Bike and AMericans

"Red Cloud" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's like
asking a question to aliens. Aliens from out of space
would not ride a bike like americans would. Bicycle is
like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly item to most
American. And is not part of American lives. Americans
don't much care about bike when they are addicted to clean
their automobile.

For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as a
transportation machine. That all that is. Most Probably
only 2% or 3% American riding a bike everyday. Most of
them are poor underclass who can't afford car.

I go to any American college and count how many bike I see
parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in a
local college, to count the number of bikes inside of
campus, the number is less than 20 or less. I will never
see here in American campus the tremendous number of bikes
parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford (I
wonder how could find your bike)

Red Cloud,

From your other post on this newsgroup, you obviously live
in California. Taking California as representative of all of
America is like taking television programming as
representative of real life.

I wish cycling were more popular here, but it's not as
unpopular as you make it out to be. The love affair with the
car stems in part from the fact that we have land here.
We're not piled on top of each other like in some European
countries. And we're allowed to own land here ... unlike in
some countries. The distances between our places are more
vast. Maybe not where you are in California, but it's true
in many other places. We have longer distances to travel and
we have a good road system to facilitate it.

But some of the largest and most successful bicycle
companies are here and we're an important export market for
European and Asian bicycle companies. Some of those bikes
gather dust in people's garages. Some actually get used ...
regularly.

I attended a cycling event yesterday in a remote town
called Clark's Hill, SC. I don't know what the population
is there, but it's VERY small. The event drew from miles
around, though and hundreds of people showed up -- hundreds
of mostly very fit and healthy Americans who love to ride
their bikes.

Don't judge America by California. Don't call the USA
"America," either ... Canadians and Mexicans and others get
offended 'cuz they're American's, too.

I heard a good one the other day ... how many Frenchmen does
it take to defend Paris? Nobody knows ... it's never been
done. I guess all Frenchmen are cowards, eh?

Bob C.

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I go to any American college and count how many bike I see
parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in a
local college, to count the number of bikes inside of
campus, the number is less than 20 or less. I will never
see here in American campus the tremendous number of bikes
parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford (I
wonder how could find your bike)

Note how he suggest he in US. In other thread he call
himself American. Note how Yahoo address is .UK.

How troll continues because we feed him!

Austin

Good post, unfortunately this guy looks like a troll. Most
of his observations are likely true, but he displays no
understanding of why there are differences with Europe, and
yet in the same breath is making an implied judgement.

Also, an observation from a Canadian, most of us do not
think of ourselves as Americans, perhaps we are better
described as North Americans. I think that for most of the
rest of the world including Canada the term 'American'
applies to the USA.

Sniffinvinyl

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"Red Cloud" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's
like asking a question to aliens. Aliens from out of
space would not ride a bike like americans would.
Bicycle is like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly
item to most American. And is not part of American
lives. Americans don't much care about bike when they
are addicted to clean their automobile.

For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as a
transportation machine. That all that is. Most Probably
only 2% or 3% American riding a bike everyday. Most of
them are poor underclass who can't afford car.

I go to any American college and count how many bike I
see parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in
a local college, to count the number of bikes inside of
campus, the number is less than 20 or less. I will never
see here in American campus the tremendous number of
bikes parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford
(I wonder how could find your bike)

Red Cloud,

From your other post on this newsgroup, you obviously live
in California. Taking California as representative of all
of America is like taking television programming as
representative of real life.

I wish cycling were more popular here, but it's not as
unpopular as you

make

Quoted message said:

it out to be. The love affair with the car stems in part
from the fact

that

Quoted message said:

we have land here. We're not piled on top of each other
like in some European countries. And we're allowed to own
land here ... unlike in some countries. The distances
between our places are more vast. Maybe not

where

Quoted message said:

you are in California, but it's true in many other places.
We have longer distances to travel and we have a good road
system to facilitate it.

But some of the largest and most successful bicycle
companies are here and we're an important export market
for European and Asian bicycle companies. Some of those
bikes gather dust in people's garages. Some actually get

used

Quoted message said:

... regularly.

I attended a cycling event yesterday in a remote town
called Clark's Hill, SC. I don't know what the population
is there, but it's VERY small. The event drew from miles
around, though and hundreds of people showed up --
hundreds of mostly very fit and healthy Americans who love
to ride their bikes.

Don't judge America by California. Don't call the USA
"America," either

...

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Canadians and Mexicans and others get offended 'cuz
they're American's,

too.

Quoted message said:

I heard a good one the other day ... how many Frenchmen
does it take to defend Paris? Nobody knows ... it's never
been done. I guess all

Frenchmen

Quoted message said:

are cowards, eh?

Bob C.

"Red Cloud" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's like
asking a question to aliens. Aliens from out of space
would not ride a bike like americans would. Bicycle is
like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly item to most
American. And is not part of American lives. Americans
don't much care about bike when they are addicted to clean
their automobile.

For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as a
transportation machine. That all that is. Most Probably
only 2% or 3% American riding a bike everyday. Most of
them are poor underclass who can't afford car.

I go to any American college and count how many bike I see
parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in a
local college, to count the number of bikes inside of
campus, the number is less than 20 or less. I will never
see here in American campus the tremendous number of bikes
parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford (I
wonder how could find your bike)

Try visiting the campus of the University of California, at
Davis. Finding a parking place for your bike is difficult at
times. They provide secure parking facilities for bikes,
have special traffic signals just for bikes, and even have a
student-funded on campus bike repair facility on campus.

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Software for Cyclists

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Quoted message said:

To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's like
asking a question to aliens. Aliens from out of space
would not ride a bike like americans would. Bicycle is
like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly item to most
American. And is not part of American lives. Americans
don't much care about bike when they are addicted to clean
their automobile.

For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as a
transportation machine. That all that is. Most Probably
only 2% or 3% American riding a bike everyday. Most of
them are poor underclass who can't afford car.

I go to any American college and count how many bike I see
parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in a
local college, to count the number of bikes inside of
campus, the number is less than 20 or less. I will never
see here in American campus the tremendous number of bikes
parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford (I
wonder how could find your bike)

Before becoming very critical of American society, you might
try to improve your English, it would make your position
more credible.

Red Cloud said:

I go to any American college and count how many bike I see
parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in a
local college, to count the number of bikes inside of
campus, the number is less than 20 or less. I will never
see here in American campus the tremendous number of bikes
parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford (I
wonder how could find your bike)

Maybe yours is an urban campus that's not as "bike
friendly".

Different USA campuses are different. Visit Stanford or UC
Davis in California, and you would be shocked by the number
of cyclists. At Stanford, the 10-minute period between
classes is pure bedlam as the cyclists ride from one
classroom to another. It would be difficult to get between
distant classrooms in time without a bike, and using a car
is out of the question.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA bike.terrymorse.combike.terrymorse.comOpen ↗

"psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Red Cloud" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's
like asking a question to aliens. Aliens from out of
space would not ride a bike like americans would.
Bicycle is like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly
item to most American. And is not part of American
lives. Americans don't much care about bike when they
are addicted to clean their automobile.

For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as a
transportation machine. That all that is. Most Probably
only 2% or 3% American riding a bike everyday. Most of
them are poor underclass who can't afford car.

I go to any American college and count how many bike I
see parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in
a local college, to count the number of bikes inside of
campus, the number is less than 20 or less. I will never
see here in American campus the tremendous number of
bikes parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford
(I wonder how could find your bike)

Red Cloud,

From your other post on this newsgroup, you obviously live
in California. Taking California as representative of all
of America is like taking television programming as
representative of real life.

I wish cycling were more popular here, but it's not as
unpopular as you make it out to be. The love affair with
the car stems in part from the fact that we have land
here. We're not piled on top of each other like in some
European countries. And we're allowed to own land here ...
unlike in some countries. The distances between our places
are more vast. Maybe not where you are in California, but
it's true in many other places. We have longer distances
to travel and we have a good road system to facilitate it.

But some of the largest and most successful bicycle
companies are here and we're an important export market
for European and Asian bicycle companies. Some of those
bikes gather dust in people's garages. Some actually get
used ... regularly.

I attended a cycling event yesterday in a remote town
called Clark's Hill, SC. I don't know what the population
is there, but it's VERY small. The event drew from miles
around, though and hundreds of people showed up --
hundreds of mostly very fit and healthy Americans who love
to ride their bikes.

Don't judge America by California. Don't call the USA
"America," either ... Canadians and Mexicans and others
get offended 'cuz they're American's, too.

I heard a good one the other day ... how many Frenchmen
does it take to defend Paris? Nobody knows ... it's never
been done. I guess all Frenchmen are cowards, eh?

Bob C.

How about comparing European city with American city (OK
use America not USA) regarding the popularity of bicycle?

Clark's HIll SC bike gathering is just a political show
which is very popular in America. It's just political show
using bicycle. Probably those only rides a bike on that
show probably never ride a bike as a transporation.

So your writing is worthless. It's even stupid naive and
arrogant which is normal to being Americans.

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Red Cloud <[email hidden]>

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I go to any American college and count how many bike I
see parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in
a local college, to count the number of bikes inside of
campus, the number is less than 20 or less. I will never
see here in American campus the tremendous number of
bikes parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford
(I wonder how could find your bike)

Note how he suggest he in US. In other thread he call
himself American. Note how Yahoo address is .UK.

How troll continues because we feed him!

Austin

YOu are right that I'm in aMerica not UK but you are wrong
about trolling. I'm here to make a point not trolling. I
don't even watch TV OK! YOu watch American TV, you are
feeding to all the trolling TV program. That's why I never
watch propaganda American TV. I rather watch BBC.

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"Red Cloud" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's
like asking a question to aliens. Aliens from out of
space would not ride a bike like americans would.
Bicycle is like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly
item to most American. And is not part of American
lives. Americans don't much care about bike when they
are addicted to clean their automobile.

For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as a
transportation machine. That all that is. Most Probably
only 2% or 3% American riding a bike everyday. Most of
them are poor underclass who can't afford car.

I go to any American college and count how many bike I
see parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in
a local college, to count the number of bikes inside of
campus, the number is less than 20 or less. I will never
see here in American campus the tremendous number of
bikes parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford
(I wonder how could find your bike)

Try visiting the campus of the University of California,
at Davis. Finding a parking place for your bike is
difficult at times. They provide secure parking facilities
for bikes, have special traffic signals just for bikes,
and even have a student-funded on campus bike repair
facility on campus.

HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus? I
don't see much bike in CSU Los angeles?

"SniffinVinyl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Good post, unfortunately this guy looks like a troll. Most
of his observations are likely true, but he displays no
understanding of why there are differences with Europe,
and yet in the same breath is making an implied judgement.

I feel sad you think I'm trolling. I'm making a point
regardign the most important aspect of bicycle. How could
that be trolling?

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Also, an observation from a Canadian, most of us do not
think of ourselves as Americans, perhaps we are better
described as North Americans. I think that for most of the
rest of the world including Canada the term 'American'
applies to the USA.

I myself quite surprise Canadian perception regarding their
relathionship with American. It seems to me Canadian, if
not the most anti-American, is very anti-american. Is not
true that Canadian try to get close to EU's socialism than
Bush-American neo-nazism?

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Sniffinvinyl

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"psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Red Cloud" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's
like asking a question to aliens. Aliens from out of
space would not ride a bike like americans would.
Bicycle is like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly
item to most American. And is not part of American
lives. Americans don't much care about bike when they
are addicted to clean their automobile.

For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as
a transportation machine. That all that is. Most
Probably only 2% or 3% American riding a bike
everyday. Most of them are poor underclass who can't
afford car.

I go to any American college and count how many bike I
see parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city
in a local college, to count the number of bikes
inside of campus, the number is less than 20 or less.
I will never see here in American campus the
tremendous number of bikes parked in English campus
like Cambridge or Oxford (I wonder how could find your
bike)

Red Cloud,

From your other post on this newsgroup, you obviously
live in California. Taking California as representative
of all of America is like taking television programming
as representative of real life.

I wish cycling were more popular here, but it's not as
unpopular as you

make

Quoted message said:

it out to be. The love affair with the car stems in part
from the fact

that

Quoted message said:

we have land here. We're not piled on top of each other
like in some European countries. And we're allowed to
own land here ... unlike in some countries. The
distances between our places are more vast. Maybe not

where

Quoted message said:

you are in California, but it's true in many other
places. We have longer distances to travel and we have a
good road system to facilitate it.

But some of the largest and most successful bicycle
companies are here and we're an important export market
for European and Asian bicycle companies. Some of those
bikes gather dust in people's garages. Some actually get

used

Quoted message said:

... regularly.

I attended a cycling event yesterday in a remote town
called Clark's Hill, SC. I don't know what the
population is there, but it's VERY small. The event drew
from miles around, though and hundreds of people showed
up -- hundreds of mostly very fit and healthy Americans
who love to ride their bikes.

Don't judge America by California. Don't call the USA
"America," either

...

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Canadians and Mexicans and others get offended 'cuz
they're American's,

too.

Quoted message said:

I heard a good one the other day ... how many Frenchmen
does it take to defend Paris? Nobody knows ... it's
never been done. I guess all

Frenchmen

Quoted message said:

are cowards, eh?

Bob C.

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"Red Cloud" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's
like asking a question to aliens. Aliens from out of
space would not ride a bike like americans would.
Bicycle is like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly
item to most American. And is not part of American
lives. Americans don't much care about bike when they
are addicted to clean their automobile.

For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as
a transportation machine. That all that is. Most
Probably only 2% or 3% American riding a bike
everyday. Most of them are poor underclass who can't
afford car.

I go to any American college and count how many bike I
see parked in bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city
in a local college, to count the number of bikes
inside of campus, the number is less than 20 or less.
I will never see here in American campus the
tremendous number of bikes parked in English campus
like Cambridge or Oxford (I wonder how could find your
bike)

Try visiting the campus of the University of California,
at Davis.

Finding

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a parking place for your bike is difficult at times.
They provide

secure

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parking facilities for bikes, have special traffic
signals just for

bikes,

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and even have a student-funded on campus bike repair
facility on campus.

HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus? I
don't see much bike in CSU Los angeles?

I don't know about LA, but UC Davis has THOUSANDS of bikes
on campus every day. So does CSU Chico.

GG

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:19:13 -0700, "GaryG"

garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

I don't know about LA, but UC Davis has THOUSANDS of bikes
on campus every day. So does CSU Chico.

GG

He has trouble seeing them from that .UK address that
someone else mentioned.

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...

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HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus? I
don't see much bike in CSU Los angeles?

Do you see much grammar at CSULA?

Bob said:

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HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus? I
don't see much bike in CSU Los angeles?

Do you see much grammar at CSULA?

He would in my friend Ivan's class (ESL) -- a popular
one at CSULA.

Matt O.

Red Cloud said:

HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus? I
don't see much bike in CSU Los angeles?

The City of Davis is reported to have about 50,000 bicycles,
roughly one bicycle per person. Some 20% of trips in Davis
are made by bicycle.
bikeleague.orgmedprs22.htmOpen ↗

And here's my town, not quite as impressive, but still
pretty good:

"In Palo Alto, remarkable 4.4% of all trips are by bicycle.
Palo Alto encourages city employees to bike to work by
offering them a $20 monthly stipend. The city supports a
Bikestation, a staffed bike parking facility that serves
some 50 cyclists per day, and provides bike lockers at
transit hubs and in its business district. Palo Alto schools
have a part-time coordinator who teaches a bicycle
curriculum to children in the third, fifth and sixth grades.
Younger children are introduced to traffic and helmet safety
in a Safe Moves program."
bikeleague.orgmedprs051503.htmOpen ↗

Los Angeles is the worst example of American car culture.
But Los Angeles does not equal California, and it really
does not equal the USA.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA bike.terrymorse.combike.terrymorse.comOpen ↗

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bikes,

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and even have a student-funded on campus bike repair
facility on campus.

HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus?
I don't see much bike in CSU Los angeles?

I don't know about LA, but UC Davis has THOUSANDS of bikes
on campus every day. So does CSU Chico.

GG

Hardly believe UC David has a thousand bike, but CSULA,
CSULB, CSUF, CSU Domingze Hill has no much biker. I saw
more skateboard rider than Bike rider. Defintely bike is
not popular around here.

Terry Morse said:

Red Cloud said:

HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus? I
don't see much bike in CSU Los angeles?

The City of Davis is reported to have about 50,000
bicycles, roughly one bicycle per person. Some 20% of
trips in Davis are made by bicycle.
bikeleague.orgmedprs22.htmOpen ↗

And here's my town, not quite as impressive, but still
pretty good:

"In Palo Alto, remarkable 4.4% of all trips are by
bicycle. Palo Alto encourages city employees to bike to
work by offering them a $20 monthly stipend.

This is terrific, but I can't imagine $20 makes a difference
to anyone who can afford to live in Palo Alto! However, many
people, including myself, view being able to bike to work,
etc., as a luxury. Real estate prices for villagey towns
like Palo Alto suggest that many people feel this way, and
are willing to pay for it. It's the less-well-off and the
suckered who must put up with car-dependence.

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Los Angeles is the worst example of American car culture.
But Los Angeles does not equal California, and it really
does not equal the USA.

Despite stereotypes, Los Angeles is *far* from being the
worst example of American car culture. It isn't even close
to being the worst in CA. Nearby Orange and Riverside
counties are far worse, as is the sprawl extending eastward
and southward from the Bay Area. LA has distinct
neighborhoods with everything close by, public
transportation that works better than spoiled upper middle
class white people give it credit for, plus the city is far
more bikeable than one might imagine. The sub-cities of
Santa Monica, Pasadena, Glendale, and Long Beach are all
highly centralized, walkable, and bikeable. Long Beach even
has a Bikestation.

And again, despite stereotypes, CA has nowhere near the
worst sprawl in the country. Newer areas of the Southeast
are far worse. If you want to see sprawl-hell, go to
Washington or Atlanta! Charlotte, Greensboro-High Point, and
Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill aren't far behind. Notice the
hyphens! What does that tell you? Hyphenless Charlotte has a
lovely downtown, with great, affordable neighborhoods, but
most Charlotteans live on the outskirts where they can enjoy
their love affairs with ride-on mowers.

And then there's Texas...

Matt O.

Red Cloud said:

Hardly believe UC David has a thousand bike,

Davis has been one of the most bike friendly communities in
North America since the beginning. It's famous for it.

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but CSULA, CSULB, CSUF, CSU Domingze Hill has no much
biker. I saw more skateboard rider than Bike rider.
Defintely bike is not popular around here.

Kids use skateboards because they can take them on the bus.
All the schools you mention have a lot of bus riders.

Matt O.