Bicycling Safety Reminder

Steven said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet and had gloves on. I
didn't think I needed gloves, but they provide one level of protection
you might not realize. If you fall down, your hands may not get as
scratched up/damaged if you wear gloves. My gloves only cover the palms
(fingerless) but they did the job. Some of the little circles in the
palms got worn off when I fell but it's ok. I only paid $9 for them (on
sale) at Performance.

I tore up my pants so now I'll have to get new ones. I'm thinking of
getting a motorcycle jacket (with padding in the shoulders, elbow, and
back area) but this jacket would only be used for bicycling and seems a
bit extreme. I never seen or heard of another bicyclist using
motorcycle jackets/clothing.

Steven

I suggest, for you, a complete American style football outfit, except
for the cleats.

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Quoted message said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet and had gloves on. I
didn't think I needed gloves, but they provide one level of protection
you might not realize. If you fall down, your hands may not get as
scratched up/damaged if you wear gloves. My gloves only cover the palms
(fingerless) but they did the job. Some of the little circles in the
palms got worn off when I fell but it's ok. I only paid $9 for them (on
sale) at Performance.

I tore up my pants so now I'll have to get new ones. I'm thinking of
getting a motorcycle jacket (with padding in the shoulders, elbow, and
back area) but this jacket would only be used for bicycling and seems a
bit extreme. I never seen or heard of another bicyclist using
motorcycle jackets/clothing.

Steven

Motorcycle jackets are very heavy and hot.

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Quoted message said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet and had gloves on. I
didn't think I needed gloves, but they provide one level of protection
you might not realize. If you fall down, your hands may not get as
scratched up/damaged if you wear gloves. My gloves only cover the palms
(fingerless) but they did the job. Some of the little circles in the
palms got worn off when I fell but it's ok. I only paid $9 for them (on
sale) at Performance.

I tore up my pants so now I'll have to get new ones. I'm thinking of
getting a motorcycle jacket (with padding in the shoulders, elbow, and
back area) but this jacket would only be used for bicycling and seems a
bit extreme. I never seen or heard of another bicyclist using
motorcycle jackets/clothing.

Steven

As a first thought, I would suggest the downhill racer's attire, with the
pads and plates, and the full face helmet too.

Steven said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet

Are you aware that wearing a helmet increases the risk that you will
be hit by a motorcar?

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Steven said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet

Are you aware that wearing a helmet increases the risk that you will
be hit by a motorcar?

You should also be aware that jtaylor is as mad as a hatter!

I think you might have been posting this on adrenaline. My 12 year old
daughter has been riding her bike to school and around (a sidewalkless) town
for years. Yesterday was the first time she felt in danger, and that was
because she and a friend were following a car down a narrow street, and the
car suddenly stopped, and she felt her choices were to drop the bike, hit
the car, or hit her friend, so she dropped the bike. She had very minor
scrapes, no blood, no tears in her clothes and her bike is fine, but she was
still shaking when she got home.

But, the resiliency of 12 years olds is amazing. She needed a few hugs and
was off on her bike again, to a friend's house. So, here's a few hugs.
Don't go overboard on the fear. An no, you don't need the motorcycle jacket
unless it's cold outside and you think motorcycle jackets make you look hot,
in which case go for it.

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Quoted message said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet and had gloves on. I
didn't think I needed gloves, but they provide one level of protection
you might not realize. If you fall down, your hands may not get as
scratched up/damaged if you wear gloves. My gloves only cover the palms
(fingerless) but they did the job. Some of the little circles in the
palms got worn off when I fell but it's ok. I only paid $9 for them (on
sale) at Performance.

I tore up my pants so now I'll have to get new ones. I'm thinking of
getting a motorcycle jacket (with padding in the shoulders, elbow, and
back area) but this jacket would only be used for bicycling and seems a
bit extreme. I never seen or heard of another bicyclist using
motorcycle jackets/clothing.

Steven

Steven said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet and had gloves on. I
didn't think I needed gloves, but they provide one level of protection
you might not realize. If you fall down, your hands may not get as
scratched up/damaged if you wear gloves. My gloves only cover the palms
(fingerless) but they did the job. Some of the little circles in the
palms got worn off when I fell but it's ok. I only paid $9 for them (on
sale) at Performance.

I tore up my pants so now I'll have to get new ones. I'm thinking of
getting a motorcycle jacket (with padding in the shoulders, elbow, and
back area) but this jacket would only be used for bicycling and seems a
bit extreme. I never seen or heard of another bicyclist using
motorcycle jackets/clothing.

I was riding in San Francisco yesterday too. I think that I was one of
the few helmet-less riders. I found myself with some time between
appointments, and I had my Brompton in the trunk (normally we use public
transit and bikes in San Francisco, but the spousal unit just had a knee
operation for a ski injury, and can't bicycle yet). It was a beautiful
day along the waterfront, and the tourists were out in force. The
bicycle rental places were doing a booming business ($28 a day, as much
as renting a small car in many places!), and they include helmets with
all rentals. San Francisco is one place where I would normally wear a
helmet, not so much for the cars but because of the masses of bicycles
and pedestrians acting so unpredictably.

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Steven said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet

Are you aware that wearing a helmet increases the risk that you will
be hit by a motorcar?

You should also be aware that jtaylor is as mad as a hatter!

Ozark is on record as being in favour of MHL's - consider that as well
as the fact that insults are a sign that the person employing them has
no other support.

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 07:42:55 -0700, SMS <[email hidden]>

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Steven said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet and had gloves on. I
didn't think I needed gloves, but they provide one level of protection
you might not realize. If you fall down, your hands may not get as
scratched up/damaged if you wear gloves. My gloves only cover the palms
(fingerless) but they did the job. Some of the little circles in the
palms got worn off when I fell but it's ok. I only paid $9 for them (on
sale) at Performance.

I tore up my pants so now I'll have to get new ones. I'm thinking of
getting a motorcycle jacket (with padding in the shoulders, elbow, and
back area) but this jacket would only be used for bicycling and seems a
bit extreme. I never seen or heard of another bicyclist using
motorcycle jackets/clothing.

I was riding in San Francisco yesterday too. I think that I was one of
the few helmet-less riders. I found myself with some time between
appointments, and I had my Brompton in the trunk (normally we use public
transit and bikes in San Francisco, but the spousal unit just had a knee
operation for a ski injury, and can't bicycle yet). It was a beautiful
day along the waterfront, and the tourists were out in force. The
bicycle rental places were doing a booming business ($28 a day, as much
as renting a small car in many places!), and they include helmets with
all rentals. San Francisco is one place where I would normally wear a
helmet, not so much for the cars but because of the masses of bicycles
and pedestrians acting so unpredictably.

Are you sure that is why people in California wear helmets?

It has nothing to do with the fact that a whole generation has grown
up under a law that requires that they wear them?

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On 1 Oct 2006 02:24:53 -0700, "Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
>wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet

Are you aware that wearing a helmet increases the risk that you will
be hit by a motorcar?

You should also be aware that jtaylor is as mad as a hatter!

Ozark is on record as being in favour of MHL's

Prove it!

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- consider that as well
as the fact that insults are a sign that the person employing them has
no other support.

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[email hidden] wrote:
> On 1 Oct 2006 02:24:53 -0700, "Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
> >wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet
>
> Are you aware that wearing a helmet increases the risk that you will
> be hit by a motorcar?

You should also be aware that jtaylor is as mad as a hatter!

Ozark is on record as being in favour of MHL's

Prove it!

Wed Sep 6 2006 10:30 p.m. post in rec.bicycles.misc by yourself:

"I'd like one in your jurisdiction that was well and truly enforced,
with time in the slammer for second time offenders.

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- consider that as well
as the fact that insults are a sign that the person employing them has
no other support.

I think you'll have to fall back on insult for support...

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On 1 Oct 2006 07:34:06 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

>
>[email hidden] wrote:
>> On 1 Oct 2006 02:24:53 -0700, "Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
>> >wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet
>>
>> Are you aware that wearing a helmet increases the risk that you will
>> be hit by a motorcar?
>
>You should also be aware that jtaylor is as mad as a hatter!

Ozark is on record as being in favour of MHL's

Prove it!

Wed Sep 6 2006 10:30 p.m. post in rec.bicycles.misc by yourself:

"I'd like one in your jurisdiction that was well and truly enforced,
with time in the slammer for second time offenders.

Yes, indeed, but just in your little jurisdiction. Sort of your own
private place in hell, as a reward for your lying, obnoxious, trolling
brhavior. Other than that, I am anti-MHL and you know it, you lying
liar.

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- consider that as well
as the fact that insults are a sign that the person employing them has
no other support.

I think you'll have to fall back on insult for support...

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[email hidden] wrote:
> On 1 Oct 2006 07:34:06 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:
>
> >
> >[email hidden] wrote:
> >> On 1 Oct 2006 02:24:53 -0700, "Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
> >> >wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet
> >>
> >> Are you aware that wearing a helmet increases the risk that you will
> >> be hit by a motorcar?
> >
> >You should also be aware that jtaylor is as mad as a hatter!
>
> Ozark is on record as being in favour of MHL's

Prove it!

Wed Sep 6 2006 10:30 p.m. post in rec.bicycles.misc by yourself:

"I'd like one in your jurisdiction that was well and truly enforced,
with time in the slammer for second time offenders.

Yes, indeed, but just in your little jurisdiction. Sort of your own
private place in hell, as a reward for your lying, obnoxious, trolling
brhavior. Other than that, I am anti-MHL and you know it, you lying
liar.

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>- consider that as well
> as the fact that insults are a sign that the person employing them has
> no other support.

I think you'll have to fall back on insult for support...

I see you've taken my suggestion. Why are the pro-helmet zealots so
upset when they are shown to be wrong?

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On 1 Oct 2006 09:09:24 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

>
>[email hidden] wrote:
>> On 1 Oct 2006 07:34:06 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >[email hidden] wrote:
>> >> On 1 Oct 2006 02:24:53 -0700, "Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
>> >> >wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet
>> >>
>> >> Are you aware that wearing a helmet increases the risk that you will
>> >> be hit by a motorcar?
>> >
>> >You should also be aware that jtaylor is as mad as a hatter!
>>
>> Ozark is on record as being in favour of MHL's
>
>Prove it!
>

Wed Sep 6 2006 10:30 p.m. post in rec.bicycles.misc by yourself:

"I'd like one in your jurisdiction that was well and truly enforced,
with time in the slammer for second time offenders.

Yes, indeed, but just in your little jurisdiction. Sort of your own
private place in hell, as a reward for your lying, obnoxious, trolling
brhavior. Other than that, I am anti-MHL and you know it, you lying
liar.

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>
>>- consider that as well
>> as the fact that insults are a sign that the person employing them has
>> no other support.

I think you'll have to fall back on insult for support...

I see you've taken my suggestion. Why are the pro-helmet zealots so
upset when they are shown to be wrong?

You've proven nothing other than your own perchant to twist and
distort, you lying liar.

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Steven said:

Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet

Are you aware that wearing a helmet increases the risk that you will
be hit by a motorcar?

Is there some other kind of car, presumably more likely to hit you if you
are not wearing a helmet?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steven said:

I tore up my pants so now I'll have to get new ones. I'm thinking of
getting a motorcycle jacket (with padding in the shoulders, elbow, and
back area) but this jacket would only be used for bicycling and seems a
bit extreme. I never seen or heard of another bicyclist using
motorcycle jackets/clothing.

A (leather) motorcycle jacket is about the most ill suited addition to
your kit you can suggest. It's heavy and will retain sweat. I
anticipate its ameliorating effects in accidents will be more than
negated by its tendency to encourage sweaty rides and, possibly, chills
afterwards.

Unless you're crashing on a regular basis -- and if you are, better
that you look into the causes -- I wouldn't entertain changing the kit.

Luke

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...Other than that, I am anti-MHL and you know it, you lying liar....

Are there truthful liars?

--
Tom Sherman - Here, not there.

Cathy Kearns said:

I think you might have been posting this on adrenaline. My 12 year old
daughter has been riding her bike to school and around (a sidewalkless) town
for years. Yesterday was the first time she felt in danger, and that was
because she and a friend were following a car down a narrow street, and the
car suddenly stopped, and she felt her choices were to drop the bike, hit
the car, or hit her friend, so she dropped the bike. She had very minor
scrapes, no blood, no tears in her clothes and her bike is fine, but she was
still shaking when she got home.

But, the resiliency of 12 years olds is amazing. She needed a few hugs and
was off on her bike again, to a friend's house. So, here's a few hugs.
Don't go overboard on the fear. An no, you don't need the motorcycle jacket
unless it's cold outside and you think motorcycle jackets make you look hot,
in which case go for it.

A motorcycle jacket would make him 'hot' within about 2 blocks of
starting to pedal. I used to have a WWII surplus aviator jacket and it
was so good I could sweat at zero degrees (F) if I put out any effort at
all. It was good for keeping me warm on a motorcycle down to the 30's,
that being my lower limit due to frozen hands.
My 2 cents on leather jackets.
Bill Baka

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Yesterday I was biking in San Francisco and I took my 1st spill. It
wasn't bad but I was glad I was wearing a helmet and had gloves on. I
didn't think I needed gloves, but they provide one level of protection
you might not realize. If you fall down, your hands may not get as
scratched up/damaged if you wear gloves. My gloves only cover the palms
(fingerless) but they did the job. Some of the little circles in the
palms got worn off when I fell but it's ok. I only paid $9 for them (on
sale) at Performance.

I tore up my pants so now I'll have to get new ones. I'm thinking of
getting a motorcycle jacket (with padding in the shoulders, elbow, and
back area) but this jacket would only be used for bicycling and seems a
bit extreme. I never seen or heard of another bicyclist using
motorcycle jackets/clothing.

Steven

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

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...Other than that, I am anti-MHL and you know it, you lying liar....

Are there truthful liars?

George II, The Head [censored], Rummy, Condisleeeezi......need I go on? They
always lie, and that's the truth. ;-)