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  1. Tomorrow night, our theme at Cardiff Woodcraft Folk:

    <http://cardiffwoodcraft.org.uk/>

    is "scientific curiosity".

    I'll take in a bicycle wheel, to explore gyroscopic effects, but I
    wondered if it's worth taking a whole bike. Is there anything else
    surprising and hands-on to be discovered in the science of the bicyle?

    The children are aged six to ten.

    Thanks,

    Daniele

  2. D.M. Procida said:

    Tomorrow night, our theme at Cardiff Woodcraft Folk:

    <http://cardiffwoodcraft.org.uk/>

    is "scientific curiosity".

    I'll take in a bicycle wheel, to explore gyroscopic effects, but I
    wondered if it's worth taking a whole bike. Is there anything else
    surprising and hands-on to be discovered in the science of the bicyle?

    The children are aged six to ten.

    Thanks,

    Daniele

    The strength - to weight ratio of the wheel is remarkable, although I
    don't know how you would demonstrate it.
    I wonder if you could identify the tightest spokes on a heavily loaded
    wheel by plucking them? That'll surprise most people.
    The physics of the steering is interesting too. (see "countersteering,
    discussed ad nauseam on this group). Maybe you could perform the
    definitive experiment!
    Get them to push a bike forward by the saddle and demonstrate castor,
    then try it backwards.
    Demonstrate lights and reflectors.
    Dynamos.
    Ball bearings.

    roger Thorpe

  3. (D.M. Procida) said:

    Tomorrow night, our theme at Cardiff Woodcraft Folk:

    Quoted message said:

    <http://cardiffwoodcraft.org.uk/>

    Quoted message said:

    is "scientific curiosity".

    Quoted message said:

    I'll take in a bicycle wheel, to explore gyroscopic effects, but I
    wondered if it's worth taking a whole bike. Is there anything else
    surprising and hands-on to be discovered in the science of the bicyle?

    Quoted message said:

    The children are aged six to ten.

    Seen once at a physics fun day: bicycle wheel with the spokes replaced by
    rubber bands. Put wheel vertically so that it can rotate freely, and aim a
    hairdryer at one side of the 'spokes'. The heat will relax the rubber
    bands on that side, the wheel becomes acentric, and rotates.

    Roos

  4. Roos Eisma said:

    Seen once at a physics fun day: bicycle wheel with the spokes replaced by
    rubber bands. Put wheel vertically so that it can rotate freely, and aim a
    hairdryer at one side of the 'spokes'. The heat will relax the rubber
    bands on that side, the wheel becomes acentric, and rotates.

    I'm sure something like that was done on one of the royal institute
    Christmas lectures on telly a few years ago. I don't know if it
    available on the internet anywhere.

    Martin.

  5. With derailleur gears you could demonstrate the principle of
    mechanical advantage.

  6. D.M. Procida said:

    Tomorrow night, our theme at Cardiff Woodcraft Folk:

    <http://cardiffwoodcraft.org.uk/>

    is "scientific curiosity".

    I'll take in a bicycle wheel, to explore gyroscopic effects, but I
    wondered if it's worth taking a whole bike. Is there anything else
    surprising and hands-on to be discovered in the science of the bicyle?

    The children are aged six to ten.

    Gosh yes!

    Gear ratios may be 'obvious' to you but the fact you turn the
    pedals (say) 14 times and the wheel goes round 32 times which
    AMAZINGLY is the same number of teeth in the gears being used.
    AND once you have a hypothesis you can test it with another
    combination. The 'scientific method' at work.

    Sound: Why do bells go 'ring' and spokes go 'ping'. I'd have a
    loose/broken spoke ready to demonstrate after stretching an
    elastic band say.

    Dynamo?

    Bearings. How can you keep a pedal 'flat' when the crank
    goes round? It isn't obvious. (I've come across 14 yo. who
    don't know how to use a spanner!) Now where else on a bike
    are there bearings? Where in everyday life will children
    ever get to see bearings? Hinges if you're lucky! Even a
    crank - for example why why not just one - will never
    have been explained to them.

    (If your bike wheels are the same size then pi-D won't
    make much sense.)

    Inner tube. How does that work then? Hey! Look! - More air ->
    more pressure.

    Why are tyres rubber and not say wood, glass, plastic? It
    is easy to demonstrate friction using samples of these
    materials on the floor. More weight = more grip. (Eureka!
    that's how brakes work) Now wet the floor for extra fun.
    (Now add washing up liquid.)

    Can little hands put the brakes on directly? No! They
    need levers.

    How clever is it to be able to pull round corners and through
    pipes like gear cables and brakes do?

    PS If you've got a good demo the parents will be fascinated
    as well because chances are nobody ever explained the details
    to them either.

    FRICTION
    GEAR
    RATIO
    LEVER
    BEARING
    PRESSURE
    FORCE
    CRANK

    --
    Peter Fox
    Beer, dancing, cycling and lots more at www.eminent.demon.co.uk

  7. On Jan 28, 9:47 am, [email hidden] (D.M.

    Procida) said:

    wondered if it's worth taking a whole bike. Is there anything else
    surprising and hands-on to be discovered in the science of the bicyle?

    Friction (tyre-to-road, brakes). Perhaps introduce oil to demonstrate
    the effects of losing friction?

    PhilD

    --
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  8. "Peter Fox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Even a
    crank - for example why why not just one - will never
    have been explained to them.

    I was amazed when I discovered the reason James Watt used sun and planet
    gearing was that the crank had been patented!

    (gets lego out to make one. now I even understand it! equal gears gives 2
    revs of wheel for one up/down of piston. )

    cheers,
    clive

  9. Clive George said:
    Quoted message said:

    Even a
    crank - for example why why not just one - will never
    have been explained to them.

    You mean, why not just one pedal crank? Does that need to be explained?

    Quoted message said:

    I was amazed when I discovered the reason James Watt used sun and planet
    gearing was that the crank had been patented!

    The crank had been used for at least two thousand years prior to that.
    How on earth could anyone patent it?

    Daniele

  10. D. M. Procida said:

    You mean, why not just one pedal crank? Does that need to
    be explained?

    It seems obvious to me too, but according to Jobst Brandt it
    escaped the designers of the Alenax reciprocating-lever
    bicycle:

    The early models had fully independent pedal levers that
    could be pedaled singly or in parallel or only only one if
    you wanted. This made the return stroke difficult because
    the leg and crank had to be pulled back to the top. What
    was worse is that in the event of a bump in the road, the
    rider could not stand up, because both pedals would go to
    the very bottom, fully extending the legs which prevented
    rising from the saddle.

    (http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8i.4.html)

    --
    Gareth Rees

  11. "D.M. Procida" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was amazed when I discovered the reason James Watt used sun and planet
    gearing was that the crank had been patented!

    The crank had been used for at least two thousand years prior to that.
    How on earth could anyone patent it?

    Possibly in the context of steam engines.

    cheers,
    clive

  12. D.M. Procida said:
    Clive George said:
    Quoted message said:

    Even a
    crank - for example why why not just one - will never
    have been explained to them.

    You mean, why not just one pedal crank? Does that need to be explained?

    Quoted message said:

    I was amazed when I discovered the reason James Watt used sun and planet
    gearing was that the crank had been patented!

    The crank had been used for at least two thousand years prior to that.
    How on earth could anyone patent it?

    Daniele


    Sorry Daniela I deleted your first message after reading it and before I
    replied

    Cycle science....

    bike pumps getting hot...

    why tyres go flat

    triangulation for strength , used in pioneering ( do woodcraft folk do
    pioneering)

    energy used in cycling compared with driving a car

    I have used all of these with Cub Scouts and they worked well.

  13. D.M. Procida said:
    Clive George said:
    Quoted message said:

    Even a
    crank - for example why why not just one - will never
    have been explained to them.

    You mean, why not just one pedal crank? Does that need to be explained?


    Yes. Consider the following hypothetical exchange:

    Q: Why are there two pedals - can't there just be one?
    A: It's obvious.

    One of the first and worst mistakes teachers make is to
    assume 'the obvious'. It is a small thing - but vital. Can you
    cycle if you've only got one leg? If so, why is it difficult
    and what would make it easier.

    --
    Peter Fox
    Beer, dancing, cycling and lots more at www.eminent.demon.co.uk

  14. In message <[email hidden]>

    marc said:

    Cycle science....

    How screws and wedges work.

    How the nuts get hot when undone.

    Streamlining.
    --
    Charles
    Brompton P6R-Plus; CarryFreedom -YL, in Motspur Park
    LCC; CTC.

  15. "POHB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    With derailleur gears you could demonstrate the principle of
    mechanical advantage.

    A difficult concept for the young ones to grasp.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, vernon
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    "POHB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    With derailleur gears you could demonstrate the principle of
    mechanical advantage.

    A difficult concept for the young ones to grasp.


    Why? Bottom gear: one pedal revolution = one wheel revolution; top
    gear: one pedal revolution = three wheel revolutions. Liken it to going
    up stairs one at a time or three at a time, one being easier and the
    other being quicker.

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