Best Rear Track Hubs?

bruyan-<< I need to purchase a new rear track/fixed hub for my bike (will be used on urban streets
-- not on a velodrome). I am interested in people thoughts about various brands, is there a
consensus "best of class"? >><BR><BR>

Hard to beat Phil Wood, I have a pair and they are magnificent....

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bryan said:

I need to purchase a new rear track/fixed hub for my bike (will be used on urban streets -- not on
a velodrome). I am interested in people thoughts about various brands, is there a consensus "best
of class"? Are there brands considered by many, that I should stay away from?

I have a Dura-Ace double-sided (fixed/fixed) that is a dream. Beautifully designed and engineered --
it will probably outlast me. If it's not "the best", it doesn't matter. It is plenty. Not cheap,
though, and there are good cheaper hubs.

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I was planning to purchase a 32 hole chubhub but found out that the company is out of stock on
that version and they only have 28 hole hubs in stock.

Definitely don't bother with the 28, unless you are very, very light.

Quoted message said:

Finally, forgive my ignorance, but is it better to get a serviceable hub than to get one
that isn't?

So, should you get a hub you can service, or one you have to throw away when the bearings wear out?
Is that really what you are asking?

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Quoted message said:

I need to purchase a new rear track/fixed hub for my bike (will be used on urban streets -- not on
a velodrome). I am interested in people thoughts about various brands, is there a consensus "best
of class"? Are there brands considered by many, that I should stay away from?

Also, what does anybody know about the Chub Hub (www.chubhub.com), billed by the company as the
"Ultimate Fixey Hub". Does anybody have one? Are they really the ultimate? How do they stand up
over time regarding their wear and tear?

I was planning to purchase a 32 hole chubhub but found out that the company is out of stock on
that version and they only have 28 hole hubs in stock. I need a 32. Is it worth the wait? Or
should I go with another brand?

Finally, forgive my ignorance, but is it better to get a serviceable hub than to get one
that isn't?

Thanks! Bryan Walton

Suzue Pro Max hubs seem very nice, but I haven't ridden one.

I've had a pair of Dura Ace track hubs. Nice. Now I'm riding a pair of Superbe Pro hubs on one
wheelset, and Campy Record on the other. My Zipp340 rear wheel has an Am. Classic hub that was
converted to track axles.

Mike

Quoth Bryan Walton:

Quoted message said:

I need to purchase a new rear track/fixed hub for my bike (will be used on urban streets -- not on
a velodrome). I am interested in people thoughts about various brands, is there a consensus "best
of class"?

Phil Wood. Nothing else comes close.

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Also, what does anybody know about the Chub Hub (www.chubhub.com), billed by the company as the
"Ultimate Fixey Hub".

It's a silly gimmick, a solution to a non-existent problem.

Quoted message said:

I was planning to purchase a 32 hole chubhub but found out that the company is out of stock on
that version and they only have 28 hole hubs in stock. I need a 32. Is it worth the wait? Or
should I go with another brand?

A fixed/fixed Phil is only $9 more, might as well get the best. The ability to use two fixed
sprockets for different gears is a very nice feature. (You can also replace either of the fixed
sprockets with a freewheel if you want.)

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Finally, forgive my ignorance, but is it better to get a serviceable hub than to get one
that isn't?

Most of the best fixed-gear hubs use standard cartridge bearings.

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In article said:

Quoted message said:

Finally, forgive my ignorance, but is it better to get a serviceable hub than to get one
that isn't?

So, should you get a hub you can service, or one you have to throw away when the bearings wear
out? Is that really what you are asking?

Sorry David, didn't mean to reply to you personally. So I will pose the same followup question
here. I am not sure what I really mean by servicable. In another reply to me, Peter recommended
Phil Wood hubs. But as I understand it, Phil Wood hubs are "production sealed bearing bicycle
hubs". Am I correct in thinking that this means I would not be able to replace the bearings in this
hub? Or am I mistaken.

Thanks again, Bryan Walton

Sheldon Brown said:

A fixed/fixed Phil is only $9 more, might as well get the best. The ability to use two fixed
sprockets for different gears is a very nice feature.

While you're in this thread; is there any good way to fit two or more fixed sprockets to the same
side of a hub, short of opening up a freewheel and somehow jiggering the mechanism?

I was thinking if one could get appropriate sprocket sizes and spacing this could be combined with
two chainrings with a like size difference for a two-speed fixed that doesn't need flipped...
--
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David Damerell queried:

Quoted message said:

While you're in this thread; is there any good way to fit two or more fixed sprockets to the same
side of a hub, short of opening up a freewheel and somehow jiggering the mechanism?

You can generally fit two sprockets onto a _freewheel_ type hub, using Loctite or the like to
secure them.

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I was thinking if one could get appropriate sprocket sizes and spacing this could be combined with
two chainrings with a like size difference for a two-speed fixed that doesn't need flipped...

If you use only a single chainring, this will lead to poor chainline in at least one of the gears.

You could do it with a double chainring. I've done something similar with two-speed freewheels on a
couple of my own bikes...see:

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Quoted message said:

I need to purchase a new rear track/fixed hub for my bike (will be used on urban streets -- not on
a velodrome). I am interested in people thoughts about various brands, is there a consensus "best
of class"?

Try Goldtec - good price and nothing is better.

"In virtute sunt multi ascensus" .- Cicero On 28 Oct 2003 08:54:20 -0600,

Quoted message said:

I need to purchase a new rear track/fixed hub for my bike (will be used on urban streets -- not on
a velodrome). I am interested in people thoughts about various brands, is there a consensus "best
of class"?

Early responders have already named the Phil Wood model as a worthy candidate. If you're not
allergic to doing some occasional bearing service, I'd add Shimano's 7710 (small flange) hubs as an
alternative that merits serious consideration.

The Shimano model uses traditionally nutted axles (good on their own, but also allows conversion
to hollow axles with quick-release skewers for convenience on the road). The small hub flanges
are, of course,

hardware are as-good-as-it-gets-or-has-ever-been. The rear hubs are offered in options either for
a single sprocket and lockring or in a duplex configuration threaded on each side for sprocket
and lockring.

Oh, compared to the cost of the Phil's, you get to keep about a hundred dollars in your pocket.
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In article said:

Quoth Bryan Walton:

Quoted message said:

I need to purchase a new rear track/fixed hub for my bike (will be used on urban streets -- not
on a velodrome). I am interested in people thoughts about various brands, is there a consensus
"best of class"?

Phil Wood. Nothing else comes close.

Hi Sheldon, Thanks for the reply. Sounds good. I think I will go with a Phil Wood. Also, thanks for
the opinions regarding the chubhub. Now, next question: large vs. small flange? Does it really
matter anymore?

Thanks, Bryan

zxcvbn said:

In article said:

Quoted message said:

Finally, forgive my ignorance, but is it better to get a serviceable hub than to get one that
isn't?

So, should you get a hub you can service, or one you have to throw away when the bearings wear
out? Is that really what you are asking?

Sorry David, didn't mean to reply to you personally. So I will pose the same followup question
here. I am not sure what I really mean by servicable. In another reply to me, Peter recommended
Phil Wood hubs. But as I understand it, Phil Wood hubs are "production sealed bearing bicycle
hubs". Am I correct in thinking that this means I would not be able to replace the bearings in
this hub? Or am I mistaken.

The bearings in a Phil Wood hub are replacable. They are not even all that expensive.

--

David L. Johnson

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Quoth Bryan Walton:

Quoted message said:

Hi Sheldon, Thanks for the reply. Sounds good. I think I will go with a Phil Wood. Also, thanks
for the opinions regarding the chubhub. Now, next question: large vs. small flange? Does it really
matter anymore?

Large flange is prettier.

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Quoted message said:

David Damerell queried:

Quoted message said:

While you're in this thread; is there any good way to fit two or

more fixed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sprockets to the same side of a hub, short of opening up a freewheel

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

somehow jiggering the mechanism?

You can generally fit two sprockets onto a _freewheel_ type hub, using Loctite or the like to
secure them.

Quoted message said:

I was thinking if one could get appropriate sprocket sizes and

spacing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

this could be combined with two chainrings with a like size

difference for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a two-speed fixed that doesn't need flipped...

If you use only a single chainring, this will lead to poor chainline

in

Quoted message said:

at least one of the gears.

You could do it with a double chainring. I've done something similar with two-speed freewheels on
a couple of my own bikes...see:

sheldonbrown.orghercules.htmlOpen ↗

How did you fit a standard five speed freewheel on a flip-flop hub? -- Jay Beattie.

I said:

Quoted message said:

You could do it with a double chainring. I've done something similar with two-speed freewheels on
a couple of my own bikes...see:

sheldonbrown.orghercules.htmlOpen ↗

Jay Beattie asked:

Quoted message said:

How did you fit a standard five speed freewheel on a flip-flop hub? -- Jay Beattie.

A few extra axle spacers, a bit of dish. This setup has non-standard chainline...the fixed sprocket
on one side, and the smaller sprocket on the freewheel line up with the large chainring; the large
freewheel sprocket lines up with the small chainring.

Not sure the actual chainline...I did this setup back when I was eyeballing chainline, not measuring
it as I do now.

Back in the day, it used to be not terribly uncommon to see hubs set up for a 4- or 5-speed
freewheel on one side, fixed on t'other, allowing the same wheel to be used in both modes.

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"Abiit, excessit, evasit, erupit". - Cicero On 28 Oct 2003 14:04:33 -0600,

Quoted message said:

I think I will go with a Phil Wood.

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Quoted message said:

Now, next question: large vs. small flange? Does it really matter anymore?

You'll be hard-pressed to find a perceptible difference between the flange sizes. If you're
interested in the small flange Phil Wood track model, don't drag your feet: the small flange track
model is now officially out of production. Accordingly, you'll soon be limited to what SF hubs
remain in inventory in whichever configurations are still available.

I have one 36x36 hole pair and one 32x32 hole pair of the small flange hubs left in stock (the rears
on both sets are duplex-type fixed/fixed). Same price as the equivalent large flange Phil track
models listed in the track section of our website (URL below).
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Quoted message said:

I need to purchase a new rear track/fixed hub for my bike (will be used on urban streets -- not on
a velodrome). I am interested in people thoughts about various brands, is there a consensus "best
of class"? Are there brands considered by many, that I should stay away from?

I went to our local sports consignment store and got an old Dura-Ace tubie wheel for $14, repacked
the bearings, rebuilt the wheel using a cheap clincher rim, respaced it to 126 and it works great.

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zxcvbn said:

In article said:

> Finally, forgive my ignorance, but is it better to get a serviceable hub than to get one that
> isn't?

So, should you get a hub you can service, or one you have to throw away when the bearings wear
out? Is that really what you are asking?

Sorry David, didn't mean to reply to you personally. So I will pose the same followup question
here. I am not sure what I really mean by servicable. In another reply to me, Peter recommended
Phil Wood hubs. But as I understand it, Phil Wood hubs are "production sealed bearing bicycle
hubs". Am I correct in thinking that this means I would not be able to replace the bearings in
this hub? Or am I mistaken.

The bearings in a Phil Wood hub are replacable. They are not even all that expensive.

--

$25 for a hub's worth of bearings insn't exactly inexpensive either.

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Quoth Bryan Walton:

Quoted message said:

Hi Sheldon, Thanks for the reply. Sounds good. I think I will go with a Phil Wood. Also, thanks
for the opinions regarding the chubhub. Now, next question: large vs. small flange? Does it
really matter anymore?

Large flange is prettier.

No-one should give a rat's ass about hub "beauty". FWIW, I think brunettes are more beautiful than
redheads, but I wouldn't recommend one for that reason.

Robin Hubert

Quoted message said:

I need to purchase a new rear track/fixed hub for my bike (will be used on urban streets -- not on
a velodrome). I am interested in people thoughts about various brands, is there a consensus "best
of class"? Are there brands considered by many, that I should stay away from?

Also, what does anybody know about the Chub Hub (www.chubhub.com), billed by the company as the
"Ultimate Fixey Hub". Does anybody have one? Are they really the ultimate? How do they stand up
over time regarding their wear and tear?

I was planning to purchase a 32 hole chubhub but found out that the company is out of stock on
that version and they only have 28 hole hubs in stock. I need a 32. Is it worth the wait? Or
should I go with another brand?

Finally, forgive my ignorance, but is it better to get a serviceable hub than to get one
that isn't?

Many brands have their unique features, foibles, adherents and detractors but my vote's for a Phil.

"Serviceable" is vague. Phils and some other cartridge hubs are straightforward for a bearing change
but do not normally require periodic manitenance like a loose-ball hub.
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