Bianchi- Who killed it?

Callistus Valerius said:

While riding today, I saw 3 Bianchi's, and it kind of reminded me of
years ago, there were tons of Bianchi's, but today you even rarely see one.
As we know, Lance made Trek. Trek is a powerhouse, because of all the
business they got because of Lance. So the reverse must be true, collapsing
sales of Bianchi's, who should we blame? The two who come to mind are
Marco, and Jan. Personally I think Marco killed Bianchi. But Jan made a
mess of it too.

Justin.

Callistus Valerius said:

While riding today, I saw 3 Bianchi's, and it kind of reminded me of
years ago, there were tons of Bianchi's, but today you even rarely see one.
As we know, Lance made Trek. Trek is a powerhouse, because of all the
business they got because of Lance. So the reverse must be true, collapsing
sales of Bianchi's, who should we blame? The two who come to mind are
Marco, and Jan. Personally I think Marco killed Bianchi. But Jan made a
mess of it too.

Jan had his best Tour de France of the last seven or so years
in 2003 on a Bianchi in a Bianchi jersey.

The last several undistinguished years of Marco's career
were on a Wilier.

Obviously, had they stuck with Bianchis, LANCE would be
a faded memory - who was that guy who won the Tour back
in the 90s? Used to work at a post office or something?

Ben

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Jan had his best Tour de France of the last seven or so years
in 2003 on a Bianchi in a Bianchi jersey.

The last several undistinguished years of Marco's career
were on a Wilier.

Obviously, had they stuck with Bianchis, LANCE would be
a faded memory - who was that guy who won the Tour back
in the 90s? Used to work at a post office or something?

Ben

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This is strictly by memory, but as I remember it, Jan implied that the
Bianchi was one of many handicaps he had to overcome in that tour. The last
years of Marco, no one remembers, because he was either coked out, or epo'ed
out, no one remembers what bike he was on.

So the reverse must be true, collapsing

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sales of Bianchi's, who should we blame? The two who come to mind are
Marco, and Jan. Personally I think Marco killed Bianchi. But Jan made

a

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mess of it too.

Justin.

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who in the blazes is that?

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So the reverse must be true, collapsing

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sales of Bianchi's, who should we blame? The two who come to mind are
Marco, and Jan. Personally I think Marco killed Bianchi. But Jan made

a

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mess of it too.

Justin.

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who in the blazes is that?

You've been here long enough, it's appaling that you don't know.

Callistus Valerius said:

as I remember it, Jan implied that the
Bianchi was one of many handicaps he had to overcome in that tour.

Where did you hear or read this?

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So the reverse must be true, collapsing

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> sales of Bianchi's, who should we blame? The two who come to mind

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> Marco, and Jan. Personally I think Marco killed Bianchi. But Jan

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Justin.

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who in the blazes is that?

You've been here long enough, it's appaling that you don't know.

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I haven't been here much since Landis did the t-patch, so if there was a
justin thread it must have been after that. If he is a pro-cyclist, the
same excuse. I became totally disillusioned with pro-cycling, so much, that
if I even stumbled on it on the tube I would reflexively either cover both
eyes, or both ears with my hands. But I do the same with baseball, and
football has become one long beer commercial. The only thing I got out of
OLN's coverage of the tour, was that they introduced me to Captain Morgan
(rum). They ran that commercial so much, one year, I had to try it. That
stuff is so good, I only buy it for when I go kayaking with people,
otherwise I'd be a drunk. Nothing like a Captain Morgan & Coke after trying
to stay out of Davy Jone's Locker all day. So with that background, that's
why I missed out on Justin.

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Callistus Valerius said:

as I remember it, Jan implied that the
Bianchi was one of many handicaps he had to overcome in that tour.

Where did you hear or read this?

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hand on the bible------ if I recollect correctly I think it was one of
Liggetts ramblings on OLN. It made an impression on me, or why would this
pop into my head. As you remember, that was all they talked about, bianchi,
bianchi.., because of the Coast blow-up, and money problems, and then
Liggett waxed on about how Jan had trouble adjusting to the bike. Was it
the geometry, weight, durability, flexing, I just don't recollect.

On 6/3/07 4:51 PM, in article [email hidden], "Carl

Sundquist said:

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So the reverse must be true, collapsing

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> sales of Bianchi's, who should we blame? The two who come to mind are
> Marco, and Jan. Personally I think Marco killed Bianchi. But Jan made

a

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> mess of it too.

Justin.

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who in the blazes is that?

You've been here long enough, it's appaling that you don't know.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_thread/thread/5506
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> Justin.
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who in the blazes is that?

You've been here long enough, it's appaling that you don't know.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_thread/thread/5506

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I remember reading that thread. It was 4 years ago, and I was suppose to
remember a guy named Justin had warranty issues? I re-read it, it was
funny, shocking, and it did make a lifetime impression on me, but I didn't
pay attention to who posted it. That was when the AL was beer can thin,
that there were a lot of discussions about being in the era of throw away
bikes.

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>> Justin.
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> who in the blazes is that?

You've been here long enough, it's appaling that you don't know.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_thread/thread/5506

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I remember reading that thread. It was 4 years ago, and I was suppose to
remember a guy named Justin had warranty issues? I re-read it, it was
funny, shocking, and it did make a lifetime impression on me, but I didn't
pay attention to who posted it. That was when the AL was beer can thin,
that there were a lot of discussions about being in the era of throw away
bikes.

There are certain rbr threads and posters that have been pounced on and
toyed with like a cat with a mouse, thus becoming classics. Thanks to
Justin, with the possible exception of Hell and High Water Bob, almost every
reference to Bianchi in the past four years has had some sort of allusion to
that infamous thread.

Since RAAM starts in a week, shouldn't you be winding up your propaganda
machine?

There's a "Team Blazing Saddles" from Great Britain. What gives? That's like
having a "Team Life of Brian" team from the USA.

Callistus Valerius said:

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote :
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:33:50 GMT, "Callistus Valerius"

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as I remember it, Jan implied that the
Bianchi was one of many handicaps he had to overcome in that tour.

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Where did you hear or read this?

hand on the bible------ if I recollect correctly I think it was one of
Liggetts ramblings on OLN. It made an impression on me, or why would this
pop into my head. As you remember, that was all they talked about, bianchi,
bianchi.., because of the Coast blow-up, and money problems, and then
Liggett waxed on about how Jan had trouble adjusting to the bike. Was it
the geometry, weight, durability, flexing, I just don't recollect.

Yup. Must of been one of those LED-induced
hallucinations - or maybe heat stroke.

Ben

The term killed is a inaccurate description since Bianchi (http://
www.bianchi.com ) is still around.

Bianchi is one of the last large bike companies. Bianchi today is
owned by Cycle Europe which owns Puch, Gitane and some other brands.
One problem is that Bianchi never had a very strong distribution
system in the US. Recently I have noticed that a few dealers in the
San Diego picked up Bianchi and are carrying their racing bikes.

As for Jan I believe his influence was very minor since the team was
not around long.

Callistus Valerius said:

While riding today, I saw 3 Bianchi's, and it kind of reminded me of
years ago, there were tons of Bianchi's, but today you even rarely see one.
As we know, Lance made Trek. Trek is a powerhouse, because of all the
business they got because of Lance. So the reverse must be true, collapsing
sales of Bianchi's, who should we blame? The two who come to mind are
Marco, and Jan. Personally I think Marco killed Bianchi. But Jan made a
mess of it too.

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There's a "Team Blazing Saddles" from Great Britain. What gives?
That's like having a "Team Life of Brian" team from the USA.

I think they're sponsored by Nelson's.

--
Bill Asher

On Jun 4, 12:52 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

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While riding today, I saw 3 Bianchi's, and it kind of reminded me of
years ago, there were tons of Bianchi's, but today you even rarely see one.
As we know, Lance made Trek. Trek is a powerhouse, because of all the
business they got because of Lance. So the reverse must be true, collapsing
sales of Bianchi's, who should we blame? The two who come to mind are
Marco, and Jan. Personally I think Marco killed Bianchi. But Jan made a
mess of it too.

I know of five real and one counterfeit Bianchi in this province.

I've seen at least fifteen real Trek the bike shop in the last two
years but with the exception of a specially ordered "Kid's Specific
Design" mountain bike under someone's 8 year old none of them are
showing up at bike club events.

Only three Cannondale in the province and two of those are counterfeit
(though, as the former owner of the legit C'dale, I hate to be the one
to tell to tell the couple with the CAAD4 frames they got in Beijing
that even if their bikes look right and cost right they are about 5
pounds too heavy.)

-M

Callistus Valerius said:

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hand on the bible------ if I recollect correctly I think it was one of
Liggetts ramblings on OLN.

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Yup. Must of been one of those LED-induced
hallucinations - or maybe heat stroke.

If you're going to hallucinate about cycling commentators its probably
slightly better to hallucinate about Liggett rather than Duffield.

Callistus Valerius said:

if I recollect correctly I think it was one of
Liggetts ramblings on OLN. It made an impression on me, or why would this
pop into my head. As you remember,

I don't, but then I wasn't watching OLN.

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Quick, tell me something about Trek bikes. You could.

Tell me something about Cannondale, what is their specialty?

OK now how about Bianchi? <crickets>
Schwinn?
Raleigh?

All these big names have suffered in my opinion because their bikes
did not have a particular focus. Bianchi is known for the green paint.
What else?