Best rider spring 2004

(Kenny) said:

now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us,
who's the man of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

Boogerd won nothing, so he can't be there. I'd say:
1. Rebellin
2. Boonen
3. Wesemann

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now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us,
who's the man of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

The top two in that order. Not sure about Boogerd, as he
hasn't actually won a race this year. 2nd in Amstel, Liege
and Brabantse Pijl ain't too bad, but it's not the same as a
win. Wesemann, Backstedt and Freire have all at least won
big races.

Jeff

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who's the man of the season so far?

Manzano

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now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us,
who's the man of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

The top two in that order. Not sure about Boogerd, as he
hasn't actually won a race this year. 2nd in Amstel, Liege
and Brabantse Pijl ain't too bad, but it's not the same as
a win. Wesemann, Backstedt and Freire have all at least
won big races.

Jeff

yeah i know. but you have to admit he is really strong. And
he already riding at a high level since the E3 in Harelbeke
or even earlier. Freire and Backsted had two good days and
that's about it. Boogerd deserves better cause he has
allways an attractive way of racing. Pitty for him he's not
a PVP-like finisher.

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now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us,
who's the man of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

Chris Horner

Davide Tosi said:

(Kenny) said:

now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us,
who's the man of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

Boogerd won nothing, so he can't be there. I'd say:
1. Rebellin
2. Boonen
3. Wesemann

4. George!

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yeah i know. but you have to admit he is really strong.
And he already riding at a high level since the E3 in
Harelbeke or even earlier. Freire and Backsted had two
good days and that's about it. Boogerd deserves better
cause he has allways an attractive way of racing. Pitty
for him he's not a PVP-like finisher.

I admit he's really strong, and he's always there in the
finale. He definitely scores points for consistency and
aggressiveness. I'd put Freire in front of him though, based
on results.

If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably give
Armstrong a mention too (say in fourth place).

Jeff

Jeff Jones said:

If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably
give Armstrong a mention too (say in fourth place).

What, before Jaksche and Valverde?

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If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably
give Armstrong a mention too (say in fourth place).

What, before Jaksche and Valverde?

And Bettini, Zabel, Voigt, Menchov, Boogerd, Julich. I'd put
them all in fourth place :-). Actually looking at the top
100 riders of 2004, Armstrong is 32nd so he probably
shouldn't rate very highly in this poll, despite winning a
bunch sprint. Shows how important recent results are!

I'm also pretty impressed with Jens Voigt, who I'd always
considered a strong rider but definitely not a climber,
beating Armstrong to the top of Brasstown Bald on Saturday.

Jeff

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1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

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The top two in that order. Not sure about Boogerd, as he
hasn't actually won a race this year. 2nd in Amstel, Liege
and Brabantse Pijl ain't too bad, but it's not the same as
a win. Wesemann, Backstedt and Freire have all at least
won big races.

Boogerd for best domestique. I hope Rebellin at least sends
him a nice Christmas card.

Dekker for Most Disappointed Guy in the World (but too
classy to say it).

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If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably
give Armstrong a mention too (say in fourth place).

What, before Jaksche and Valverde?

And Bettini, Zabel, Voigt, Menchov, Boogerd, Julich. I'd
put them all in fourth place :-). Actually looking at the
top 100 riders of 2004, Armstrong is 32nd so he probably
shouldn't rate very highly in this poll, despite winning a
bunch sprint. Shows how important recent results are!

I'm also pretty impressed with Jens Voigt, who I'd always
considered a strong rider but definitely not a climber,
beating Armstrong to the top of Brasstown Bald on
Saturday.

Makes you wonder what Riis will make of that, huh?

Kenny said:

now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us,
who's the man of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

4. Phillip Thuaux

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Dekker for Most Disappointed Guy in the World (but too
classy to say it).

??? Come on, the guy came back from nowhere. He attacked
on the cipressa and finished top-10 in Flanders, Gold Race
and LBL. Now that's means much more than winning the tour
of Georgia.

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If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably
give Armstrong a mention too (say in fourth place).

Jeff

Huh?? what for? two 2.3 wins and that's it. Which is of
course great in comparison to Ullrich, but in comparison to
others that doesn't mean much.

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If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably
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Jeff

Huh?? what for? two 2.3 wins and that's it. Which is of
course great in comparison to Ullrich, but in comparison
to others that doesn't mean much.

I agree (see other post). But you gotta admit he gets bonus
points for winning a bunch sprint :-)

Jeff

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Dekker for Most Disappointed Guy in the World (but too
classy to say it).

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??? Come on, the guy came back from nowhere. He attacked
on the cipressa and finished top-10 in Flanders, Gold Race
and LBL. Now that's means much more than winning the tour
of Georgia.

I mean, this is no slam on Dekker. Three times he was the
strong guy in the second group (okay, third group in
Amstel), but in Flanders the other guys had teammates up the
road and wouldn't work, and in Amstel and LBL, his teammate
was up the road and made a botch of it. I have to think that
if Erik had had just a bit more to get into the first
selection, that he would have taken out one of those races.

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If we were considering non-classics riders I'd
probably give Armstrong a mention too (say in fourth
place).

Jeff

Huh?? what for? two 2.3 wins and that's it. Which is of
course great in comparison to Ullrich, but in comparison
to others that doesn't mean much.

I agree (see other post). But you gotta admit he gets
bonus points for winning a bunch sprint :-)

Jeff

With a pretty good bike throw, too. Looked like he'd been
doing that one for years (heh).

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Benjamin Weiner said:

Dekker for Most Disappointed Guy in the World (but too
classy to say it).

There was some controversy in the papers, but on his website
Dekker refuted any possible bad feelings between him and
Boogerd. Quote: "It's all still a game." Sorry, too lazy (or
busy actually) to translate all.

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??? Come on, the guy came back from nowhere. He attacked
on the cipressa and finished top-10 in Flanders, Gold
Race and LBL. Now that's means much more than winning
the tour of Georgia.

I mean, this is no slam on Dekker. Three times he was the
strong guy in the second group (okay, third group in
Amstel), but in Flanders the other guys had teammates up
the road and wouldn't work, and in Amstel and LBL, his
teammate was up the road and made a botch of it. I have
to think that if Erik had had just a bit more to get into
the first selection, that he would have taken out one of
those races.

Dekker is going to get what's coming to him. I bet two
tablespoonfuls of Vegemite that he wins one of those first
three Liegesque stages in the Tour this year, and earns the
yellow jersey in the process.