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  1. I have just received an email which said:

    Happy New Year! New Degree! Click here to obtain diploma or degree
    for what you already know. Associates, Bachelors, Masters, MBA or
    Doctorates available. No books! No Courses! No Tests!

    I am tempted to acquire the qualifications necessary to become a
    famous and persecuted Texas cancer "curer".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  2. ....except you won't be a MD or have the background training
    Anth

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have just received an email which said:

    Happy New Year! New Degree! Click here to obtain diploma or degree
    for what you already know. Associates, Bachelors, Masters, MBA or
    Doctorates available. No books! No Courses! No Tests!

    I am tempted to acquire the qualifications necessary to become a
    famous and persecuted Texas cancer "curer".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and


    C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

    Quoted message said:

    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  3. Quoted message said:

    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 1/2/2004 7:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Become as qualified as Dr Burzynski

    Do that, maybe you will become successful and have some testimonies from
    grateful people.

    First you will need to grow up.

    Right now, you are acting like a spoiled brat, that didn't get his way.

    All the dirty tricks from EOM didn't work and didn't stop him and you *AIN'T*
    going to do it either.

    You must be jealous, because you have NO medical training to be an advisor to
    judge what is quackery.

    BTW, why did you lie about the name of the group?? Are you so dense you thought
    nobody would look it up??

    http://tinyurl.com/3dlrg

    http://www.detailshere.com/cancerinfo.htm

    http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lburzynski.htm

    http://www.burzynskipatientgroup.org/stories.htm

    Jan

    I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or the
    pope.

    Rich Shewmaker Ka Ching

  4. That has never stopped any quack. Hulda Cluck's degree in Naturopathy is
    mail order.

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ...except you won't be a MD or have the background training
    Anth

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have just received an email which said:

    Happy New Year! New Degree! Click here to obtain diploma or degree
    for what you already know. Associates, Bachelors, Masters, MBA or
    Doctorates available. No books! No Courses! No Tests!

    I am tempted to acquire the qualifications necessary to become a
    famous and persecuted Texas cancer "curer".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and


    C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

    Quoted message said:

    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  5. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:3ff654cb$0$61059$65c69314
    @mercury.nildram.net:

    Quoted message said:

    ...except you won't be a MD or have the background training
    Anth

    And he won't be any different than that nut from Texas that claims to cure
    cancer.

    r

    Quoted message said:

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have just received an email which said:

    Happy New Year! New Degree! Click here to obtain diploma or degree
    for what you already know. Associates, Bachelors, Masters, MBA or
    Doctorates available. No books! No Courses! No Tests!

    I am tempted to acquire the qualifications necessary to become a
    famous and persecuted Texas cancer "curer".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and


    C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

    Quoted message said:

    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

    --
    Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

  6. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 1/2/2004 7:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Become as qualified as Dr Burzynski

    Do that, maybe you will become successful and have some testimonies from
    grateful people.

    Testimonies happen in court. I would like to see Dr Burzynski get many
    more of them.

    Quoted message said:

    First you will need to grow up.

    Right now, you are acting like a spoiled brat, that didn't get his way.

    All the dirty tricks from EOM didn't work and didn't stop him and you *AIN'T*
    going to do it either.

    I realise that I will not be able to destroy all quacks like Burzynski
    alone, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp.

    Quoted message said:

    You must be jealous, because you have NO medical training to be an advisor to
    judge what is quackery.

    Whereas you have extensive medical training to judge what is not
    quackery. You have, haven't you?

    Quoted message said:

    BTW, why did you lie about the name of the group?? Are you so dense you thought
    nobody would look it up??

    What are you talking about?

    <snip Burzynski advertising and sock-puppet sites>

    Quoted message said:

    Jan

    I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or the
    pope.

    I've been meaning to ask this, jan. Do you accept the authority of the
    Pope? If not, why would you care if I lied to him?

    Quoted message said:

    Rich Shewmaker Ka Ching

    Ka-ching, indeed.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  7. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Become as qualified as Dr Burzynski
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 1/3/2004 4:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 1/2/2004 7:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Become as qualified as Dr Burzynski

    Do that, maybe you will become successful and have some testimonies from
    grateful people.

    Testimonies happen in court. I would like to see Dr Burzynski get many
    more of them.

    Yes, we know you are quite upset because none of the dirty tactics from EOM
    have worked.

    I also notice you would like to overlook the ones from grateful people who are
    regaining their health. I realize that isn't important to you. You are looking
    for more *power* to go on a witch hunt.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    First you will need to grow up.

    Right now, you are acting like a spoiled brat, that didn't get his way.

    All the dirty tricks from EOM didn't work and didn't stop him and you


    *AIN'T*

    Quoted message said:

    going to do it either.

    Quoted message said:

    I realise that I will not be able to destroy all quacks like Burzynski
    alone, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp.

    You don't have any medical training to determine who is a quack. You are bias
    and a member of EOM.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    You must be jealous, because you have NO medical training to be an advisor


    to

    Quoted message said:

    judge what is quackery.


    Quoted message said:

    Whereas you have extensive medical training to judge what is not
    quackery. You have, haven't you?

    We've already been there. You seem to be repeating yourself. I am not faking it
    to be an advisor on a committee. You seem to be quite critical of others
    qualifications, but you have none. That's called a hypocrite and double
    standards, a cheat and dishonest.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    BTW, why did you lie about the name of the group?? Are you so dense you


    thought

    Quoted message said:

    nobody would look it up??

    What are you talking about?

    I am talking about your lying about the name of the committee of which you are
    an advisor. Can't remember which lies you told, Peter?

    Quoted message said:

    <snip Burzynski advertising and sock-puppet sites>

    I see you have no compassion for people who have been helped, not do you want
    others to read it. That's an excellent example of EOM.

    For the other readers, the sites are restored.

    http://tinyurl.com/3dlrg

    http://www.detailshere.com/cancerinfo.htm

    http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lburzynski.htm

    http://www.burzynskipatientgroup.org/stories.htm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or the
    pope.

    Quoted message said:

    I've been meaning to ask this, jan. Do you accept the authority of the
    Pope?

    Nope, I accept the authority of God and Jesus Christ, his son.

    Quoted message said:

    If not, why would you care if I lied to him?

    LOL, well it isn't me who doesn't give a damn if anyone lies, in fact, I detest
    it.

    That would be Rich Shewmaker, fellow atheist and doesn't believe in any
    alternative. Satan isn't particular about his deceiving, might as well get them
    all together in one neat group.

    Quoted message said:

    Rich Shewmaker Ka Ching

    Ka-ching, indeed.

    Yep, just one more childish example of the debunker bully group.

    Jan

  8. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Become as qualified as Dr Burzynski
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 1/3/2004 4:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    >From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    >Date: 1/2/2004 7:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    >Subject: Become as qualified as Dr Burzynski

    Do that, maybe you will become successful and have some testimonies from
    grateful people.

    Testimonies happen in court. I would like to see Dr Burzynski get many
    more of them.

    Yes, we know you are quite upset because none of the dirty tactics from


    EOM

    Quoted message said:

    have worked.

    I also notice you would like to overlook the ones from grateful people who


    are

    Quoted message said:

    regaining their health. I realize that isn't important to you. You are


    looking

    Quoted message said:

    for more *power* to go on a witch hunt.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    First you will need to grow up.

    Right now, you are acting like a spoiled brat, that didn't get his way.

    All the dirty tricks from EOM didn't work and didn't stop him and you


    *AIN'T*

    Quoted message said:

    going to do it either.

    Quoted message said:

    I realise that I will not be able to destroy all quacks like Burzynski
    alone, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp.

    You don't have any medical training to determine who is a quack. You are


    bias

    Quoted message said:

    and a member of EOM.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    You must be jealous, because you have NO medical training to be an


    advisor

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    judge what is quackery.


    Quoted message said:

    Whereas you have extensive medical training to judge what is not
    quackery. You have, haven't you?

    We've already been there. You seem to be repeating yourself. I am not


    faking it

    Quoted message said:

    to be an advisor on a committee. You seem to be quite critical of others
    qualifications, but you have none. That's called a hypocrite and double
    standards, a cheat and dishonest.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    BTW, why did you lie about the name of the group?? Are you so dense you


    thought

    Quoted message said:

    nobody would look it up??

    What are you talking about?

    I am talking about your lying...
    Can't remember which lies you told, Peter?

    That would be Rich Shewmaker, fellow atheist and doesn't believe in any
    alternative. Satan isn't particular about his deceiving, might as well get


    them

    Quoted message said:

    all together in one neat group.

    You sound like the "Church Lady" on SNL ;o)

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Rich Shewmaker Ka Ching

    Ka-ching, indeed.

    Yep, just one more childish example of the debunker bully group.

    Jan

    And another bully KaChing for you Jan, $9

  9. "Mark ProbertJanuary 3, 2004" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    That has never stopped any quack. Hulda Cluck's degree in Naturopathy is
    mail order.

    And where did you get your law degree Aloysius?

    And why do you no longer have a license to practice law in New York state?

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagents.htm#BarrettsParrot

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilena) said:

    "Mark ProbertJanuary 3, 2004" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    That has never stopped any quack. Hulda Cluck's degree in Naturopathy is
    mail order.

    And where did you get your law degree Aloysius?

    And why do you no longer have a license to practice law in New York state?

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagents.htm#BarrettsParrot

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ilena: Your two web pages
    above say FAR more about you than they do about Mark (or any other of
    the targets of your attacks), and none of it is good.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  11. Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    That would be Rich Shewmaker, fellow atheist and doesn't believe in any
    alternative. Satan isn't particular about his deceiving, might as well get


    them

    Quoted message said:

    all together in one neat group.

    Rich S:

    Quoted message said:

    You sound like the "Church Lady" on SNL ;o)

    Yes, indeedy! That has been remarked upon quite frequently!

  12. Orac <[email hidden]>

    As always with the Junk Science / Quack Logic ... you have it upside
    down and backwards.

    If you would understand the referenced webpages on Probert who you
    consistently defend, you would know that soon after Barrett and Grell
    SLAPP sued me ... Probert (and later Nidiffer) ... came on the attack.

    Any other version is your fantasy.

    Others who take the time to read these pages understand clearly what
    is going on ... you have a bias to defend an ex lawyer who lies about
    it and presents himself as other than who he really is ... a Ritalin
    Pusher and Publicist for the Quack / Healthfraud Team ...

    The facts are there for those with eyes to see ...

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagents.htm#BarrettsParrot

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilena) said:

    As always with the Junk Science / Quack Logic ... you have it upside
    down and backwards.

    No.

    Sadly, I have it exactly right. You do damage to no one's credibility
    but your own by posting such venomous attacks on your website.

    [Snip]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  14. Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilena) said:

    As always with the Junk Science / Quack Logic ... you have it upside
    down and backwards.

    Orac <[email hidden]> then denied it of course and came back with:

    Quoted message said:

    No.

    Sadly, I have it exactly right. You do damage to no one's credibility
    but your own by posting such venomous attacks on your website.

    Sometimes the truth is ugly ...

    It's ugly to infiltrate a woman's support group while being a
    "Publicist" and "Spy" (oh no, she said the word) for Quacks Barrett
    and their Malicious Prosecutor Grell who were SLAPP suing me ...

    It's ugly to take ridiculous aliases and when caught, just make up
    more lies ...

    Both failed attorney Probert and another cross dressing Troll for
    Barrett's Quack Team, "Nana" Nidiffer came after me more each time
    Barrett lost to me ...

    Right after Nidiffer announced for Polevoy his partial win (which has
    since been vacated ... nothing they admit on their websites) ... the
    next day Nidiffer was posting "Ilena Rose is a Crack addict" webpages
    about me for them ...

    The venom you see Davey, is them attacking me thru the legal system
    (and both Barrett & Malicious Prosecutor Grell have lost at both
    Superior Court and Appeals Court of California levels) 100%

    and on Usenet ...

    and you defending them.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm
    Barrett and Grell's SLAPP suit loss to me
    Polevoy's portion was remanded to Superior Court ...
    the Judges then approved my re-hearing and denied Barrett's
    The previous opinion is now vacated with regards to Polevoy

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagents.htm#BarrettsParrot
    Their "Publicist" and long term "HealthFraud" member

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html

  15. (Ilena) said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilena) said:

    As always with the Junk Science / Quack Logic ... you have it upside
    down and backwards.

    The thought of Ilena upside down and backwards makes my flesh creep.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilena) said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilena) said:

    As always with the Junk Science / Quack Logic ... you have it upside
    down and backwards.

    Orac <[email hidden]> then denied it of course and came back with:

    Quoted message said:

    No.

    Sadly, I have it exactly right. You do damage to no one's credibility
    but your own by posting such venomous attacks on your website.

    Sometimes the truth is ugly ...

    It's ugly to infiltrate a woman's support group while being a
    "Publicist" and "Spy" (oh no, she said the word) for Quacks Barrett
    and their Malicious Prosecutor Grell who were SLAPP suing me ...

    It's ugly to take ridiculous aliases and when caught, just make up
    more lies ...

    Both failed attorney Probert and another cross dressing Troll for
    Barrett's Quack Team, "Nana" Nidiffer came after me more each time
    Barrett lost to me ...

    Right after Nidiffer announced for Polevoy his partial win (which has
    since been vacated ... nothing they admit on their websites) ... the
    next day Nidiffer was posting "Ilena Rose is a Crack addict" webpages
    about me for them ...

    The venom you see Davey, is them attacking me thru the legal system
    (and both Barrett & Malicious Prosecutor Grell have lost at both
    Superior Court and Appeals Court of California levels) 100%

    and on Usenet ...

    and you defending them.

    I'm "defending" no one.

    I AM, however, criticizing your behavior.

    You're clearly missing the point (or intentionally ignoring it). Even if
    every word you posted about them were absolutely accurate (which is, of
    course, highly doubtful at best, given your track record, but for the
    sake of argument let's just postulate for a moment that that's the
    case), your webpages with obsessive venomous tirades about your
    perceived enemies would STILL reflect more poorly on you than they do on
    your enemies. Such behavior reveals a nastiness in your character that
    is distasteful to most people.

    You say sometimes the truth is ugly. Well, enemies lists (particularly
    public enemies lists, such as the one you've posted to your website) are
    very ugly and reflect poorly on the person keeping them. It is possible
    to tell your side of the story without resorting to such nastiness, but
    you choose not to do so. It's sad that you can't understand or won't
    acknowledge that's all it is that I'm saying.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  17. Orac <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    You say sometimes the truth is ugly. Well, enemies lists (particularly
    public enemies lists

    The one I find the most disgusting is this one ...

    Townsend Letter of July, 1997, which had a headline
    reading "2,500 Doctors Posted on Quack List."

    Keep cheering on your failed lawyer friend Probert, Davey ... he makes
    YOU look so credible!

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilena) said:

    Orac <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You say sometimes the truth is ugly. Well, enemies lists (particularly
    public enemies lists

    The one I find the most disgusting is this one ...

    Townsend Letter of July, 1997, which had a headline
    reading "2,500 Doctors Posted on Quack List."

    Yes, I find that one disgusting too, because the accusation about the
    alleged "quack list" was made as a means attacking an enemy with a
    dubious charge. An altie (Dr. Julian Whitaker) well-known for his
    confrontational techniques and bashing of conventional medicine in
    general and NCAHF in particular posted it to The Townsend Letter as a
    means of attacking one of his enemies (Dr. William Jarvis), who had
    given a speech on cancer quackery at Loma Linda University. After
    Jarvis' speech, Dr. Whitaker apparently tried to dominate the question
    and answer session by monopolizing the microphone and making a speech
    against Jarvis and for Burzynski, leading to his being escorted out by
    security. That a "quack list" was ever posted is a dubious charge at
    best, designed to smear and provoke complaints to Loma Linda more than
    anything else.

    http://www.ncahf.org/nl/1997/11-12.html

    Of course, you could prove me wrong simply by showing me where the list
    was ever posted. You know I'm always willing to admit when I've made a
    mistake.

    Your mentioning it is also a rather transparent attempt to distract
    people by trying to turn the argument back on me, Ilena. The logical
    fallacy you used is:

    Ad hominem tu quoque

    http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#tuquoque
    http://www.fallacyfiles.org/tuquoque.html

    Ad hominem tu quoque is a sub-fallacy of the "two wrongs make a right"
    fallacy:

    http://www.fallacyfiles.org/twowrong.html

    which, in turn, is a special case of the "red herring" fallacy:

    http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html

    Of course, the purpose of that fallacy is to put the questioner on the
    defensive, which it did to me for a moment. So congratulations; you got
    me to bite. On the other hand, for that fallacy to have been actually
    effective in sowing doubt, though, I (or someone I support) would have
    had to actually do the same thing you did and post an enemies list. I
    did not, and as far as I can tell, neither Jarvis nor the NCAHF posted
    an "enemies list." Jarvis (someone I had never heard of before you
    mentioned the story and did a little web research) being of posting a
    "quack list" is not the same as your posting an "enemies list" on your
    website. Even if Jarvis and the NCAHF did have an internal private list
    of practitioners whom they consider quacks, it is not the same thing as
    a public "enemies list," like the one you have posted.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  19. Orac <[email hidden]>

    Nice attempt at revisionist history, Davey ... sounds like Quack
    Barrett himself is coaching you ...

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilena) said:

    Orac <[email hidden]>

    Nice attempt at revisionist history, Davey ... sounds like Quack
    Barrett himself is coaching you ...

    www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm

    <Yawn>

    More of the same?

    I tried to give you a friendly warning about how bad you make yourself
    look, and, as usual, you ignored it.

    And you wonder why so many people around here don't take you very
    seriously.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

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