Beware McDonald's burger patties!

Thanks for the heads-up on that.

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Quoted message said:

Not content to kill you with their fries or the buns they serve the
burgers on, McDonalds adds hydrogenated fats to the meat itself, in the
form of their "grill seasoning."
The 1/4 pound patty on the Quarter Pounder and Big & Tasty contains A
WHOLE GRAM of the killer Franklenstein fats. That's on top of 7 g of
saturated fat.
Is this premeditated murder, or a lesser crime, like negligent
homicide?
All those times I ordered their burgers "no bun." I had no idea.
[censored]. Go check it out on their website, then tell the whole world.
http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=item&itemID=6

--Bryan

Cubit said:

Thanks for the heads-up on that.

You're quite welcome. Let's everyone consider calling them toll free to
ask why they are so intent upon killing their customers.

1-877-MCD-FOOD

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

Not content to kill you with their fries or the buns they serve the
burgers on, McDonalds adds hydrogenated fats to the meat itself, in the
form of their "grill seasoning."
The 1/4 pound patty on the Quarter Pounder and Big & Tasty contains A
WHOLE GRAM of the killer Franklenstein fats. That's on top of 7 g of
saturated fat.
Is this premeditated murder, or a lesser crime, like negligent
homicide?
All those times I ordered their burgers "no bun." I had no idea.
[censored]. Go check it out on their website, then tell the whole world.
http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=item&itemID=6

--Bryan

--Bryan

Quoted message said:

Not content to kill you with their fries or the buns they serve the
burgers on, McDonalds adds hydrogenated fats to the meat itself, in the
form of their "grill seasoning."
The 1/4 pound patty on the Quarter Pounder and Big & Tasty contains A
WHOLE GRAM of the killer Franklenstein fats. That's on top of 7 g of
saturated fat.
Is this premeditated murder, or a lesser crime, like negligent
homicide?
All those times I ordered their burgers "no bun." I had no idea.
[censored]. Go check it out on their website, then tell the whole world.
http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=item&itemID=6

--Bryan

It is my understanding that beef naturally contains some trans fats. And
so does dairy.

Therefire, it is possible that the trans fats in question aren't
manufacturing additives at all.

----------------------------------------------------
http://www.nebeef.org/nutrition_faqs.asp

Q: Does beef contain trans fatty acids?
A: Recently, a great deal of attention has been focused on health risks
associated with trans fatty acids. In terms of both structure and
function, the differences between man-made and naturally occurring trans
fatty acids result in very different health effects. Man-made trans
fatty acids, found in foods containing partially hydrogenated vegetable
oils, are a concern because research shows they raise LDL cholesterol
levels and also lower HDL cholesterol levels, thereby increasing risk
for heart disease. About 90% of all trans fat consumed in the American
diet comes from these man-made trans fats found in processed and snack
foods such as chips and cookies. The trans fatty acids that occur
naturally in beef and dairy foods have very different physiological and
biological functions compared to those found in processed foods.
Research shows that naturally occurring trans fatty acids of animal
origin do not increase risk of coronary heart disease and may decrease
it. In particular, the trans fatty acid conjugated linoleic acid (CLA),
found in red meat and dairy products, has been shown to have positive
health benefits including inhibiting breast and colon cancer tumor
growth. Scientific literature acknowledges that the potential benefits
of CLA also may include its anti-diabetic properties, enhanced immune
response and positive effects on lean and fat body mass and growth.
(MacDonald, H.B. Conjugated linoleic acid and disease prevention: a
review of current knowledge. J. Am.Coll.Nutr.19: 111s-118s; 2000.) In
fact, in its position paper on functional foods, the American Dietetic
Association identified CLA as a component in dairy products and red meat
that may alter cancer carcinogenesis. The biological activities of CLA
are still being identified and research on human subjects is currently
underway. According to the 1990 Nutrition Labeling and Education Act
(NLEA), claims about fat, saturated fat and cholesterol can be made for
foods only if they meet strict requirements as defined by the
government. A "lean" product is less than 10 grams of fat, 4.5 grams or
less of saturated fat and less than 95 milligrams of cholesterol per
serving and per 100 grams.
------------------------

Trans-vaccenic acid and conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) are natural
transfats found in beef and dairy. It is definitely very desirable to
consume these fatty acids! For more info, check out this thread .. Beef
prevents cancer
(http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?p=396147&highlight=cla#post396147).

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Quoted message said:

Not content to kill you with their fries or the buns they serve the
burgers on, McDonalds adds hydrogenated fats to the meat itself, in the
form of their "grill seasoning."
The 1/4 pound patty on the Quarter Pounder and Big & Tasty contains A
WHOLE GRAM of the killer Franklenstein fats. That's on top of 7 g of
saturated fat.
Is this premeditated murder, or a lesser crime, like negligent
homicide?
All those times I ordered their burgers "no bun." I had no idea.
[censored]. Go check it out on their website, then tell the whole world.
http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=item&itemID=6

--Bryan

Burger King beef also contains trans fats.... and it is right there on
the web page

http://www.bk.com/Food/Nutrition/NutritionWizard/index.aspx

I strongly suspect that you are citing naturally occuring trans fats,
and not those made by hydrogenated veggie oils - the synthetic and
harmful ones.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not content to kill you with their fries or the buns they serve the
burgers on, McDonalds adds hydrogenated fats to the meat itself, in the
form of their "grill seasoning."
The 1/4 pound patty on the Quarter Pounder and Big & Tasty contains A
WHOLE GRAM of the killer Franklenstein fats. That's on top of 7 g of
saturated fat.
Is this premeditated murder, or a lesser crime, like negligent
homicide?
All those times I ordered their burgers "no bun." I had no idea.
[censored]. Go check it out on their website, then tell the whole world.
http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=item&itemID=6

--Bryan

It is my understanding that beef naturally contains some trans fats. And
so does dairy.

Therefire, it is possible that the trans fats in question aren't
manufacturing additives at all.

Partially hydrogenated oil is listed in the "grill seasoning" ingredients.

Quoted message said:

----------------------------------------------------
http://www.nebeef.org/nutrition_faqs.asp

Q: Does beef contain trans fatty acids?
A: Recently, a great deal of attention has been focused on health risks
associated with trans fatty acids. In terms of both structure and
function, the differences between man-made and naturally occurring trans
fatty acids result in very different health effects. Man-made trans fatty
acids, found in foods containing partially hydrogenated vegetable oils,
are a concern because research shows they raise LDL cholesterol levels and
also lower HDL cholesterol levels, thereby increasing risk for heart
disease. About 90% of all trans fat consumed in the American diet comes
from these man-made trans fats found in processed and snack foods such as
chips and cookies. The trans fatty acids that occur naturally in beef and
dairy foods have very different physiological and biological functions
compared to those found in processed foods. Research shows that naturally
occurring trans fatty acids of animal origin do not increase risk of
coronary heart disease and may decrease it. In particular, the trans fatty
acid conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), found in red meat and dairy products,
has been shown to have positive health benefits including inhibiting
breast and colon cancer tumor growth. Scientific literature acknowledges
that the potential benefits of CLA also may include its anti-diabetic
properties, enhanced immune response and positive effects on lean and fat
body mass and growth. (MacDonald, H.B. Conjugated linoleic acid and
disease prevention: a review of current knowledge. J. Am.Coll.Nutr.19:
111s-118s; 2000.) In fact, in its position paper on functional foods, the
American Dietetic Association identified CLA as a component in dairy
products and red meat that may alter cancer carcinogenesis. The biological
activities of CLA are still being identified and research on human
subjects is currently underway. According to the 1990 Nutrition Labeling
and Education Act (NLEA), claims about fat, saturated fat and cholesterol
can be made for foods only if they meet strict requirements as defined by
the government. A "lean" product is less than 10 grams of fat, 4.5 grams
or less of saturated fat and less than 95 milligrams of cholesterol per
serving and per 100 grams.
------------------------

Trans-vaccenic acid and conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) are natural
transfats found in beef and dairy. It is definitely very desirable to
consume these fatty acids! For more info, check out this thread .. Beef
prevents cancer
(http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?p=396147&highlight=cla#post396147).

--------------------------

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Wherever the transfat comes from it seems very unlikely that McDonald's
adds it to the meat, as the OP claimed. Right on the McDonalds
nutritional info page it clearly states that the beef contains no
additives of any kind. I would agree it may either naturally be in the
beef or ossibly it could come from additonal cooking fat added to the
grill surface, if they do that. If it's natural, people seem to be
saying the natural kind may not actually be as bad, or even bad at all.
I have yet to see how much transfat is supposed to be in piece of pure
beef. I've only seen vague references to it being very small.

I did find this, which I think is quite shocking:

"On average, Americans consume about five grams of trans fat per day,
accounting for about 3 percent of their total calories, according to a
1999 study in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. "

I would have thought the amount of transfat consumed would be a lot
higher than that. If that's true and we're really worried about 5g
being very harmful, then I guess we have to be even more careful about
tiny amounts.

Quoted message said:

Wherever the transfat comes from it seems very unlikely that McDonald's
adds it to the meat, as the OP claimed. Right on the McDonalds
nutritional info page it clearly states that the beef contains no
additives of any kind. I would agree it may either naturally be in the
beef or ossibly it could come from additonal cooking fat added to the
grill surface, if they do that. If it's natural, people seem to be
saying the natural kind may not actually be as bad, or even bad at all.
I have yet to see how much transfat is supposed to be in piece of pure
beef. I've only seen vague references to it being very small.

Look at the "Grill Seasoning" at the bottom of the page.
http://www.dietfacts.com/html/items/12344.htm

Quoted message said:

I did find this, which I think is quite shocking:

"On average, Americans consume about five grams of trans fat per day,
accounting for about 3 percent of their total calories, according to a
1999 study in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. "

I would have thought the amount of transfat consumed would be a lot
higher than that. If that's true and we're really worried about 5g
being very harmful, then I guess we have to be even more careful about
tiny amounts.

It is very bad stuff.

--Bryan

Quoted message said:

Wherever the transfat comes from it seems very unlikely that McDonald's
adds it to the meat, as the OP claimed. Right on the McDonalds
nutritional info page it clearly states that the beef contains no
additives of any kind. I would agree it may either naturally be in the
beef or ossibly it could come from additonal cooking fat added to the
grill surface, if they do that. If it's natural, people seem to be
saying the natural kind may not actually be as bad, or even bad at all.
I have yet to see how much transfat is supposed to be in piece of pure
beef. I've only seen vague references to it being very small.

I did find this, which I think is quite shocking:

"On average, Americans consume about five grams of trans fat per day,
accounting for about 3 percent of their total calories, according to a
1999 study in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. "

I would have thought the amount of transfat consumed would be a lot
higher than that. If that's true and we're really worried about 5g
being very harmful, then I guess we have to be even more careful about
tiny amounts.

You may recall that the National Academy of Sciences report on Trans
Fats said something like:

"there is no safe amount for consumption of trans fats".

It has been a long time since I read the portions of that report that
were on the NAS website..... but, it is considered pretty unsafe to consume.

And that is the reason for the concern and outcry that a serving of
0.49 grams of trans fat can be called "Trans Fat FREE".

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jbuch said:

Quoted message said:

Wherever the transfat comes from it seems very unlikely that McDonald's
adds it to the meat, as the OP claimed. Right on the McDonalds
nutritional info page it clearly states that the beef contains no
additives of any kind. I would agree it may either naturally be in the
beef or ossibly it could come from additonal cooking fat added to the
grill surface, if they do that. If it's natural, people seem to be
saying the natural kind may not actually be as bad, or even bad at all.
I have yet to see how much transfat is supposed to be in piece of pure
beef. I've only seen vague references to it being very small.

I did find this, which I think is quite shocking:

"On average, Americans consume about five grams of trans fat per day,
accounting for about 3 percent of their total calories, according to a
1999 study in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. "

I would have thought the amount of transfat consumed would be a lot
higher than that. If that's true and we're really worried about 5g
being very harmful, then I guess we have to be even more careful about
tiny amounts.

You may recall that the National Academy of Sciences report on Trans
Fats said something like:

"there is no safe amount for consumption of trans fats".

It has been a long time since I read the portions of that report that
were on the NAS website..... but, it is considered pretty unsafe to consume.

And that is the reason for the concern and outcry that a serving of
0.49 grams of trans fat can be called "Trans Fat FREE".

You can thank the Republicans in Congress and the White House for that.
The fast food industry gives huge amounts of money, almost exclusively
to the GOP. Wendy's 94%, McD's 95%, Waffle House 100%, kfc/taco
bell/pizza hut 79%, CA Pizza Kitchen 100%, Domino's 100%, Steak'n Shake
100%, Krispy Kreme 100%, Applebee's 91%, Papa John's 84%, IHOP 90%,
Ruby Tuesday 100% , Outback 98%, Bob Evans 99%, Chick-fil-A 99%. I
could not find a single fast food company (unless you count Starbuck's)
who contributed more to Democrats than Republicans. The only industry
more unbalanced in their contributions is the oil industry.
Millions of campaign dollars get results. The GOP has sold your
arteries for 30 pieces of silver.

--Bryan

"You can thank the Republicans in Congress and the White House for
that.
The fast food industry gives huge amounts of money, almost exclusively

to the GOP. "

Well, at least now we know where you;re coming from. Even if your
assertion that the fast food industry contributes almost exclusively to
the GOP is true, which I doubt, so what? Answer this simple question.
Does typical fast food have more transfat, less transfat, or about the
same than it did when Democrats controlled the White House and/or
Congress? The fact is there is an active campaign to reduce transfat
that has been going on quite well under a Republican president and
Congress. Most fast food companies have reduced or eliminated
transfat. And have you ever heard of the new labeling requirements for
transfat to help consumers avoid it? See all the pretty packages that
say ZERO transfat? How stupid can you be?

Quoted message said:

"You can thank the Republicans in Congress and the White House for
that.
The fast food industry gives huge amounts of money, almost exclusively

to the GOP. "

Well, at least now we know where you;re coming from. Even if your
assertion that the fast food industry contributes almost exclusively to
the GOP is true, which I doubt, so what? Answer this simple question.
Does typical fast food have more transfat, less transfat, or about the
same than it did when Democrats controlled the White House and/or
Congress? The fact is there is an active campaign to reduce transfat
that has been going on quite well under a Republican president and
Congress. Most fast food companies have reduced or eliminated
transfat. And have you ever heard of the new labeling requirements for
transfat to help consumers avoid it? See all the pretty packages that
say ZERO transfat? How stupid can you be?

I say all of this is just silly to even bother debating about on this
particular NG. I haven't set foot in a McDonald's for literally months
now, and frankly, now that I'm heading towards a year of low-carbing,
I'm starting to really like not being a slave to the fast food industry
anymore.

But I'm all for the industry's right to exist and people's
corresponding right to stuff themselves silly with prepackaged
precooked carby [censored].

Anyways...

"I say all of this is just silly to even bother debating about on this
particular NG. I haven't set foot in a McDonald's for literally months
now, and frankly, now that I'm heading towards a year of low-carbing,
I'm starting to really like not being a slave to the fast food industry

anymore.

But I'm all for the industry's right to exist and people's
corresponding right to stuff themselves silly with prepackaged
precooked carby [censored].

Anyways... "

Yes, very good point! I rarely visit a fast food business too. If I'm
traveling, and need to stop somewhere that only has fast food, I
usually look for fried chicken. Of course I eat that without the carb
coating.

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Quoted message said:

Not content to kill you with their fries or the buns they serve the
burgers on, McDonalds adds hydrogenated fats to the meat itself, in the
form of their "grill seasoning."
The 1/4 pound patty on the Quarter Pounder and Big & Tasty contains A
WHOLE GRAM of the killer Franklenstein fats. That's on top of 7 g of
saturated fat.
Is this premeditated murder, or a lesser crime, like negligent
homicide?
All those times I ordered their burgers "no bun." I had no idea.
[censored]. Go check it out on their website, then tell the whole world.
http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=item&itemID=6

--Bryan

Wow! I don't even like McDonald's burgers, but I had been ordering some
burgers without the bun when I travel because that is something I could
always locate easily. I was actually feeling somewhat "virtuous" about it.
I certainly knew that the burgers were not low-fat, but I had no idea that
transfats were added!

MaryL

Ernst Primer <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> [email hidden] wrote:
:>> "You can thank the Republicans in Congress and the White House for
:>> that.
:>> The fast food industry gives huge amounts of money, almost
:>> exclusively
:>>
:>> to the GOP. "
:>>
:>> Well, at least now we know where you;re coming from. Even if your
:>> assertion that the fast food industry contributes almost
:>> exclusively to the GOP is true, which I doubt, so what? Answer
:>> this simple question. Does typical fast food have more transfat,
:>> less transfat, or about the same than it did when Democrats
:>> controlled the White House and/or Congress? The fact is there is
:>> an active campaign to reduce transfat that has been going on quite
:>> well under a Republican president and Congress. Most fast food
:>> companies have reduced or eliminated transfat. And have you ever
:>> heard of the new labeling requirements for transfat to help
:>> consumers avoid it? See all the pretty packages that say ZERO
:>> transfat? How stupid can you be?
:>
:> I say all of this is just silly to even bother debating about on
:> this particular NG. I haven't set foot in a McDonald's for literally
:> months now, and frankly, now that I'm heading towards a year of
:> low-carbing, I'm starting to really like not being a slave to the
:> fast food industry anymore.

Well, that's your choice, but it's not as if one can't make good choices
from selections on a fast food menu.

:>
:> But I'm all for the industry's right to exist and people's
:> corresponding right to stuff themselves silly with prepackaged
:> precooked carby [censored].

See...this is dogma....one can definitely eat in a fast food place without
doing this.

[email hidden] wrote:
:> Not content to kill you with their fries or the buns they serve the
:> burgers on, McDonalds adds hydrogenated fats to the meat itself, in
:> the form of their "grill seasoning."

Yeah, that's a problem. Note that the rounding down hides the amount of
transfat in the seasoning - bad idea, IMO.

:> The 1/4 pound patty on the Quarter Pounder and Big & Tasty contains A
:> WHOLE GRAM of the killer Franklenstein fats. That's on top of 7 g of
:> saturated fat.

The 1 g from the meat is not a problem. Those trans fats are helpful, as it
the sat fats in the absense of excess carbs.

:> Is this premeditated murder, or a lesser crime, like negligent
:> homicide?

No, it's mainly ignorance.

:> All those times I ordered their burgers "no bun." I had no idea.
:> [censored]. Go check it out on their website, then tell the whole
:> world. http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=item&itemID=6

Well, grilling the meat would be better than frying in partially
hydrogenated oils. But they can switch to a fully hydrogenated oil to solve
that problem, methinks.

You know, Some people would blame President Bush for a rainy day.

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Quoted message said:

You know, Some people would blame President Bush for a rainy day.

Well some people do think he's Jesus.

Trans fats are not naturally occuring.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not content to kill you with their fries or the buns they serve the
burgers on, McDonalds adds hydrogenated fats to the meat itself, in the
form of their "grill seasoning."
The 1/4 pound patty on the Quarter Pounder and Big & Tasty contains A
WHOLE GRAM of the killer Franklenstein fats. That's on top of 7 g of
saturated fat.
Is this premeditated murder, or a lesser crime, like negligent
homicide?
All those times I ordered their burgers "no bun." I had no idea.
[censored]. Go check it out on their website, then tell the whole world.
http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=item&itemID=6

--Bryan

It is my understanding that beef naturally contains some trans fats. And
so does dairy.

Therefire, it is possible that the trans fats in question aren't
manufacturing additives at all.

----------------------------------------------------
http://www.nebeef.org/nutrition_faqs.asp

Q: Does beef contain trans fatty acids?
A: Recently, a great deal of attention has been focused on health risks
associated with trans fatty acids. In terms of both structure and
function, the differences between man-made and naturally occurring trans
fatty acids result in very different health effects. Man-made trans fatty
acids, found in foods containing partially hydrogenated vegetable oils,
are a concern because research shows they raise LDL cholesterol levels and
also lower HDL cholesterol levels, thereby increasing risk for heart
disease. About 90% of all trans fat consumed in the American diet comes
from these man-made trans fats found in processed and snack foods such as
chips and cookies. The trans fatty acids that occur naturally in beef and
dairy foods have very different physiological and biological functions
compared to those found in processed foods. Research shows that naturally
occurring trans fatty acids of animal origin do not increase risk of
coronary heart disease and may decrease it. In particular, the trans fatty
acid conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), found in red meat and dairy products,
has been shown to have positive health benefits including inhibiting
breast and colon cancer tumor growth. Scientific literature acknowledges
that the potential benefits of CLA also may include its anti-diabetic
properties, enhanced immune response and positive effects on lean and fat
body mass and growth. (MacDonald, H.B. Conjugated linoleic acid and
disease prevention: a review of current knowledge. J. Am.Coll.Nutr.19:
111s-118s; 2000.) In fact, in its position paper on functional foods, the
American Dietetic Association identified CLA as a component in dairy
products and red meat that may alter cancer carcinogenesis. The biological
activities of CLA are still being identified and research on human
subjects is currently underway. According to the 1990 Nutrition Labeling
and Education Act (NLEA), claims about fat, saturated fat and cholesterol
can be made for foods only if they meet strict requirements as defined by
the government. A "lean" product is less than 10 grams of fat, 4.5 grams
or less of saturated fat and less than 95 milligrams of cholesterol per
serving and per 100 grams.
------------------------

Trans-vaccenic acid and conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) are natural
transfats found in beef and dairy. It is definitely very desirable to
consume these fatty acids! For more info, check out this thread .. Beef
prevents cancer
(http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?p=396147&highlight=cla#post396147).

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Right. The day Bush came into office, Karl Rove ordered all fast-food chains
to start buying trans fats from Halliburton and use them in all fast foods.
When Clinton was wolfing down BKs and Big Macs, they were heart-healthy.
Only side effect was that it made you want to have your interns switch to
tube steak.

You're a freaking moron.

You can thank the Republicans in Congress and the White House for that.

Quoted message said:

The fast food industry gives huge amounts of money, almost exclusively
to the GOP.