Big Freeze Coming!

Paul Saunders said:

IN THE SHORT TERM

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days (in Wales
at least). Lots of sunshine and single figure temperatures in the daytime,
heavy frosts and starry nights averaging -3C, particularly in Snowdonia.

AS AN ASIDE...

Good time for camping around a nice fire! Remember that the Leonid meteor
shower is due in the next few days, so keep an eye on the sky.
Unfortunately the full moon is here at the worst possible time, obscuring
many faint meteors, but at least it won't be cloudy. Predictions of the
peaks are for 19:11 UT on the 17th and 1:40 UT on the 21st, the latter being
the best for Europe (but not for those who have to get back to work on
Monday).

LONGER TERM

Back to the point, word is that this could be the coldest winter for many a
year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/content/articles/2005/11/04/winter_feature.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/content/articles/2005/10/19/weather_cold_winter_2005_feature.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/weather/terry_scholey_long_range_feature.shtml

Here's a point of interest. I've only seen the Ystradfellte Falls
completely frozen twice, back in 1985 and 1986. On my first frozen visit I
remember overhearing a couple of oldies saying that they hadn't seen the
falls looking like that for 20 years. Guess what, that was exactly 20 years
ago! So we're due for a repeat performance! Lucky I've just bought a new
down jacket!

The articles above didn't mention sunspots, but I'm pretty sure there are
theories that they affect the world's weather, and they occur in cycles of
roughly 11 years.

Paul

Ah. You have email.

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days (in

Wales

Quoted message said:

at least). Lots of sunshine and single figure temperatures in the

daytime,

Quoted message said:

heavy frosts and starry nights averaging -3C, particularly in Snowdonia.

Full moon (or thereabouts) up early at the moment too for those that like
early evening moonlight strolls. Sunsets have been regularly excellent for
a while now too. It doesn't get any better for beeing out and about.

Quoted message said:

Good time for camping around a nice fire! Remember that the Leonid meteor
shower is due in the next few days, so keep an eye on the sky.
Unfortunately the full moon is here at the worst possible time, obscuring
many faint meteors, but at least it won't be cloudy. Predictions of the
peaks are for 19:11 UT on the 17th and 1:40 UT on the 21st, the latter

being

Quoted message said:

the best for Europe (but not for those who have to get back to work on
Monday).

UT ?? Wassat then? Sounds familiar. (Just kidding)

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days (in

Wales

Quoted message said:

at least). Lots of sunshine and single figure temperatures in the

daytime,

Quoted message said:

heavy frosts and starry nights averaging -3C, particularly in Snowdonia.

Full moon (or thereabouts) up early at the moment too for those that like
early evening moonlight strolls. Sunsets have been regularly excellent for
a while now too. It doesn't get any better for beeing out and about.

Quoted message said:

Good time for camping around a nice fire! Remember that the Leonid meteor
shower is due in the next few days, so keep an eye on the sky.
Unfortunately the full moon is here at the worst possible time, obscuring
many faint meteors, but at least it won't be cloudy. Predictions of the
peaks are for 19:11 UT on the 17th and 1:40 UT on the 21st, the latter

being

Quoted message said:

the best for Europe (but not for those who have to get back to work on
Monday).

UT ?? Wassat then? Sounds familiar. (Just kidding)

Quoted message said:

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days (in
Wales at least). Lots of sunshine and single figure temperatures in the
daytime, heavy frosts and starry nights averaging -3C, particularly in
Snowdonia.

AS AN ASIDE...

Good time for camping around a nice fire! Remember that the Leonid meteor
shower is due in the next few days, so keep an eye on the sky.
Unfortunately the full moon is here at the worst possible time, obscuring
many faint meteors, but at least it won't be cloudy. Predictions of the
peaks are for 19:11 UT on the 17th and 1:40 UT on the 21st, the latter
being the best for Europe (but not for those who have to get back to work
on Monday).

LONGER TERM

Back to the point, word is that this could be the coldest winter for many
a year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/content/articles/2005/11/04/winter_feature.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/content/articles/2005/10/19/weather_cold_winter_2005_feature.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/weather/terry_scholey_long_range_feature.shtml

Here's a point of interest. I've only seen the Ystradfellte Falls
completely frozen twice, back in 1985 and 1986. On my first frozen visit
I remember overhearing a couple of oldies saying that they hadn't seen the
falls looking like that for 20 years. Guess what, that was exactly 20
years ago! So we're due for a repeat performance! Lucky I've just bought
a new down jacket!

The articles above didn't mention sunspots, but I'm pretty sure there are
theories that they affect the world's weather, and they occur in cycles of
roughly 11 years.

Some 'serious' weather was forecast Thursday 10 Nov, by the Mountain Weather
Information Service, for Saturday 12 Nov in the Lake District. Whiteout
conditions above 700 metres with severe wind chill. Had lunch on Great End
(910 metres) on the Saturday in question, and it was very pleasant. Bit
windy, chilly, and the odd covering of cloud ..... but none of the lovely
white stuff fell upon us. (More the pity, love the snow.)

--
sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
email: saunders.sandy at ntlworld.com

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
brings the same excitement'

Quoted message said:

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days (in
Wales at least). Lots of sunshine and single figure temperatures in the
daytime, heavy frosts and starry nights averaging -3C, particularly in
Snowdonia.

AS AN ASIDE...

Good time for camping around a nice fire! Remember that the Leonid meteor
shower is due in the next few days, so keep an eye on the sky.
Unfortunately the full moon is here at the worst possible time, obscuring
many faint meteors, but at least it won't be cloudy. Predictions of the
peaks are for 19:11 UT on the 17th and 1:40 UT on the 21st, the latter
being the best for Europe (but not for those who have to get back to work
on Monday).

LONGER TERM

Back to the point, word is that this could be the coldest winter for many
a year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/content/articles/2005/11/04/winter_feature.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/content/articles/2005/10/19/weather_cold_winter_2005_feature.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/weather/terry_scholey_long_range_feature.shtml

Here's a point of interest. I've only seen the Ystradfellte Falls
completely frozen twice, back in 1985 and 1986. On my first frozen visit
I remember overhearing a couple of oldies saying that they hadn't seen the
falls looking like that for 20 years. Guess what, that was exactly 20
years ago! So we're due for a repeat performance! Lucky I've just bought
a new down jacket!

The articles above didn't mention sunspots, but I'm pretty sure there are
theories that they affect the world's weather, and they occur in cycles of
roughly 11 years.

Some 'serious' weather was forecast Thursday 10 Nov, by the Mountain Weather
Information Service, for Saturday 12 Nov in the Lake District. Whiteout
conditions above 700 metres with severe wind chill. Had lunch on Great End
(910 metres) on the Saturday in question, and it was very pleasant. Bit
windy, chilly, and the odd covering of cloud ..... but none of the lovely
white stuff fell upon us. (More the pity, love the snow.)

--
sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
email: saunders.sandy at ntlworld.com

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
brings the same excitement'

"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote> "Paul Saunders"
<[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days (in

Wales

Quoted message said:

at least). Lots of sunshine and single figure temperatures in the

daytime,

Quoted message said:

heavy frosts and starry nights averaging -3C, particularly in Snowdonia.

Quoted message said:

Full moon (or thereabouts) up early at the moment too for those that like
early evening moonlight strolls. Sunsets have been regularly excellent

for

Quoted message said:

a while now too. It doesn't get any better for beeing out and about.

Forgot to say, maybe good prospects for temperature inversions as well.

"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote> "Paul Saunders"
<[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days (in

Wales

Quoted message said:

at least). Lots of sunshine and single figure temperatures in the

daytime,

Quoted message said:

heavy frosts and starry nights averaging -3C, particularly in Snowdonia.

Quoted message said:

Full moon (or thereabouts) up early at the moment too for those that like
early evening moonlight strolls. Sunsets have been regularly excellent

for

Quoted message said:

a while now too. It doesn't get any better for beeing out and about.

Forgot to say, maybe good prospects for temperature inversions as well.

AndyP said:

Forgot to say, maybe good prospects for temperature inversions as
well.

Maybe? Maybe? What's the wind situation? It has to be calm for an
inversion.

Paul

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:26:12 -0000
in <news:[email hidden]>
AndyP <[email hidden]> wrote :
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UT ?? Wassat then? Sounds familiar. (Just kidding)

It's the politically correct way of using GMT so that the US can think
they invented time standards ;-)

--
The man was evacuated uphill to the dam and airlifted to hospital. Let
me just say that uphill is bad. Very bad. It hurts.
[Langdale & Ambleside MRT callout report]

Bootlaces said:

It's the politically correct way of using GMT so that the US can think
they invented time standards ;-)

Oh let's not start that argument again. But on the other hand, let's...

Why does everyone want to blame everything on the US?

GMT was called GMT because it was measured at Greenwich, based on the sun's
position. This is no longer done. GMT is history. The Greenwich
Observatory has moved, it's not even at Greenwich anymore!

"In 1967 scientists worldwide agreed to measure time using the atomic
second."

UT is not based on the sun, it's based on atomic clocks, from numerous
observatories around the world.

"Atomic time and UTC are kept through the collaboration of about forty
laboratories worldwide, each having several atomic clocks. It is the
National Physical Laboratory which collaborates on behalf of the UK and has
the responsibility for maintaining the national scale of UTC."

But it still needs to be "coordinated" with the earth's rotation, with leap
seconds inserted as necessary.

"It is the International Earth Rotation Service in Paris which measures the
rotation of the earth and determines when a leap second is needed."

So please stop trying to blame the Americans for everything!

http://www.galleon.eu.com/UTC.htm
http://www.apparent-wind.com/gmt-explained.html

Paul

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from
the wonderful person Bootlaces <[email hidden]> said
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It's the politically correct way of using GMT so that the US can think
they invented time standards ;-)

Well, only nearly .. IIRC they actually differ in the split-leap-seconds
area, just so the Astronomers can claim superiority over the naval
types.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Contact recommends the use of Firefox; SC recommends it at gunpoint.

stuart said:

Ah but, the yanks are now trying to abolish the leap second, which
will one day see GMT arriving in the US, of course at 300 years per
degree it will take a little time!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4420084.stm

Hmm....

Paul

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Forgot to say, maybe good prospects for temperature inversions as
well.

Maybe? Maybe? What's the wind situation? It has to be calm for an
inversion.

I think the weather forecast on here was what brought that to my mind
earlier today.

http://www.winterhighland.com/general/

Chris Street said:

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Why does everyone want to blame everything on the US?

Based on the Merkins I meet in my company who think that they did
define the prime meridian, because a) They do think they invented
everything and b) they need taking down a peg or 37.

Fair enough, I'm not saying they're blameless. The way they like to rewrite
history is reprehensible, but still, they're not to blame for everything.

Paul

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

IN THE SHORT TERM

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days (in

Wales

Quoted message said:

at least). Lots of sunshine and single figure temperatures in the

daytime,

Quoted message said:

heavy frosts and starry nights averaging -3C, particularly in Snowdonia.

AS AN ASIDE...

Good time for camping around a nice fire! Remember that the Leonid meteor
shower is due in the next few days, so keep an eye on the sky.
Unfortunately the full moon is here at the worst possible time, obscuring
many faint meteors, but at least it won't be cloudy. Predictions of the
peaks are for 19:11 UT on the 17th and 1:40 UT on the 21st, the latter

being

Quoted message said:

the best for Europe (but not for those who have to get back to work on
Monday).

LONGER TERM

Back to the point, word is that this could be the coldest winter for many

a

Quoted message said:

year.

Yes the media seem to be certain of two things at the moment, the hardest
winter for years and Bird Flu, how anybody can predict either with any
certainty is beyond me!

They seem to heavily publicise anything that points to a hard winter and
totally ignore the contrary, most of the significantly cold winters of the
last century followed relatively inactive hurricane seasons, so going off
this years hurricane season we should have anything but a hard winter. Of
course this winter coming will probably be colder than recent winters, but
thats just because recent winters have been so mild.

Anyway heres hoping for a real toughie something like 48 or 63

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:24:27 -0000
in <news:[email hidden]>
Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> wrote :

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"It is the International Earth Rotation Service in Paris which measures the
rotation of the earth and determines when a leap second is needed."

Yup - got one of those this year.

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So please stop trying to blame the Americans for everything!

I'm not blaming them.

--
He was a big fellow, and there were a few bad backs.
[Langdale & Ambleside MRT callout report]

Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> wrote

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IN THE SHORT TERM

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days

Currently minus 0.4°C in my garden.

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Here's a point of interest. I've only seen the Ystradfellte Falls
completely frozen twice, back in 1985 and 1986. On my first frozen visit I
remember overhearing a couple of oldies saying that they hadn't seen the
falls looking like that for 20 years. Guess what, that was exactly 20 years
ago! So we're due for a repeat performance! Lucky I've just bought a new
down jacket!

I took some photos of the Upper Falls at Aysgarth some years back, when
they were frozen solid, a wonderful sight, but they were all slides.
I bet I could get some better ones now with the digi camera, but it's a
160 mile round trip, and petrol is more expensive nowadays...... :-(
--
Gordon Harris

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

"It is the International Earth Rotation Service in Paris which measures

the

Quoted message said:

rotation of the earth and determines when a leap second is needed."

So please stop trying to blame the Americans for everything!

Ah but, the yanks are now trying to abolish the leap second, which will one
day see GMT arriving in the US, of course at 300 years per degree it will
take a little time!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4420084.stm

stuart said:

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

IN THE SHORT TERM

Forecast is for very cold weather over the next four or five days (in

Wales

Quoted message said:

at least). Lots of sunshine and single figure temperatures in the

daytime,

Quoted message said:

heavy frosts and starry nights averaging -3C, particularly in Snowdonia.

AS AN ASIDE...

Good time for camping around a nice fire! Remember that the Leonid meteor
shower is due in the next few days, so keep an eye on the sky.
Unfortunately the full moon is here at the worst possible time, obscuring
many faint meteors, but at least it won't be cloudy. Predictions of the
peaks are for 19:11 UT on the 17th and 1:40 UT on the 21st, the latter

being

Quoted message said:

the best for Europe (but not for those who have to get back to work on
Monday).

LONGER TERM

Back to the point, word is that this could be the coldest winter for many

a

Quoted message said:

year.

Yes the media seem to be certain of two things at the moment, the hardest
winter for years and Bird Flu, how anybody can predict either with any
certainty is beyond me!

The North Atlantic Oscillation is the primary driving force, and the Met
Office have basically said there is a 66% chance of a more severe winter.
It's rags like the Daily Wail that have been pushing the "bad as 63 and 47"
crud that's been coming out.

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They seem to heavily publicise anything that points to a hard winter and
totally ignore the contrary, most of the significantly cold winters of the
last century followed relatively inactive hurricane seasons, so going off
this years hurricane season we should have anything but a hard winter. Of
course this winter coming will probably be colder than recent winters, but
thats just because recent winters have been so mild.

Anyway heres hoping for a real toughie something like 48 or 63

It'll Darwinate everything south of Luton. Possibly not a bad thing.