternatives are attractive as possible,
    or everyone ends up driving and clogging up the local streets (Sydney/
    North Ryde/Optus, anyone?)

    Optus has cages, showers, lockers. And have been a bit surprised by
    the demand!

    But anyone cycling to North Ryde has to climb that big ridge, and has
    to try and find a way to get there... many people live in the West and
    cycling from there to North Ryde sucks.

    They are saying they'll improve the facilities, nothing will improve
    the cycling routes.

    Zebee

  20. Gags said:

    I went back to see the locker guy to see if I could get a second locker but
    apparently that would be "special treatment"

    Sorry if this is a duplicate, I thought I responded earlier, but
    I don't see my post:

    Suggest you ask a colleague to claim a locker for your use.
    Nothing that they can do about it really, and it has the added
    benefit of driving the locker nazi wild :-)

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