"Before"

Tim Downie said:

"After" could be a long time coming but I hope it will be worth the wait.
;-)

They say luck favours those who make their own. In this case, there's more
than a bit of truth to it. Frustrated by the lack of a local Freecycle
group, I created one for my local town and am the group's owner and
moderator.

Now and again things come up that I rather fancy but I have always felt that
it's sort of unethical for me to nab something before the offer has gone on
general release. Last night, an offer came up that I just couldn't let slip
through my sticky fingers though. ;-)

Disgusting; what a low-life unscrupulous cad you are. You must be completely
without morals ;-)

Quoted message said:

It was a Flying Scot track frame (circa 1970s I think although I haven't
found the frame number yet). Just perfect to fulfill my fixie dreams.

Anyone know where I can get new replacement decals?

Have a look around:
http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/index.html

You could contact the site's owner who may be able to help.

HTH

John B

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie

(') said:

"After" could be a long time coming but I hope it will be worth the wait.
;-)

They say luck favours those who make their own. In this case, there's
more
than a bit of truth to it. Frustrated by the lack of a local Freecycle
group, I created one for my local town and am the group's owner and
moderator.

Now and again things come up that I rather fancy but I have always felt
that it's sort of unethical for me to nab something before the offer has
gone on
general release. Last night, an offer came up that I just couldn't let
slip through my sticky fingers though. ;-)

It was a Flying Scot track frame (circa 1970s I think although I haven't
found the frame number yet). Just perfect to fulfill my fixie dreams.

That certainly ain't a track frame. But you are one bloody lucky puppy and
I am /so/ jealous!

--
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'there are no solutions, only precipitates'

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie
([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It was a Flying Scot track frame (circa 1970s I think although I
haven't found the frame number yet). Just perfect to fulfill my
fixie dreams.

That certainly ain't a track frame. But you are one bloody lucky
puppy and I am /so/ jealous!

Just out of interest, what defines a track frame? I was only going by the
track ends in the rear chainstays.

Tim

Tim Downie said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie
([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It was a Flying Scot track frame (circa 1970s I think although I
haven't found the frame number yet). Just perfect to fulfill my
fixie dreams.

That certainly ain't a track frame. But you are one bloody lucky
puppy and I am /so/ jealous!

Just out of interest, what defines a track frame? I was only going by the
track ends in the rear chainstays.

And the complete lack of any braze-ons.

Out of interest, what does the rear mech mounting look like?

(looks track line to me - most any other bike would have forward facing
horizontal dropouts.

...d

"David Martin" <[email hidden]> a écrit:

Quoted message said:

Tim Downie wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just out of interest, what defines a track frame? I was
only going by the track ends in the rear chainstays.

Quoted message said:

And the complete lack of any braze-ons.

And the round fork blades.

Quoted message said:

(looks track line to me - most any other bike would have forward
facing horizontal dropouts.

There was a style of bike called road/path or path racer that was intended
for club riding and racing both on the road and on grass or cinder tracks.
They would normally have track ends, road geometry, brake and mudguard
fittings, and were often used with either a fixed gear or a hub gear,
depending on the event.

Here's a rather gorgeous one:

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/kanford/Carpenter/

But Tim's bike looks like a track bike intended for grass or cinder tracks.
The geometry is slacker than a typical velodrome bike, and the clearances
look larger.

James Thomson

James Thomson said:

"David Martin" <[email hidden]> a écrit:

Quoted message said:

Tim Downie wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just out of interest, what defines a track frame? I was
only going by the track ends in the rear chainstays.

Quoted message said:

And the complete lack of any braze-ons.

And the round fork blades.

I didn't mention that but yes, the blades are round. What was the thinking
behind that?

The rear mech is definitely not original and the gear hanger is just a bolt
on one fitted back to front in the trackend. I'm certain it never had one
originally.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(looks track line to me - most any other bike would have forward
facing horizontal dropouts.

There was a style of bike called road/path or path racer that was
intended for club riding and racing both on the road and on grass or
cinder tracks. They would normally have track ends, road geometry,
brake and mudguard fittings, and were often used with either a fixed
gear or a hub gear, depending on the event.

Here's a rather gorgeous one:

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/kanford/Carpenter/

Very nice but I've just been checking out the price of chroming. Yikes!

Quoted message said:

But Tim's bike looks like a track bike intended for grass or cinder
tracks. The geometry is slacker than a typical velodrome bike, and
the clearances look larger.

Mine frame looks most like this one
http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/rattray/scot_frames/pages/frame_37p.html
although the forks are more curved that those

Tim

Tim Downie said:

James Thomson wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And the round fork blades.

I didn't mention that but yes, the blades are round. What was the thinking
behind that?

It's probably more meaningful to ask "what is the thinking behind oval
section forks?" The oval section makes the tube more able to resist the
bending forces that result from applying the front brake. A track bike
is not intended to have a front brake therefore it does not need oval
section forks.

It's a beauty BTW (or certainly could be). I wish you joy of it.

--
Dave...

Tim Downie said:

A bit tatty but then it wouldn't be fun if it wasn't. ;-)

Not for long, I suspect.

Quoted message said:

Anyone know where I can get new replacement decals?

Try H Lloyd.
<http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/NICK_AT_LLOYDS/decals.htm>

--
Dave...

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie
([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It was a Flying Scot track frame (circa 1970s I think although I
haven't found the frame number yet). Just perfect to fulfill my
fixie dreams.

That certainly ain't a track frame. But you are one bloody lucky
puppy and I am /so/ jealous!

Just out of interest, what defines a track frame? I was only going by
the track ends in the rear chainstays.

It has provision for both brakes and derailleurs. Both are illegal on track
bikes.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; my other religion is Emacs

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie
([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

Quoted message said:

> It was a Flying Scot track frame (circa 1970s I think although I
> haven't found the frame number yet). Just perfect to fulfill my
> fixie dreams.

That certainly ain't a track frame. But you are one bloody lucky
puppy and I am /so/ jealous!

Just out of interest, what defines a track frame? I was only going
by the track ends in the rear chainstays.

It has provision for both brakes and derailleurs. Both are illegal on
track bikes.

Well it's got no braised on provision for a derailleur but it does have a
drilled fork crown and seat stay brace so I guess that probably means it was
designed to have brakes. The round fork tubes would suggest otherwise
though.

Tim

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie
([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

Quoted message said:

> It was a Flying Scot track frame (circa 1970s I think although I
> haven't found the frame number yet). Just perfect to fulfill my
> fixie dreams.

That certainly ain't a track frame. But you are one bloody lucky
puppy and I am /so/ jealous!

Just out of interest, what defines a track frame? I was only going by
the track ends in the rear chainstays.

It has provision for both brakes and derailleurs. Both are illegal on track
bikes.

That's why I was interested in teh other side of the rear dropouts. The
gear lever is band on. All the brake cable routing is band on. There is
no reason why the fork crown should not have been drilled later for
brakes, or indeed be predrilled anyway. The rear brake bridge also is
not a reliable guide as it could be drilled retrospectively.

There are no standard additional braze on parts for gears, brakes,
cable routing that one would expect on a high end racing frame like
that if it were intended to use them.

...d

David Martin said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie

(') said:

Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie
> ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

>> It was a Flying Scot track frame (circa 1970s I think although I
>> haven't found the frame number yet). Just perfect to fulfill my
>> fixie dreams.
>
> That certainly ain't a track frame. But you are one bloody lucky
> puppy and I am /so/ jealous!

Just out of interest, what defines a track frame? I was only going
by the track ends in the rear chainstays.

It has provision for both brakes and derailleurs. Both are illegal
on track bikes.

That's why I was interested in teh other side of the rear dropouts.
The gear lever is band on. All the brake cable routing is band on.
There is
no reason why the fork crown should not have been drilled later for
brakes, or indeed be predrilled anyway. The rear brake bridge also is
not a reliable guide as it could be drilled retrospectively.

There are no standard additional braze on parts for gears, brakes,
cable routing that one would expect on a high end racing frame like
that if it were intended to use them.

Here's the frame stripped.
http://www.zen31010.zen.co.uk/images/FS/framestripped.jpg

As you can see, not a braze-on in sight and no rear hanger.

http://www.zen31010.zen.co.uk/images/FS/reardropouts.jpg

Interesting shaped front dropout too (well, interesting to me)

http://www.zen31010.zen.co.uk/images/FS/frontdropouts.jpg

Tim

Interesting shaped front dropouts.

Tim

Quoted message said:

..d

"Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> a écrit:

Quoted message said:

Interesting shaped front dropout too (well, interesting to me)

http://www.zen31010.zen.co.uk/images/FS/frontdropouts.jpg

As illustrated here (bottom right):

http://www.flying-scot.co.uk/rattray/scot_detail/pages/frame_ends.html

They're reminiscent of the spurs on some Cyclo rear dropouts:

http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/hanczyc/jpg/1957macleans/1957macleansreardrop.jpg

James Thomson

in message <[email hidden]>, David

Martin (') said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie

(') said:

Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <[email hidden]>, Tim Downie
> ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

>> It was a Flying Scot track frame (circa 1970s I think although I
>> haven't found the frame number yet). Just perfect to fulfill my
>> fixie dreams.
>
> That certainly ain't a track frame. But you are one bloody lucky
> puppy and I am /so/ jealous!

Just out of interest, what defines a track frame? I was only going by
the track ends in the rear chainstays.

It has provision for both brakes and derailleurs. Both are illegal on
track bikes.

That's why I was interested in teh other side of the rear dropouts. The
gear lever is band on. All the brake cable routing is band on. There is
no reason why the fork crown should not have been drilled later for
brakes, or indeed be predrilled anyway. The rear brake bridge also is
not a reliable guide as it could be drilled retrospectively.

There are no standard additional braze on parts for gears, brakes,
cable routing that one would expect on a high end racing frame like
that if it were intended to use them.

True. I think I may have been mistaken. I'm still jealous.

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