"Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep"

But a lot easier to hit one while driving or hunting...

-Nick

Mike Vandeman wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback riding....

Mike

Thu, 07 Jul 2005:
From: [email hidden]
Subject: Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep

Not sure how often this happens at Tolt, but I am on my second time now.

On the Tuesday Night at Tolt ride, Iain and I were flying way ahead of the

group

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on '76. I came around the corner and locked up the brakes to avoid hitting

the

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young deer standing on the trail. I was close enough to touch it, and it

just

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stayed put into the other riders arrived..

Second time was coming down IAB alone at night this past winter and just

about

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nailed two deer crossing the trail. I found Bike lights have the same

effect on

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Deer as car lights, they become paralyzed and don't move.

Obviously lower on the cool factor then the Bear, that Eric C. encounterd

at

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Whistler, but cool all the same.

Erik

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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Years ago my gf nearly ran into a deer crossing a wide alpine ski trail at a
little resort. She was so focused on skiing she didn't notice it wasn't
another skiier, but I saw it from a distance. She told me a story about
nearly hitting a deer while mountain biking. I guess it isn't that unusual.

She finally hit a deer with the car last year and it did a lot of damage.
Again, she didn't see it, but I did. She was driving. Wouldn't have made any
difference though because the deer ran into our car at full speed trying to
get away from a guy doing some mowing.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback
riding....

Mike

Thu, 07 Jul 2005:
From: [email hidden]
Subject: Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep

Not sure how often this happens at Tolt, but I am on my second time now.

On the Tuesday Night at Tolt ride, Iain and I were flying way ahead of the
group
on '76. I came around the corner and locked up the brakes to avoid
hitting the
young deer standing on the trail. I was close enough to touch it, and it
just
stayed put into the other riders arrived..

Second time was coming down IAB alone at night this past winter and just
about
nailed two deer crossing the trail. I found Bike lights have the same
effect on
Deer as car lights, they become paralyzed and don't move.

Obviously lower on the cool factor then the Bear, that Eric C. encounterd
at
Whistler, but cool all the same.

Erik

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback

riding....

Quoted message said:

Mike

Thu, 07 Jul 2005:
From: [email hidden]
Subject: Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep

Not sure how often this happens at Tolt, but I am on my second time now.

On the Tuesday Night at Tolt ride, Iain and I were flying way ahead of the

group

Quoted message said:

on '76. I came around the corner and locked up the brakes to avoid

hitting the

Quoted message said:

young deer standing on the trail. I was close enough to touch it, and it

just

Quoted message said:

stayed put into the other riders arrived..

Second time was coming down IAB alone at night this past winter and just

about

Quoted message said:

nailed two deer crossing the trail. I found Bike lights have the same

effect on

Quoted message said:

Deer as car lights, they become paralyzed and don't move.

Obviously lower on the cool factor then the Bear, that Eric C. encounterd

at

Quoted message said:

Whistler, but cool all the same.

Erik

Taken from http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=488&q=153905

For both study sites combined, predation was the greatest source of
mortality, accounting for deaths of 22.5% (95% CI = 17.6-28.8) of captured
fawns and 46.2% (95% CI = 37.6-56.7) of mortalities through 34 weeks.
Natural causes, excluding predation, were the second leading cause of death,
accounting for deaths of 13.3% (95% CI = 9.5-18.6) of captured fawns and
27.4% (95% CI = 20.1-37.3) of mortalities. Vehicle accidents accounted for
deaths of 9 fawns. Hunting accounted for deaths of 7 monitored fawns.

So, I suggest you go take on the NRA if deer death is so important to you.
Or the off road vehicle movement, something else you choose to ignore.

At Fri, 08 Jul 2005 03:12:11 GMT, message
<[email hidden]> was posted by Mike
Vandeman <[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the
following:

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback riding....

No, it's dead easy while hiking. Drop to one knee, chamber the round
and shoot. Most hunters go on foot or in ATVs, most mountain bikers
prefer to look at wildlife rather than shoot it. Sheesh, Mike, you
really have lost the plot!

Guy
--
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85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

So do cars,trucks,motorcycles,doors,
fences,windows,walls,and maybe you.

* Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback riding....

Mike

So obviously deer aren't scared by mountain bikers at all then.

Jason

Jason said:

* Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback
riding....

Mike

So obviously deer aren't scared by mountain bikers at all then.

Jason

The ones at Snowshoe WV aren't. You can ride right up to them. They'll
step just off the trail with a mouthfull of ferns until you pass by. It's
really cool to see.

Mike

V-man,
Let me help you help your deer. Go to http://www.muledeer.org and get
involved.

You should google on "mule deer". You would find that the biggest threats
to your four (4) legged friends is urban development, highways,
deforestation, etc... Mountain biking doesn't even register as a major
factor.

DUH!
Charlie Maxwell

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback
riding....

Mike

Thu, 07 Jul 2005:
From: [email hidden]
Subject: Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep

Not sure how often this happens at Tolt, but I am on my second time now.

On the Tuesday Night at Tolt ride, Iain and I were flying way ahead of the
group
on '76. I came around the corner and locked up the brakes to avoid
hitting the
young deer standing on the trail. I was close enough to touch it, and it
just
stayed put into the other riders arrived..

Second time was coming down IAB alone at night this past winter and just
about
nailed two deer crossing the trail. I found Bike lights have the same
effect on
Deer as car lights, they become paralyzed and don't move.

Obviously lower on the cool factor then the Bear, that Eric C. encounterd
at
Whistler, but cool all the same.

Erik

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It's rather difficult to do....

Now Mikey thinks deer and mountain bikers are conspiring against him.

Maybe deer like single track.

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Mike you foole, he didn't hit anything, only approached them. The fact
that he could approach within touching range also shoots holes in you
theory about bikes scaring wildlife too eh?

I was following a 1/4 block behind a friend once walking home from the
pub and he walked right square into the side of a bull elk, bounced off
on his ass and got up to walk around it and continue home. The elk
never budged.

So Hikers 'can' hit wildlife, but the biker didn't...

LOL!

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Vandeman said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback riding....

Mike

Thu, 07 Jul 2005:
From: [email hidden]
Subject: Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep

Not sure how often this happens at Tolt, but I am on my second time now.

On the Tuesday Night at Tolt ride, Iain and I were flying way ahead of the group
on '76. I came around the corner and locked up the brakes to avoid hitting the
young deer standing on the trail. I was close enough to touch it, and it just
stayed put into the other riders arrived..

Second time was coming down IAB alone at night this past winter and just about
nailed two deer crossing the trail. I found Bike lights have the same effect on
Deer as car lights, they become paralyzed and don't move.

Obviously lower on the cool factor then the Bear, that Eric C. encounterd at
Whistler, but cool all the same.

Erik

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

You been smokin' something Mike? Really, we mountain bikers and deer are
not out to get you!

Definition of collusion from the Encarta Dicionary: English (North America)
Collusion col-lu-sion (noun) Secret cooperation between people in order
to do something illegal or underhanded.

You are a GENIOUS V-man!

DUH!

Charlie Maxwell

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback
riding....

Mike

Thu, 07 Jul 2005:
From: [email hidden]
Subject: Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep

Not sure how often this happens at Tolt, but I am on my second time now.

On the Tuesday Night at Tolt ride, Iain and I were flying way ahead of the
group
on '76. I came around the corner and locked up the brakes to avoid
hitting the
young deer standing on the trail. I was close enough to touch it, and it
just
stayed put into the other riders arrived..

Second time was coming down IAB alone at night this past winter and just
about
nailed two deer crossing the trail. I found Bike lights have the same
effect on
Deer as car lights, they become paralyzed and don't move.

Obviously lower on the cool factor then the Bear, that Eric C. encounterd
at
Whistler, but cool all the same.

Erik

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Per Jason:

Quoted message said:

So obviously deer aren't scared by mountain bikers at all then.

I think it depends on how desensitized they are.

In Valley Forge Park, for instance, you practically have to chase them out of
the way.

Go a little upstate, however, and it's a challenge to get with in a hundred
yards of one.
--
PeteCresswell

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback
riding....

Mike

Where in this does it say the cyclist hit the deer? I see "avoid hitting"
and "just about nailed" but I see nothing stating that any deer were
actually hit.
Again with a "sensational" and misleading heading? Is this the intellectual
credibility that is in demand at these conferences you attend?

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback
riding....

Mike

Thu, 07 Jul 2005:
From: [email hidden]
Subject: Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep

Not sure how often this happens at Tolt, but I am on my second time now.

On the Tuesday Night at Tolt ride, Iain and I were flying way ahead of the
group
on '76. I came around the corner and locked up the brakes to avoid
hitting the
young deer standing on the trail. I was close enough to touch it, and it
just
stayed put into the other riders arrived..

Second time was coming down IAB alone at night this past winter and just
about
nailed two deer crossing the trail. I found Bike lights have the same
effect on
Deer as car lights, they become paralyzed and don't move.

Obviously lower on the cool factor then the Bear, that Eric C. encounterd
at
Whistler, but cool all the same.

Erik

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Where does it say he hit the deer? It doesn't, Dingleberry. So you lied.
It says he "almost" hit the deer.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback

riding....

Quoted message said:

Mike

Thu, 07 Jul 2005:
From: [email hidden]
Subject: Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep

Not sure how often this happens at Tolt, but I am on my second time now.

On the Tuesday Night at Tolt ride, Iain and I were flying way ahead of the

group

Quoted message said:

on '76. I came around the corner and locked up the brakes to avoid

hitting the

Quoted message said:

young deer standing on the trail. I was close enough to touch it, and it

just

Quoted message said:

stayed put into the other riders arrived..

Didn't hit the deer that was standing in the trail, and apparently made no
attempt to move in response to the arrival of humans.

This seems like a blow to the theory that deer will always take flight to
escape people. It seems that people walking up on the deer is just as likely
in this instance as people coming upon the deer while riding bikes.

Quoted message said:

Second time was coming down IAB alone at night this past winter and just

about

Quoted message said:

nailed two deer crossing the trail. I found Bike lights have the same

effect on

Quoted message said:

Deer as car lights, they become paralyzed and don't move.

Looks like another miss to me.

When I was a kid, my folks shipped me off to summer camp. We went for an
overnight hike from the camp to the beach at Malibu. While camping under the
stars that night, one of the kids woke us all up with a blood curdling
scream, a young deer found his sleeping bag was just the right spot to curl
up for the night. The next morning, the young deer and his mother remained
in the camping area with us as we had breakfast. We probably shouldn't have
done it, but we fed them pancakes and sausage.

"po" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Years ago my gf nearly ran into a deer crossing a wide alpine ski trail at

a

Quoted message said:

little resort. She was so focused on skiing she didn't notice it wasn't
another skiier, but I saw it from a distance. She told me a story about
nearly hitting a deer while mountain biking. I guess it isn't that

unusual.

Quoted message said:

She finally hit a deer with the car last year and it did a lot of damage.
Again, she didn't see it, but I did. She was driving. Wouldn't have made

any

Quoted message said:

difference though because the deer ran into our car at full speed trying

to

Quoted message said:

get away from a guy doing some mowing.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback
riding....

Mike

Thu, 07 Jul 2005:
From: [email hidden]
Subject: Bike / Deer collusions do they happen? Yep

Not sure how often this happens at Tolt, but I am on my second time now.

On the Tuesday Night at Tolt ride, Iain and I were flying way ahead of

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

group
on '76. I came around the corner and locked up the brakes to avoid
hitting the
young deer standing on the trail. I was close enough to touch it, and

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just
stayed put into the other riders arrived..

Second time was coming down IAB alone at night this past winter and just
about
nailed two deer crossing the trail. I found Bike lights have the same
effect on
Deer as car lights, they become paralyzed and don't move.

Obviously lower on the cool factor then the Bear, that Eric C.

encounterd

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

at
Whistler, but cool all the same.

Erik

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Read the Subject again... "Bike / Deer collusions"

Definition of collusion from the Encarta Dictionary: English (North America)
Collusion col-lu-sion (noun) Secret cooperation between people in order
to do something illegal or underhanded.

Mike has been smoking crack again and says that we are conspiring with the
deer against him to build illeagal jumps and trails. Sounds like something
that would happen at http://www.muledeer.org ;o) So is illegal for dear to
create trails now???

Cheers!
Charlie Maxwell

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"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It's rather difficult to do hit a deer while hiking or horseback
riding....

Mike

Where in this does it say the cyclist hit the deer? I see "avoid hitting"
and "just about nailed" but I see nothing stating that any deer were
actually hit.
Again with a "sensational" and misleading heading? Is this the
intellectual credibility that is in demand at these conferences you
attend?

"lowkey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It's rather difficult to do....

Now Mikey thinks deer and mountain bikers are conspiring against him.

More paranoia from Mikey,
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Paranoia

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Maybe deer like single track.

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Gee, it's kind of hard to imagine a bike and a deer plotting a conspiracy.

Oh, you meant "collision" ? Never mind.