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  1. I was riding my '01 Lemond Buenos Aires today when I had a pretty good
    crash going around a corner and hitting gravel. I landed on my right
    side and tore the back of my hand up. I'm going to have to replace my
    handle bar tape (big deal.)

    It knocked the handlebars off center and scratched up the STI levers,
    but they seem to be shifting OK now. I haven't checked the true on the
    front wheel but I suspect it's alright. I have my concerns about the
    carbon fiber fork's well being as it's not a material I've ridden a lot.

    The rear rim is BENT. I can only assume it will have to be replaced. The
    drive train components don't seem to have even gotten scratched, don't
    know how...but I've got a lot more looking at it for tomorrow.

    At this point I'm thinking I'd like to switch to more conventional rims
    and hubs. These are gorgeous mechanical works but I don't think they're
    practical for a guy as big as me and for riding on rougher areas.

    So what should I look at as far as damage goes? I've crashed and burned
    on bikes before but never on such a "thoroughbred" kind of bike. If that
    makes sense.

    I'm leaning towards replacing the beat up shifters with Ultegra gear,
    using Ultegra hubs and...can I fit a 10 speed gear set back there? Some
    form of Mavic rims...

    Where/how do I go about making sure the frame is still true. I've got
    everything down to all sorts of fancy measuring gear from an engineering
    shop - I imagine a micrometer would be overkill though. I just don't
    want to be up at night thinking I bent up my baby. 🙂

    Thanks!

    PS: the road rash could have been a LOT worse, and I'm VERY, VERY glad I
    was wearing a helmet.

  2. If I recall correctly, the 2001 BA is a steel (853) bike. I'm not sure
    what type of engineering equipment you have, but a quick trip to your
    LBS to check frame alignment would be cheap and eliminate any
    guesswork. Is your actual rim bent or is the wheel just out of true ?
    Even if it's proprietary stuff, you may just have to retrue/retension
    or maybe replace a bent spoke or two.
    If your fork has a carbon steerer, be sure to take off the stem and
    check that it isn't cracked. Probably not a bad idea to do this anyway
    even if the steerer is alloy or steel.
    If the shifters work, I wouldn't upgrade unless you're hell-bent on 10
    speed - Ultegra have a lifespan of about 20,000 miles anyway, so just
    wear them out and get new ones when their time is up. 10 speed will
    fit, BTW.
    Regarding wheels, handbuillts are generally always a great choice over
    proprietary/boutique wheels, especially if you're not racing. Then, the
    saved grams/aero aspect might be worth it and the disposable nature
    becomes part of the game. Ultegra with Mavic CXP 33 would make a
    beautiful wheelset for you - maybe 36 h with brass nipples on the back
    , 14/15 and 32 h on the front, 14/15, alloy or brass nipples for a guy
    your size. Peter from Vecchio's can give some other suggestions, but
    I'm sure these are close to what he would recommend.

    Get back on the road soon .............Lou D'Amelio

  3. Quoted message said:

    I was riding my '01 Lemond Buenos Aires today when I had a pretty good
    crash going around a corner and hitting gravel. I landed on my right side
    and tore the back of my hand up. I'm going to have to replace my handle bar
    tape (big deal.)

    It knocked the handlebars off center and scratched up the STI levers, but
    they seem to be shifting OK now. I haven't checked the true on the front
    wheel but I suspect it's alright. I have my concerns about the carbon
    fiber fork's well being as it's not a material I've ridden a lot.

    If you went sliding sideways, stayed with the bike and things didn't bounce
    around, your fork probably didn't take much force in the crash. But you
    really need to try and reconstruct things and make sure that's the case;
    sometimes we don't remember everything that actually happened.

    The problem with carbon forks is that damage is often very difficult to
    find. Start by removing the front wheel; if you notice that the fork blades
    either spring apart or are trying to squeeze the hub, it's toast. Look for
    scratches that might indicate impact. Check for buzzing noises. Rotate the
    bars and see if there's binding anywhere in the travel, which might indicate
    a bent steer column. Trek (which produces LeMond) has a great deal of info
    on taking care of carbon fiber, and telling you what to look for after a
    crash, here-
    http://www2.trekbikes.com/us/en/Inside_Trek/Misc/Safety_First_Carbon_Fiber_Crash_Replacement_and_Care_Information.php

    Quoted message said:

    The rear rim is BENT. I can only assume it will have to be replaced. The
    drive train components don't seem to have even gotten scratched, don't
    know how...but I've got a lot more looking at it for tomorrow.

    The drivetrain components didn't get scratched because something else took
    the impact. You need to figure out how that happened, but sounds like
    somehow it was the rear wheel that did more than just "slide." Did you stay
    with the bike through the accident?

    Quoted message said:

    At this point I'm thinking I'd like to switch to more conventional rims
    and hubs. These are gorgeous mechanical works but I don't think they're
    practical for a guy as big as me and for riding on rougher areas.

    Not sure why... assuming you've had the bike for a while and the wheels have
    served you well. A bent rim, even on a low-spoke-count wheel, indicates
    forces at work that can only be resisted from something much heavier. It's
    not spoke count that will save you, but a deep-dish rim will be stronger.
    But, at the expense of weight (a fair amount of weight if you go to a
    Velocity Deep-V, but the trade-off is that it will be exceptionally strong).
    But again, if your present wheel served you well, it can be rebuilt;
    contrary to popular opinion, the rims are available.

    Quoted message said:

    So what should I look at as far as damage goes? I've crashed and burned on
    bikes before but never on such a "thoroughbred" kind of bike. If that
    makes sense.

    Again, reconstruct the accident and try to figure out what actually took the
    force. Sometimes that will expose things you weren't looking for originally.
    But in general, there's nothing about a "thoroughbred" bike that inherently
    makes it weaker in a crash. After you think you've got things figured out,
    it would be a good idea to bring it into the bike shop, since they get the
    opportunity to see *many* crashed bikes, and may find things you didn't.

    I should also emphasize that, if your bars and shifters are mangled, you
    should consider replacing the bar & perhaps even the stem, or at the very
    least, the stem bolts. Failures of those components are as dangerous as any
    on a bike (in general, you don't want a fork, bar or stem failure, if you
    desire to stay among the living). Please don't replace a
    scratched-but-functional STI lever and not replace a potentially-dangerous
    but looks not-so-bad handlebar! Put your money where it counts, not so much
    where it shows.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm leaning towards replacing the beat up shifters with Ultegra gear,
    using Ultegra hubs and...can I fit a 10 speed gear set back there? Some
    form of Mavic rims...

    No problem using 10-speed gear on your bike. Everything's standard. However,
    by the time you're talking complete components set, plus rebulding the rear
    wheel, plus perhaps a fork and bar... you're getting close to where an
    entire new bike could make sense.

    Quoted message said:

    Where/how do I go about making sure the frame is still true. I've got
    everything down to all sorts of fancy measuring gear from an engineering
    shop - I imagine a micrometer would be overkill though. I just don't want
    to be up at night thinking I bent up my baby. 🙂

    The shop should be able to check this out, although generally it's difficult
    to mangle a frame, alignment wise, and not have it show when you put in a
    known-good rear wheel and sight down everything from behind. Forks are easy;
    if they're out of alignment, the bike will drift to one side or the other
    when riding with no hands.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks!

    PS: the road rash could have been a LOT worse, and I'm VERY, VERY glad I
    was wearing a helmet.

    Someone went down on a descent on our ride yesterday morning. He didn't
    impact the helmet hard, but slid on it quite a ways. It didn't save his
    life, but it sure was better losing the side of the helmet rather than a
    bunch of skin!

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

  4. Franz Bestuchev said:

    I was riding my '01 Lemond Buenos Aires today when I had a pretty good
    crash going around a corner and hitting gravel. I landed on my right
    side and tore the back of my hand up. I'm going to have to replace my
    handle bar tape (big deal.)

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks!

    PS: the road rash could have been a LOT worse, and I'm VERY, VERY glad I
    was wearing a helmet.

    Did you hit your head?

  5. Lou D'Amelio said:

    If I recall correctly, the 2001 BA is a steel (853) bike.

    It most certainly is.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not sure
    what type of engineering equipment you have, but a quick trip to your
    LBS to check frame alignment would be cheap and eliminate any
    guesswork.

    Can any bike shop do this? I'm actually in the middle of trying to get
    Trek to evaluate the frame. I hadn't noted it myself, but a friend of
    mine who was looking at the bike found a little hole in the weld just
    below the seatpost clamp where the top tube joins in. I'm going to be
    taking the bike in to the local trek dealer....so with any luck I'll get
    a new frame and won't have any anxiety about having bent things up.

    http://www.userealsugar.com/lemond_weld/

    Quoted message said:

    Is your actual rim bent or is the wheel just out of true ?

    It's *really* out of true. I figure with those Rolf rims that would
    spell death. Trouble is it doesn't look like they'd be easy to match.

    Quoted message said:

    Even if it's proprietary stuff, you may just have to retrue/retension
    or maybe replace a bent spoke or two.

    Would this take a highly skilled shop. You mention Vecchio's...is that
    the Boulder, Colorado shop you're talking about? If so, then I'll take
    it there...I got my mtn bike's rear rim/hub from there on a discount
    because they assembled the wrong combo of pieces or the buyer didn't
    show, something like that. They gave me a good deal and it's been a good
    wheel.

    Quoted message said:

    If your fork has a carbon steerer, be sure to take off the stem and
    check that it isn't cracked. Probably not a bad idea to do this anyway
    even if the steerer is alloy or steel.

    It does have a carbon steerer. I noticed this morning that the wheel
    felt "loose". As though the cones hadn't been tightened down properly
    but I didn't have the time to really isolate it. I imagine that if this
    same loose feeling were present with the wheel removed then we're
    talking fork damage.

    Quoted message said:

    If the shifters work, I wouldn't upgrade unless you're hell-bent on 10
    speed - Ultegra have a lifespan of about 20,000 miles anyway, so just
    wear them out and get new ones when their time is up. 10 speed will
    fit, BTW.

    I'm not hell-bent on Ultegra, the bike is fitted with 105 all around.
    Going to 10 speed would be nice and I've heard the Ultegra shifters have
    a better feel than the 105s.

    The brake/shifters got a pretty good beating and are looking pretty
    sorry. Are 9 speed parts still no problem getting? I'm looking for
    suggestions as I think I'm going to have to replace them. I'd like
    something durable and smoother (never really did like the feel of those
    levers) and I'm really trying not to break the bank.

    I just don't know what's compatible/available/reasonable/feasible.

    Quoted message said:

    Regarding wheels, handbuillts are generally always a great choice over
    proprietary/boutique wheels, especially if you're not racing. Then, the
    saved grams/aero aspect might be worth it and the disposable nature
    becomes part of the game. Ultegra with Mavic CXP 33 would make a
    beautiful wheelset for you - maybe 36 h with brass nipples on the back
    , 14/15 and 32 h on the front, 14/15, alloy or brass nipples for a guy
    your size. Peter from Vecchio's can give some other suggestions, but
    I'm sure these are close to what he would recommend.

    Get back on the road soon .............Lou D'Amelio

    Or 105's with the same rim/spoke combo? 6'4" @ 215 lbs. tends to break a
    lot of stuff when it comes crashing down.

  6. Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    The problem with carbon forks is that damage is often very difficult to
    find. Start by removing the front wheel; if you notice that the fork blades
    either spring apart or are trying to squeeze the hub, it's toast. Look for
    scratches that might indicate impact. Check for buzzing noises. Rotate the
    bars and see if there's binding anywhere in the travel, which might indicate
    a bent steer column.

    Sounds like solid advice.

    Quoted message said:

    Trek (which produces LeMond) has a great deal of info
    on taking care of carbon fiber, and telling you what to look for after a
    crash, here-
    http://www2.trekbikes.com/us/en/Inside_Trek/Misc/Safety_First_Carbon_Fiber_Crash_Replacement_and_Care_Information.php

    "Note: You MUST have cookies enabled to use this web site." Do you know
    any way around this? If not, can you pass the message to Trek that we
    don't like cookies? I see the Gary Fisher site is the same.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    At this point I'm thinking I'd like to switch to more conventional rims
    and hubs. These are gorgeous mechanical works but I don't think they're
    practical for a guy as big as me and for riding on rougher areas.

    Not sure why... assuming you've had the bike for a while and the wheels have
    served you well. A bent rim, even on a low-spoke-count wheel, indicates
    forces at work that can only be resisted from something much heavier.

    OK, I'm with you here. A stronger wheel may not have resisted the impact
    of a crash. I don't think it's sensible to use a wheel strong enough to
    withstand any crash you might encounter.

    Quoted message said:

    It's
    not spoke count that will save you, but a deep-dish rim will be stronger.

    But I'm not with you here. I think you're saying that two wheels that
    are identical with the exception of spoke count will be equally strong.
    In other words, a Deep V rim on an Ultegra hub will have the same
    strength if you use 24 spokes or 32. With this I don't agree.

    I think you *meant* to say that a 24 spoke wheel can be just as strong
    as a 32 spoke wheel if the 24 spoke wheel has a beefier rim.

    --
    Dave
    dvt at psu dot edu

  7. Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was riding my '01 Lemond Buenos Aires today when I had a pretty good
    crash going around a corner and hitting gravel. I landed on my right side
    and tore the back of my hand up. I'm going to have to replace my handle bar
    tape (big deal.)

    It knocked the handlebars off center and scratched up the STI levers, but
    they seem to be shifting OK now. I haven't checked the true on the front
    wheel but I suspect it's alright. I have my concerns about the carbon
    fiber fork's well being as it's not a material I've ridden a lot.

    If you went sliding sideways, stayed with the bike and things didn't bounce
    around, your fork probably didn't take much force in the crash. But you
    really need to try and reconstruct things and make sure that's the case;
    sometimes we don't remember everything that actually happened.

    It was a right turn, but I think the back end slid out on me. The handle
    bar tape shows scratches to both side sections on the outside below the
    lever. The right side being much more shredded than the scraping on the
    left.

    The back of my right hand is extensively road rashed on the point and
    middle finger, , along the back of the hand and a large central deep
    burn centrally on my wrist. The fabric along the right side of my body
    was dragged along but did not tear. My right shoulder took a heavy blow.

    My right cheek received a slight abrasion just under the eye and my
    helmet was destroyed. It suffered an extensive scraping of the shell
    from approx. parallel to the nose just up to about my side burns. About
    4" in length and 3" in height. A Giro havoc, 2006 model. Initial
    helmet split at the beginning of the lowest vent hole, second from
    center Second helmet split vertical to the Giro logo.

    My left knee received a mild abrasion but this was a "rug burn"

    It's just so hard to remember, I think I just slid out and the bars went
    to the side hard. I can't explain how the rear wheel got bent but I can
    see where the bars went to perpendicular by the mark on the frame where
    the front calipers collided with the down tube.

    Quoted message said:


    The problem with carbon forks is that damage is often very difficult to
    find. Start by removing the front wheel; if you notice that the fork blades
    either spring apart or are trying to squeeze the hub, it's toast. Look for
    scratches that might indicate impact. Check for buzzing noises. Rotate the
    bars and see if there's binding anywhere in the travel, which might indicate
    a bent steer column. Trek (which produces LeMond) has a great deal of info
    on taking care of carbon fiber, and telling you what to look for after a
    crash, here-
    http://www2.trekbikes.com/us/en/Inside_Trek/Misc/Safety_First_Carbon_Fiber_Crash_Replacement_and_Care_Information.php

    I'll be evaluating the front fork as soon as I get home. I did notice
    this morning that the front wheel was still true, but felt loose as if
    the cones hadn't been tightened properly.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The rear rim is BENT. I can only assume it will have to be replaced. The
    drive train components don't seem to have even gotten scratched, don't
    know how...but I've got a lot more looking at it for tomorrow.

    The drivetrain components didn't get scratched because something else took
    the impact. You need to figure out how that happened, but sounds like
    somehow it was the rear wheel that did more than just "slide." Did you stay
    with the bike through the accident?

    My right foot never came unclipped from the pedal (Speedplay) and I
    think this is the reason that there was no damage to the rear derailler.
    The rear quarter of the seat did get extensively scraped. So I was "on"
    the bike for the whole bucking ride.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    At this point I'm thinking I'd like to switch to more conventional rims
    and hubs. These are gorgeous mechanical works but I don't think they're
    practical for a guy as big as me and for riding on rougher areas.

    Not sure why... assuming you've had the bike for a while and the wheels have
    served you well. A bent rim, even on a low-spoke-count wheel, indicates
    forces at work that can only be resisted from something much heavier. It's
    not spoke count that will save you, but a deep-dish rim will be stronger.
    But, at the expense of weight (a fair amount of weight if you go to a
    Velocity Deep-V, but the trade-off is that it will be exceptionally strong).
    But again, if your present wheel served you well, it can be rebuilt;
    contrary to popular opinion, the rims are available.

    I'm just concerned about future availability and having a strong rim. I
    figure that they obviously wouldn't sell low spoke count wheels if they
    weren't a safe way to build a wheel. But I *haven't* spent a lot of time
    on them. I was in a car wreck shortly after purchasing the bike and so
    it just now is getting up to having around 500 miles on it.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    So what should I look at as far as damage goes? I've crashed and burned on
    bikes before but never on such a "thoroughbred" kind of bike. If that
    makes sense.

    Again, reconstruct the accident and try to figure out what actually took the
    force. Sometimes that will expose things you weren't looking for originally.
    But in general, there's nothing about a "thoroughbred" bike that inherently
    makes it weaker in a crash. After you think you've got things figured out,
    it would be a good idea to bring it into the bike shop, since they get the
    opportunity to see *many* crashed bikes, and may find things you didn't.

    By thoroughbred I'm just implying the delicate features. It's assuredly
    stronger than it looks...but I'm used to the chunkiness of looking at
    aluminum frames.

    Quoted message said:


    I should also emphasize that, if your bars and shifters are mangled, you
    should consider replacing the bar & perhaps even the stem, or at the very
    least, the stem bolts. Failures of those components are as dangerous as any
    on a bike (in general, you don't want a fork, bar or stem failure, if you
    desire to stay among the living). Please don't replace a
    scratched-but-functional STI lever and not replace a potentially-dangerous
    but looks not-so-bad handlebar! Put your money where it counts, not so much
    where it shows.

    The levers were having some glitches, but they were still operating the
    brakes fine. It's hard to assess at the moment, the bars aren't bent.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I'm leaning towards replacing the beat up shifters with Ultegra gear,
    using Ultegra hubs and...can I fit a 10 speed gear set back there? Some
    form of Mavic rims...

    No problem using 10-speed gear on your bike. Everything's standard. However,
    by the time you're talking complete components set, plus rebulding the rear
    wheel, plus perhaps a fork and bar... you're getting close to where an
    entire new bike could make sense.

    That's what I've determined from calling around, it seems as though a
    new set of these levers costs a small fortune! How ridiculous. Add to
    that the fact that they can't be rebuilt has me rather [censored] with
    Shimano.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Where/how do I go about making sure the frame is still true. I've got
    everything down to all sorts of fancy measuring gear from an engineering
    shop - I imagine a micrometer would be overkill though. I just don't want
    to be up at night thinking I bent up my baby. 🙂

    The shop should be able to check this out, although generally it's difficult
    to mangle a frame, alignment wise, and not have it show when you put in a
    known-good rear wheel and sight down everything from behind. Forks are easy;
    if they're out of alignment, the bike will drift to one side or the other
    when riding with no hands.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks!

    PS: the road rash could have been a LOT worse, and I'm VERY, VERY glad I
    was wearing a helmet.

    Someone went down on a descent on our ride yesterday morning. He didn't
    impact the helmet hard, but slid on it quite a ways. It didn't save his
    life, but it sure was better losing the side of the helmet rather than a
    bunch of skin!

    I look at how much abrasion that helmet took and I'm *really* grateful
    it wasn't the side of my head instead.

  8. Quoted message said:
    Franz Bestuchev said:

    I was riding my '01 Lemond Buenos Aires today when I had a pretty good
    crash going around a corner and hitting gravel. I landed on my right
    side and tore the back of my hand up. I'm going to have to replace my
    handle bar tape (big deal.)

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks!


    PS: the road rash could have been a LOT worse, and I'm VERY, VERY glad I
    was wearing a helmet.

    Did you hit your head?

    Yes, it fractured the helmet.

  9. Franz Bestuchev said:
    Quoted message said:
    Franz Bestuchev said:

    I was riding my '01 Lemond Buenos Aires today when I had a pretty good
    crash going around a corner and hitting gravel. I landed on my right
    side and tore the back of my hand up. I'm going to have to replace my
    handle bar tape (big deal.)

    > Thanks!
    PS: the road rash could have been a LOT worse, and I'm VERY, VERY glad I
    was wearing a helmet.

    Did you hit your head?

    Yes, it fractured the helmet.

    Well, it did it's job then. Glad you're okay.

  10. Per Franz Bestuchev:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm VERY, VERY glad I
    was wearing a helmet.

    Maybe somebody should start a web page showing trashed helmets and the stories
    behind them...
    --
    PeteCresswell

  11. Franz Bestuchev <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    That's what I've determined from calling around, it seems as though a
    new set of these levers costs a small fortune! How ridiculous. Add to
    that the fact that they can't be rebuilt has me rather [censored] with
    Shimano.

    Well, then Vecchio's is probably the place to go, so Peter Chisholm can
    educate you on the joys of Campy Ergopower levers. Not necessarily for
    crash-resistance (although they probably are), but many other things -
    rebuildability, lower price, more elegant cable routing, the list goes
    on...

    Get some Veloce or Centaur kit instead of the Ultegra you mentioned, and
    life will be good.

    Hank

  12. On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:49:26 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe somebody should start a web page showing trashed helmets and the stories
    behind them...

    I have a small pile of them. And a story for each.

  13. Hank Wirtz said:

    Franz Bestuchev <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    That's what I've determined from calling around, it seems as though a
    new set of these levers costs a small fortune! How ridiculous. Add to
    that the fact that they can't be rebuilt has me rather [censored] with
    Shimano.

    Well, then Vecchio's is probably the place to go, so Peter Chisholm can
    educate you on the joys of Campy Ergopower levers. Not necessarily for
    crash-resistance (although they probably are), but many other things -
    rebuildability, lower price, more elegant cable routing, the list goes
    on...

    Get some Veloce or Centaur kit instead of the Ultegra you mentioned, and
    life will be good.

    Hank

    He pretty much sold me on replacing with Veloce if things aren't well
    when I try to put the pieces together again,

  14. Quoted message said:
    Franz Bestuchev said:
    Quoted message said:

    Franz Bestuchev wrote:
    > I was riding my '01 Lemond Buenos Aires today when I had a pretty good
    > crash going around a corner and hitting gravel. I landed on my right
    > side and tore the back of my hand up. I'm going to have to replace my
    > handle bar tape (big deal.)
    >
    >> Thanks!
    > PS: the road rash could have been a LOT worse, and I'm VERY, VERY glad I
    > was wearing a helmet.
    Did you hit your head?


    Yes, it fractured the helmet.

    Well, it did it's job then. Glad you're okay.

    I'm also glad it took the huge abrasion rather than me. Giro's nice
    enough to have another one on the way too - spoke with them earlier.

  15. Franz Bestuchev said:

    I was riding my '01 Lemond Buenos Aires today when I had a pretty good
    crash going around a corner and hitting gravel. I landed on my right
    side and tore the back of my hand up. I'm going to have to replace my
    handle bar tape (big deal.)

    It knocked the handlebars off center and scratched up the STI levers,
    but they seem to be shifting OK now. I haven't checked the true on the
    front wheel but I suspect it's alright. I have my concerns about the
    carbon fiber fork's well being as it's not a material I've ridden a lot.

    Although this is a valid concern, carbon fork damage in my very
    limited experience tends to occur most often when a bike is ridden
    into a fixed object. Unless the outer surface is scarred, I doubt
    that you've got anything to worry about. Watch to see if it flexes
    wierdly when you next ride it; that's a sure sign that the matrix has
    shattered inside.

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    The rear rim is BENT. I can only assume it will have to be replaced.

    If it's just taco-shaped, it may not be hopeless.

    Quoted message said:

    The
    drive train components don't seem to have even gotten scratched, don't
    know how...but I've got a lot more looking at it for tomorrow.

    If you fell on your left side, it would be a no-brainer; that which
    does not hit the ground, isn't scarred. If you fell on your right
    side, the protection was from *you*.

    Quoted message said:

    At this point I'm thinking I'd like to switch to more conventional rims
    and hubs. These are gorgeous mechanical works but I don't think they're
    practical for a guy as big as me and for riding on rougher areas.

    Their practicality is largely determined by the use of the bike; for
    recreational and fitness riding, I have to agree with your conclusion
    that more conventional rims are likely to be a better choice.

    Quoted message said:

    So what should I look at as far as damage goes? I've crashed and burned
    on bikes before but never on such a "thoroughbred" kind of bike. If that
    makes sense.

    Inspect the frame for places where the downtube might be kinked;
    that's usually the one that shows damage first in my experience. If
    there is no visible kinking, and the old string-around-the-headtube
    test (from rear dropout forward, around the headtube, and back to the
    other dropout) shows that the seat tube is still centered, and if the
    two wheels visually line up vertically, it's unlikely that you've got
    any bends to worry about.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm leaning towards replacing the beat up shifters with Ultegra gear,
    using Ultegra hubs and...can I fit a 10 speed gear set back there? Some
    form of Mavic rims...

    Be careful in selecting Mavics; some of them have problems with
    cracking at the spoke holes.

    Quoted message said:

    Where/how do I go about making sure the frame is still true. I've got
    everything down to all sorts of fancy measuring gear from an engineering
    shop - I imagine a micrometer would be overkill though. I just don't
    want to be up at night thinking I bent up my baby. 🙂

    Scroll down to "The String Method" on this page:

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html

    When you dump the weight off the bike, the loading decreases; if the
    bike doesn't get its dainty bits jammed up against hostile surfaces,
    it usually emerges relatively unscathed. My daughter's Schwinn Le
    Tour sailed off of the roof rack and nose-dived on to the street once
    when I hit a railroad crossing a bit too fast; it suffered nothing
    more than a gash in the bar tape.

    Quoted message said:

    PS: the road rash could have been a LOT worse, and I'm VERY, VERY glad I
    was wearing a helmet.

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