best running shoes?

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What information is required to get the "right" shoe?

you tell the salesperson at the runner's shop, "I don't want the Left
shoe, I want the opposite of the Left shoe". I'm confident this will
then get your the "right" shoe. Try it & good luck!

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:48:40 -0500, Robert Megee <[email hidden]>

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There probably is more than one brand that are considered among the
best running shoes and I don't really want to start a war. I'm happy
with my Brooks but figure that they are a 4 or 5 month shoe so would
like to know what brand and model to consider for an upgrade.
What information is required to get the "right" shoe? Such as my
gait.

If you are looking for a long-life shoe, go with asics. They used to
give me well over 1,000 miles, although later models tend to last less
time.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What information is required to get the "right" shoe?

you tell the salesperson at the runner's shop, "I don't want the Left
shoe, I want the opposite of the Left shoe". I'm confident this will
then get your the "right" shoe. Try it & good luck!

Wow! That was easier than I thought!

Robert Megee said:

There probably is more than one brand that are considered among the
best running shoes and I don't really want to start a war. I'm happy
with my Brooks but figure that they are a 4 or 5 month shoe so would
like to know what brand and model to consider for an upgrade.

For whatever silly reason, wreck.jogging fetishizes shoes brands; but
what really matters is the specific *model* of shoe. If you're happy
with your Brooks Beast, then the Brooks T4 would probably be a
contender for worst possible shoe for you. Brooks Adrenaline, Racer
ST, Glycerin, Radius, Addiction - all different shoes, with different
weights, for different runners.

It's more productive to compare shoes of a similar *type* rather than
brand - e.g. if you need a heavy-duty motion control shoe, consider
Brooks Beast and Asics whatever (Foundation? Kayano?) and whatever New
Balance models etc. For a substantial (8-9 oz) racing flat consider
Brooks Racer ST or Asics Gel-Magic or Tiger Paw or New Balance 900.
Within a category, these shoes from competing brands have a lot more in
common with each other than two random shoes from one brand.

As for upgrade: define "upgrade". If the shoes you're in are working
for you - feel good, allow you to run the mileage you want without
injury - then I'm not sure what an upgrade's supposed to be, nor indeed
why you'd want to change anything.

You can buy too little shoe by not spending enough, but once you've
found the right shoe you're not going to get something even better by
throwing money at it... if say Asics 1100 were a great shoe for you,
the pricier "top of the line" Kayano would likely be a poorer choice.

Me, I like to have a number of shoes in rotation at any one time, of
somewhat different types for different purposes. e.g. regular trainers
(Nike Air Span Triax) for long runs on pavement; beefy flats (Brooks
Racer ST, Asics Gel Magic) for some faster running and/or shorter
running on pavement or longer on dirt; very light flats (couple diff
Nikes) for racing and also for short slow recovery runs; etc. Some
runners think mixing up the shoes like this is good for strengthening
feet and legs and maybe even avoiding repetitive stress injury. Others
have better luck finding a shoe which works for them and sticking with
it.

Quoted message said:

If you are looking for a long-life shoe, go with asics. They used to
give me well over 1,000 miles, although later models tend to last less
time.

Thank Bill, I'll check them out.

Robert

On 20 Aug 2005 07:40:43 -0700, "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

if you need a heavy-duty motion control shoe, consider
Brooks Beast and Asics whatever (Foundation? Kayano?) and whatever New
Balance models etc.

Asics is the best MC shoe on the market today. Get the 2000 series.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

On 20 Aug 2005 07:40:43 -0700, "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Robert Megee said:

There probably is more than one brand that are considered among the
best running shoes and I don't really want to start a war. I'm happy
with my Brooks but figure that they are a 4 or 5 month shoe so would
like to know what brand and model to consider for an upgrade.

For whatever silly reason, wreck.jogging fetishizes shoes brands; but
what really matters is the specific *model* of shoe. If you're happy
with your Brooks Beast, then the Brooks T4 would probably be a
contender for worst possible shoe for you. Brooks Adrenaline, Racer
ST, Glycerin, Radius, Addiction - all different shoes, with different
weights, for different runners.

It's more productive to compare shoes of a similar *type* rather than
brand - e.g. if you need a heavy-duty motion control shoe, consider
Brooks Beast and Asics whatever (Foundation? Kayano?) and whatever New
Balance models etc. For a substantial (8-9 oz) racing flat consider
Brooks Racer ST or Asics Gel-Magic or Tiger Paw or New Balance 900.
Within a category, these shoes from competing brands have a lot more in
common with each other than two random shoes from one brand.

As for upgrade: define "upgrade". If the shoes you're in are working
for you - feel good, allow you to run the mileage you want without
injury - then I'm not sure what an upgrade's supposed to be, nor indeed
why you'd want to change anything.

You can buy too little shoe by not spending enough, but once you've
found the right shoe you're not going to get something even better by
throwing money at it... if say Asics 1100 were a great shoe for you,
the pricier "top of the line" Kayano would likely be a poorer choice.

Me, I like to have a number of shoes in rotation at any one time, of
somewhat different types for different purposes. e.g. regular trainers
(Nike Air Span Triax) for long runs on pavement; beefy flats (Brooks
Racer ST, Asics Gel Magic) for some faster running and/or shorter
running on pavement or longer on dirt; very light flats (couple diff
Nikes) for racing and also for short slow recovery runs; etc. Some
runners think mixing up the shoes like this is good for strengthening
feet and legs and maybe even avoiding repetitive stress injury. Others
have better luck finding a shoe which works for them and sticking with
it.

I was afraid it was a complex issue. Sounds like the best thing I can
do is find a salesperson that I can work with. I worry a bit about
that but all these variables are new to me. When I tried the Brooks
"Universal Platform" shoes I noticed that they seemed much better than
the other brands I tried. So along with the help of a salesperson,
I'll probably look for shoes that feel good too.

Robert

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:23:50 -0400, The Bill Rodgers <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On 20 Aug 2005 07:40:43 -0700, "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

if you need a heavy-duty motion control shoe, consider
Brooks Beast and Asics whatever (Foundation? Kayano?) and whatever New
Balance models etc.

Asics is the best MC shoe on the market today. Get the 2000 series.

Thanks again Bill for the info.

Quoted message said:

TBR

"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

My undergraduate school was a small college in Arkansas. Not much
money for research so we concentrated on theory. When I went to
graduate school I was in classes with MIT grads. Needless to say I
was the only one that made it through my quals the first time.
The guys from mit had jumped into their area of specialiaty as
undergrads and therefore had a narrow background.

Robert

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:56:12 -0500, Robert Megee <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I was afraid it was a complex issue. Sounds like the best thing I can
do is find a salesperson that I can work with. I worry a bit about
that but all these variables are new to me. When I tried the Brooks
"Universal Platform" shoes I noticed that they seemed much better than
the other brands I tried. So along with the help of a salesperson,
I'll probably look for shoes that feel good too.

If they point you tords nikes, point yourself out the door. Nike makes
one or two good shoes, but all are at least a third over the price of
comparable shoes in more reputable brands. Nikes are designer shoes.
not running shoes.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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Nike makes one or two good shoes,

1.Mayfly
2. Air Zoom Pegasus Racer
3. Marathon
4. Air Streak Vapor IV
5. Zoom Miler (Lance Edition of course)
6 Zoom Streak XC
7. Zoom Eldoret

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Nikes are designer shoes.

not running shoes.

....that the fastest runners on earth wear.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Nike makes one or two good shoes,

1.Mayfly
2. Air Zoom Pegasus Racer
3. Marathon
4. Air Streak Vapor IV
5. Zoom Miler (Lance Edition of course)
6 Zoom Streak XC
7. Zoom Eldoret

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Nikes are designer shoes.

not running shoes.

...that the fastest runners on earth wear.

Every shoe you list can be had at at least a third LESS than nikes, in
a superior brand. You pay for advertising.
The fastest runners wear the shoes that the highest paying shoe
company wants him/her too.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Nike Mayfly is $45. Whats the shoe that can be purchased for less than
$15 in a superior brand?

TBR, kindly STFU. Thank you Sir.

Robert Megee said:

I was afraid it was a complex issue. Sounds like the best thing I can
do is find a salesperson that I can work with. I worry a bit about
that but all these variables are new to me. When I tried the Brooks
"Universal Platform" shoes I noticed that they seemed much better than
the other brands I tried. So along with the help of a salesperson,
I'll probably look for shoes that feel good too.

Charlie gave you some really good information. Getting "shoes that feel
good" for fit is primary concern and be sure they work biomechanically also.

Here's a couple links that might help you with some terminology and
thoughts. I've found it helpful to be at least a little educated when
going into the store - so that either I can ask intelligent questions if
I don't understand what the salesperson is saying or recognize that
maybe the salesperson may not be that familiar with shoe fitting.

http://www.runnersworld.com/channel/1,5032,s6-52-0-0-0,00.html
http://tinyurl.com/akj7q

I'm not really sure what the Brooks "universal platform" is, but all my
recent shoes (5 models) that I've tried at least a little are Brooks
with Universal platform, including the one I use for running (Trespass)
and the one I use for everyday wear (Adrenaline). (2 other models are
being tested) The "improved" version of the shoe I use most is also
Universal platform, but the fit was very different (too narrow) as is
the flexibility (more rigid). It was among the worst shoes for me. That
said, the toe box (need wide on Adrenalines) on the others (all trail
shoes) seems to work better for me than many other shoes I've tried. So
the universal platform may not be a good guide. Just a thought.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Nikes are designer shoes.

not running shoes.

...that the fastest runners on earth wear.

I would too, if I were getting paid what the fastest runners on earth were
getting paid to wear their Nikes.

--
Phil M.

Quoted message said:

Nike Mayfly is $45. Whats the shoe that can be purchased for less than
$15 in a superior brand?

A superior piece of [censored]. That is a [censored] showe, just like the rest of
nikes. Running in these is like running in Walmart joggers.
When faced with facts, Lanciepoo yells "STFU". What a little [censored] you
are Lance.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Phil M. said:

I would too, if I were getting paid what the fastest runners on earth were
getting paid to wear their Nikes.

EXACTLY!!!

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Phil M. said:

I would too, if I were getting paid what the fastest runners on earth were
getting paid to wear their Nikes.

AND they are wearing cutom shoes DESIGNED ESPECIALLY for them, so they
aren't really wearing nikes at all. First they design the shoe, then
put the swoosh on it for them, and call it a nike.
P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C!

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Dot dot.h@#duh?att.net said:

Robert Megee said:

I was afraid it was a complex issue. Sounds like the best thing I can
do is find a salesperson that I can work with. I worry a bit about
that but all these variables are new to me. When I tried the Brooks
"Universal Platform" shoes I noticed that they seemed much better than
the other brands I tried. So along with the help of a salesperson,
I'll probably look for shoes that feel good too.

Charlie gave you some really good information. Getting "shoes that feel
good" for fit is primary concern and be sure they work biomechanically also.

Here's a couple links that might help you with some terminology and
thoughts. I've found it helpful to be at least a little educated when
going into the store - so that either I can ask intelligent questions if
I don't understand what the salesperson is saying or recognize that
maybe the salesperson may not be that familiar with shoe fitting.

http://www.runnersworld.com/channel/1,5032,s6-52-0-0-0,00.html
http://tinyurl.com/akj7q

I'm not really sure what the Brooks "universal platform" is, but all my
recent shoes (5 models) that I've tried at least a little are Brooks
with Universal platform, including the one I use for running (Trespass)
and the one I use for everyday wear (Adrenaline). (2 other models are
being tested) The "improved" version of the shoe I use most is also
Universal platform, but the fit was very different (too narrow) as is
the flexibility (more rigid). It was among the worst shoes for me. That
said, the toe box (need wide on Adrenalines) on the others (all trail
shoes) seems to work better for me than many other shoes I've tried. So
the universal platform may not be a good guide. Just a thought.

Dot

thanks for the link. I'll do a bit of research.

Robert

The Bill Rodgers said:

Phil M. said:

I would too, if I were getting paid what the fastest runners on earth were
getting paid to wear their Nikes.

AND they are wearing cutom shoes DESIGNED ESPECIALLY for them,

The closest thing to a "custom shoe designed especially for" a top athlete
is the Nike Kennedy spike. But you can buy those in any store that sell good
track spikes. The point is, once they've got their "custom" design, they
offer those to everyone.

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so they aren't really wearing nikes at all.

I call BS on that. They're standard "off the shelf" shoes. I have yet to see
anyone post a shred of evidence that *ANY* shoe manufacturer makes any
customisation besides color to road shoes (that manufacturer was Asics, btw)

Why would Nike bother with custom builds when they could just sell the same
models they design for their elite runners ? Nike were clearly thinking of
their elites when they designed sub 6oz shoes like the Nike Zoom Streak XC
and the Streak Vapor (both very popular among the elite men btw)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/