Beltran positive EPO

Oh well, Now it begins again. 😠 🙁

What do you say to this Cranky? Blows out of the water your theory that there would be no positive tests during the Tour.

Is this the Beltran from Postal/disco? The Lance haters will love this....

TheDarkLord said:

What do you say to this Cranky? Blows out of the water your theory that there would be no positive tests during the Tour.

azdroptop said:

Is this the Beltran from Postal/disco? The Lance haters will love this....

Yes, he was in Disco in 2005/6 and then moved to Liquigas.

What's the matter with you people...?
Obviously - it's French conspiracy.🙄
They're trying to discredit the great Armstrong😉

TheDarkLord said:

Yes, he was in Disco in 2005/6 and then moved to Liquigas.

Well, the answer's obvious. He didn't start doping until he went to that corrupt team Liquigas. 🙄

$100k - down the drain. Liqui-gas!

azdroptop said:

Is this the Beltran from Postal/disco? The Lance haters will love this....

We don't love doping moron. On the contrary, I hate it...which is why I dislike Lance so much. Seeing that he and his team were the doping vanguard, this is no surprise however.

I guess you Lance lovers will have to add another layer of denial for this one.

TheDarkLord said:

What do you say to this Cranky? Blows out of the water your theory that there would be no positive tests during the Tour.

Yep. I couldn't be happier. Maybe cycling does have a future where doping is not the norm.

Crankyfeet said:

Yep. I couldn't be happier. Maybe cycling does have a future where doping is not the norm.

Maybe they read this forum and realized that they had to bust people again this year or else people would be talking . . . 😄

Moron? Kettle, pot, black!

A bit sensitive are you. I was simply pointing out that anytime a rider even remotely connected to LA gets caught doping it is a reflection on LA. Meanwhile, the entire peloton is on drugs and it's basically ignored or explained away with such brilliant arguments like, "yeah, others are doping, but Disco has a super-doping program so it's not fair." They all do drugs! It's not going to change. "Doping Vanguard!" LOL

thoughtforfood said:

We don't love doping moron. On the contrary, I hate it...which is why I dislike Lance so much. Seeing that he and his team were the doping vanguard, this is no surprise however.

I guess you Lance lovers will have to add another layer of denial for this one.

azdroptop said:

Moron? Kettle, pot, black!

A bit sensitive are you. I was simply pointing out that anytime a rider even remotely connected to LA gets caught doping it is a reflection on LA. Meanwhile, the entire peloton is on drugs and it's basically ignored or explained away with such brilliant arguments like, "yeah, others are doping, but Disco has a super-doping program so it's not fair." They all do drugs! It's not going to change. "Doping Vanguard!" LOL

Nobody brought up LA until you did. 🙄 Personally, I don't see how his being in Disco has any bearing on this, since whatever he is doing now depends on what internal doping program Leakygas has (unless he is doing something personally).

Every time I start to get excited about professional cycling again, I get a cruel reminder of what professional cycling is all about.

This, of course, is not the first time Beltran has had rumors of EPO use...

tcklyde said:

Every time I start to get excited about professional cycling again, I get a cruel reminder of what professional cycling is all about.

Correction: this is what professional sport is about. Many other sports are content with sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the problem, or pretending that the problem doesn't exist. However, there are several indications that the sport is possibly cleaning up. For instance, teams with biological passport testing such as Garmin-Chipotle are able to stay with the other teams instead of getting dropped. Thus, unless Garmin-Chipotle is pulling wool over our eyes, that suggests a cleaner peloton.

azdroptop said:

Moron? Kettle, pot, black!

A bit sensitive are you. I was simply pointing out that anytime a rider even remotely connected to LA gets caught doping it is a reflection on LA. Meanwhile, the entire peloton is on drugs and it's basically ignored or explained away with such brilliant arguments like, "yeah, others are doping, but Disco has a super-doping program so it's not fair." They all do drugs! It's not going to change. "Doping Vanguard!" LOL

+1
And I'm neither a hater or lover of LA Confidential.

azdroptop said:

Moron? Kettle, pot, black!

A bit sensitive are you. I was simply pointing out that anytime a rider even remotely connected to LA gets caught doping it is a reflection on LA. Meanwhile, the entire peloton is on drugs and it's basically ignored or explained away with such brilliant arguments like, "yeah, others are doping, but Disco has a super-doping program so it's not fair." They all do drugs! It's not going to change. "Doping Vanguard!" LOL

I think the antipathy towards Disco/USPS/Lance is that they lead by example and showed everyone else in the peloton that crime pays (ie Master Doping with a Master Doping Doctor). Everyone else had to try to copy their game or perish by the roadside. Not that they were the first... they just made sure it persisted as the standard for achievement.

Also not many other dopers made tens of millions of dollars out of their cheating and walked scot free.

tonyzackery said:

+1
And I'm neither a hater or lover of LA Confidential.

I'm indifferent too. But, I must say, if anything all of these constant doping busts do nothing but dillute all of the "scandal" and negativity surrounding LA's wins . . . so, on a certain level it's a loss of sorts for all the true LA haters, who wish nothing but bad things for him specifically. In other words, essentially . . . the more riders there are caught doping, the more it takes away from the argument about everyone needing to hate Lance because he's a doper who cheated to win 7 times. 😉

I understand people hate him for a lot more than alleged doping . . . I'm just speaking strictly about the "Lance is a Doper" argument specifically.

Edit: and I see that Cranky has already countered my point. You apparently own a great crystal ball Crankster. 😄

TheDarkLord said:

Correction: this is what professional sport is about. Many other sports are content with sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the problem, or pretending that the problem doesn't exist. However, there are several indications that the sport is possibly cleaning up. For instance, teams with biological passport testing such as Garmin-Chipotle are able to stay with the other teams instead of getting dropped. Thus, unless Garmin-Chipotle is pulling wool over our eyes, that suggests a cleaner peloton.

I'm the last person to argue that other sports are clean. Is it a cleaner peloton after years of disaster? Was it a cleaner peloton in 1999?

tcklyde said:

I'm the last person to argue that other sports are clean. Is it a cleaner peloton after years of disaster? Was it a cleaner peloton in 1999?

You specifically mentioned cycling in your post; hence that response. I didn't watch the Tour before 2007, and so I can't answer for 1999, but from what I have gathered from the threads in this forum, it is only very recently that there is some semblance of cleanliness in the peloton.