Best tire for winter (snow) commuting?

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I'm planning to commute through the winter and this will include riding in the snow. What's the
largest tire that will fit under my Chorus brakes?

This depends on the frame design and width of the rim. I was able to run a Panaracer 700x32 in the
rear and an Avocet 700x28 in the front with mine.

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Have any suggestions for a 'best' tire combining min rolling resistance and max traction?

I think you will not find any appreciable difference in performance in snow among road tires of a
given size. If you want better then use a mountain bike for your snow riding. A $100 used mountain
bike could make a great snow commuter.

icebike.comicebike.comOpen ↗ is a good site to visit for winter riding info.

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I'm planning to commute through the winter and this will include riding in the snow. What's the
largest tire that will fit under my Chorus brakes?

This depends on the frame design and width of the rim. I was able to run a Panaracer 700x32 in the
rear and an Avocet 700x28 in the front with mine.

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Have any suggestions for a 'best' tire combining min rolling resistance and max traction?

I think you will not find any appreciable difference in performance in snow among road tires of a
given size. If you want better then use a mountain bike for your snow riding. A $100 used mountain
bike could make a great snow commuter.

icebike.comicebike.comOpen ↗ is a good site to visit for winter riding info.

Mountain bikes are definately the way to go when it's slippery. The wider, softer tires stay hooked
up better, and the bike is easier to control when it starts slipping. You can actually recover from
slips and slides on a mountain bike, where with a traditional road bike you're down before you even
know what's happening. Suspension helps too -- it can help keep the front wheel hooked up, plus it's
more comfortable on bumpy, rutty, icy streets. Finally, for when it's really bad, you can get nice
studded tires for mountain bikes.

Matt O.

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icebike.comicebike.comOpen ↗ is a good site to visit for winter riding info.

From the page about black ice:

"Turns on Black Ice are best accomplished by keeping the bike as upright as possible. This may
involve offsetting your upper body to the side (toward the direction you want to turn) while at the
same time keeping the bike upright. The principal reason to keep the bike upright is NOT to keep
more of your tire tread (or studs) in contact with the road, but more simply, that a leaning bike
necessarily puts lateral forces on the tire at the contact patch. The contact patch (where the
rubber meets the ice) is that preciously small area providing all the traction. Black Ice frequently
does not supply enough traction to counteract this lateral force, the tire slips out from under you,
and down you go. "

Isn't this statement not only erroneous, but self-contradicting???

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Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Dave S said:

I'm planning to commute through the winter and this will include riding in the snow. What's the
largest tire that will fit under my Chorus brakes? Have any suggestions for a 'best' tire
combining min rolling resistance and max traction?

Also, have any feedback on Tufo's clincher tubulars?

And yes, I'd love to get a cross bike but that'll have to wait until next year.

If your area uses road salt, you'd be better off with a $30 thrift store bike than a pair of tires.

Clearance under caliper varies by framebuilder. Can be 25 can be 30. Stop at LBS and slip in a
wheel or two.

Tufo's stuff is great and cheap too. Like their tub/clincher Cross, which probably won't fit under
your caliper
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I'm planning to commute through the winter and this will include riding in the snow.

Dave, forget the junk miles, guys like me will be doing quality time indoors when the temp gets
under 8 c or it looks like it might rain.

That's how you improve your riding for next season.

Fabrizio Mazzoleni <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Dave, forget the junk miles, guys like me will be doing quality time indoors when the temp gets
: under 8 c or it looks like it might rain.
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: That's how you improve your riding for next season.

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Quoted message said:

I'm planning to commute through the winter and this will include riding in the snow. What's the
largest tire that will fit under my Chorus brakes? Have any suggestions for a 'best' tire
combining min rolling resistance and max traction?

Also, have any feedback on Tufo's clincher tubulars?

And yes, I'd love to get a cross bike but that'll have to wait until next year.

Thx, Dave

(Fabrizio Mazzoleni) said:

Dave, forget the junk miles, guys like me will be doing quality time indoors when the temp gets
under 8 c or it looks like it might rain.

That's how you improve your riding for next season.

Maybe he's not riding "for next season" but rather for now, to commute and also perhaps just
enjoy himself.

JT

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Dave, forget the junk miles, guys like me will be doing quality time indoors when the temp gets
under 8 c or it looks like it might rain.

That's how you improve your riding for next season.

Maybe he's not riding "for next season" but rather for now, to commute and also perhaps just enjoy
himself.

JT

Your first mistake was to take any post by Fabrizio (or an imitator perhaps) seriously.

If you plan on riding in snow I would recommend not-too-wide cross tires. Snow likes narrow tires. I
used 700x28 last winter and that was fine. Drag on dry roads is not too bad, and grab in snow is
good. Cheap, green and fine-looking !

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Dave S said:

I'm planning to commute through the winter and this will include riding in the snow. What's the
largest tire that will fit under my Chorus brakes? Have any suggestions for a 'best' tire
combining min rolling resistance and max traction?

Also, have any feedback on Tufo's clincher tubulars?

And yes, I'd love to get a cross bike but that'll have to wait until next year.

Thx, Dave

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Squid-in-Training said:

"Turns on Black Ice are best accomplished by keeping the bike as upright as possible. This may
involve offsetting your upper body to the side (toward the direction you want to turn) while at the
same time keeping the bike upright. The principal reason to keep the bike upright is NOT to keep
more of your tire tread (or studs) in contact with the road, but more simply, that a leaning bike
necessarily puts lateral forces on the tire at the contact patch. The contact patch (where the
rubber meets the ice) is that preciously small area providing all the traction. Black Ice
frequently does not supply enough traction to counteract this lateral force, the tire slips out
from under you, and down you go. "

Isn't this statement not only erroneous, but self-contradicting???

Hmm. Well, if you're going to turn at speed, those lateral forces are going to exist whether the
bike's upright or not (viz, cars breaking out of turns. They don't lean much/at all.). On the other
hand, I *have* observed that keeping the bike upright helps in, well, keeping the bike upright in
icy conditions. Course, the appropriate method is just to Not Ride Like A Frigging Maniac On Roads
That Can't Support Those Speeds!

Jasper

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icebike.comicebike.comOpen ↗ is a good site to visit for winter riding info.

From the page about black ice:

"Turns on Black Ice are best accomplished by keeping the bike as upright as possible. This may
involve offsetting your upper body to the side (toward the direction you want to turn) while at
the same time keeping the bike upright. The principal reason to keep the bike upright is NOT to
keep more of your tire tread (or studs) in contact with the road, but more simply, that a leaning
bike necessarily puts lateral forces on the tire at the contact patch. The contact patch (where
the rubber meets the ice) is that preciously small area providing all the traction. Black Ice
frequently does not supply enough traction to counteract this lateral force, the tire slips out
from under you, and down you go. "

Isn't this statement not only erroneous, but self-contradicting???

I'm not sure if it's erroneous, but it's not necessarily self-contradictory. With a slick tire,
wouldn't the contact remain the same size whether you're leaning or upright? Whether the same is
true of knobbies depends on the design of the tread, I suppose.