beCalm'd: The Science Behind the Product

in alt.support.depression.medication 'All Star Gal said:

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Anyone have any comments about this products 'scientific' basis?

Hi Helen ,that is identical to the bread improver used in the baking industry. Functionally if we
will dissect each ingredient purpose for informational reason:
1)Soya flour contributes to the bread crumb whitening by also improving grain uniformity, as well as
improve a bit the dough stability.
2)emulsifier 472(usually coded an E number of 472e which means DATEM(diacetyltartaric acid
monoesters of monoglycerides) a notable dough strenghtener and will dramatically improve bread
volume even in the absence of gluten.
3)calcium sulphate , actually added as a filler but it contributes to the improvement of water
conditions used in baking;that is if the water is soft which is undesirable for bread baking by
supplying the necessary hardness suited which will bind to the gluten protein and improve dough
performance.
4) sucrose, basically a yeast food contributes initial fermentable sugar while the amylase enzymes
are still converting the starches to dextrins then to sugars which is just in time the
sucrose(present in the improver and flour) is depleted.
5) ascorbic acid ; a dough conditioner or interpreted in bakery parlance as an oxidant,can improve
dough strength and baking stability.
6) amylase enzyme usually a blend of fungal and cereal(barley) origin.contributes fermentable sugar
by converting damaged starches to sugar maltose a two step process. Regarding the dosage;you said
that the recommended dosage is 1 teaspoon per 500 gram flour which is fair for normal breadmaking
requires extended fermentation,( about a few hours totally) and lower for the baking industry
standard of 1 1/2 to tsp per 500 gram flour(which requires shorter fermentation time). Indeed you
are using a high quality bread improver;I hope you are happy with its performance . Roy

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Scientific basis.....<shrug>. I'm more interested in the ingredients. There's nothing in these
capsules that makes them special, IMHO. I take more of all these ingredients routinely.

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in alt.support.depression.medication 'All Star Gal said:

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Piggybacking...

Nope. been around for years. The sellers refuse to put it into clinical testing. I wonder why.

BTW, this does give me an opportunity to introduce A.S.A.D. to my new standardized message to all
those who post ads for unproven alternative 'treatments.'

Cue the A. S. A. D. Singers! (If any other group has its owh Singers, they can feel free
to join in!)

WHAT A LUCRATIVE WORLD

With the deepest apologies to Cooke/Alpert/Adler

Don't know much about chemistry Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books Don't
know much about the learnin' I took But I do know that I love spamming Alt Med And I know that if
you loved it too What a wealthy person I would be

Don't know much nutritionology Don't know much about oncology Don't know much about juicology
Don't know what a Zapper is for But I know that a sucker is better than one with a clue And if we
raise the cost more than a dollar or two What a lucrative world this would be

Now I don't claim to be an Internet scammer But I'm tryin' to be Oh maybe by being an Internet
scammer, baby I can suck your money away for me

Don't know much about chemistry Don't know much biology Don't know much about science books Don't
know much about the learnin' I took But I do know that I love Alt Med And I know that if you loved
it too What a sickly person you would be

------ lead guitar ------

But I do know that I love MLMing you And I know that if you MLM'ed your loved ones too What a
lucrative world this would be

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Scientific basis.....<shrug>. I'm more interested in the ingredients. There's nothing in these
capsules that makes them special, IMHO. I take

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Hmmm...sounds like a bowl of Toal cereal and a teaspoon of beach sand would do just fine (note
silica listed as an ingredient.)

in alt.support.depression.medication 'Mark Probert said:

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Scientific basis.....<shrug>. I'm more interested in the ingredients. There's nothing in these
capsules that makes them special, IMHO. I take

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of all these ingredients routinely.

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Hmmm...sounds like a bowl of Toal cereal and a teaspoon of beach sand would do just fine (note
silica listed as an ingredient.)

Sounds good other than the 5htp. Calling 5htp (natural l-tryptophan) I think is a bit misleading
though. The body turns l-tryptophan into 5htp and that is turned into serotonin.

I drink milk at night and try to eat foods that are high in tryptophan. I find that it does have a
calming effect on me. SSRI's overload my system and make me very ill by giving me more serotonin
than my body needs or wants.

According to the USRDA most people do not get enough calcium Magnesium and Zinc.

When I analyzed my diet I discovered I was not getting enough calcium, magnesium or zinc. I take a
supplement that has all three in it. I also exercise regularly.

Exercise and meditation have a very calming effect on people.

This supplement might be a good thing for people who are too lazy to do their own research or to eat
properly though.

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Scientific basis.....<shrug>. I'm more interested in the ingredients. There's nothing in these
capsules that makes them special, IMHO. I take

more

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of all these ingredients routinely.

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Hmmm...sounds like a bowl of Toal cereal and a teaspoon of beach sand

would

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do just fine (note silica listed as an ingredient.)

Sounds good other than the 5htp. Calling 5htp (natural l-tryptophan) I think is a bit misleading
though. The body turns l-tryptophan into 5htp and that is turned into serotonin.

I am surprised it has 5htp in it

I tried 5hto for @ 6 weeks

It made me more anxious than usual.

I can't afford to be more anxious than normal..

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I drink milk at night and try to eat foods that are high in tryptophan. I find that it does have
a calming effect on me. SSRI's overload my system and make me very ill by giving me more
serotonin than my body needs or wants.

According to the USRDA most people do not get enough calcium Magnesium and Zinc.

When I analyzed my diet I discovered I was not getting enough calcium, magnesium or zinc. I take a
supplement that has all three in it. I also exercise regularly.

Exercise and meditation have a very calming effect on people.

This supplement might be a good thing for people who are too lazy to do their own research or to
eat properly though.

LOL

I am *not* too lazy to do my own research, nor eat properly.

I do both.

No matter how properly I eat. I can't get needed amounts of vitamins and minerals by diet alone.

(I think perhaps the SSRI suppressed prod of enzymes needed to metabolize food, enzymes I was
already low in...and now have NONE of, permanently...so. )

I take a whole bunch of individual vitamins, which HELP tremendously.

However, taking them upsets my stomanch.

So I keep stopping taking what helps, and trying various multivitamins, that do not help as I
deteriorate on multivitamins, alarmingly so.

I don't understand. .

I must not be able to break down ."multivitamins"...

This BeCalmed site. talks about how critical the "synergy" is when manufacturing multi-vitamins.

That's what I am wanting comments on....whether a formula multivitamin can EVER work as well as
taking individual vitamins and minerals do.

OR, do all the M/V Mfg's ADD [censored] to a multivitamin, than is counterproductive/inhibiting to some
peoples being able to metabolize therefore absorb individual vatimains and minerals in them???

(I would post this to MHA, except Mark P. has that NG aflame!)

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Anyone have any comments about this products 'scientific' basis?

Scientific basis.....<shrug>. I'm more interested in the ingredients. There's nothing in these
capsules that makes them special, IMHO. I take

more

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of all these ingredients routinely.

iwr.comingred.htmlOpen ↗

Hmmm...sounds like a bowl of Toal cereal and a teaspoon of beach sand would do just fine (note
silica listed as an ingredient.)

That is identical to the bread improver used in the baking industry. Functionally if we will dissect
each ingredient purpose for informational reason:
1)Soya flour contributes to the bread crumb whitening by also improving grain uniformity, as well as
improve a bit the dough stability.
2)emulsifier 472(usually coded an E number of 472e which means DATEM(diacetyltartaric acid
monoesters of monoglycerides) a notable dough strenghtener and will dramatically improve bread
volume even in the absence of gluten.
3)calcium sulphate , actually added as a filler but it contributes to the improvement of water
conditions used in baking;that is if the water is soft which is undesirable for bread baking by
supplying the necessary hardness suited which will bind to the gluten protein and improve dough
performance.
4) sucrose, basically a yeast food contributes initial fermentable sugar while the amylase enzymes
are still converting the starches to dextrins then to sugars which is just in time the
sucrose(present in the improver and flour) is depleted.
5) ascorbic acid ; a dough conditioner or interpreted in bakery parlance as an oxidant,can improve
dough strength and baking stability.
6) amylase enzyme usually a blend of fungal and cereal(barley) origin.contributes fermentable sugar
by converting damaged starches to sugar maltose a two step process. Regarding the dosage;you said
that the recommended dosage is 1 teaspoon per 500 gram flour which is fair for normal breadmaking
requires extended fermentation,( about a few hours totally) and lower for the baking industry
standard of 1 1/2 to tsp per 500 gram flour(which requires shorter fermentation time). Indeed you
are using a high quality bread improver;I hope you are happy with its performance .

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>Anyone have any comments about this products 'scientific' basis?
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Scientific basis.....<shrug>. I'm more interested in the ingredients. There's nothing in these
capsules that makes them special, IMHO. I take

more

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of all these ingredients routinely.

iwr.comingred.htmlOpen ↗

Hmmm...sounds like a bowl of Toal cereal and a teaspoon of beach sand would do just fine (note
silica listed as an ingredient.)

Sounds good other than the 5htp. Calling 5htp (natural l-tryptophan) I think is a bit misleading
though. The body turns l-tryptophan into 5htp and that is turned into serotonin.

I drink milk at night and try to eat foods that are high in tryptophan. I find that it does have
a calming effect on me. SSRI's overload my system and make me very ill by giving me more
serotonin than my body needs or wants.

According to the USRDA most people do not get enough calcium Magnesium and Zinc.

When I analyzed my diet I discovered I was not getting enough calcium, magnesium or zinc. I take a
supplement that has all three in it. I also exercise regularly.

Exercise and meditation have a very calming effect on people.

This supplement might be a good thing for people who are too lazy to do their own research or to
eat properly though.

It seems to be as good a a Thanksgiving turkey meal.

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> iwr.comscience.htmlOpen ↗
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> Anyone have any comments about this products 'scientific' basis?
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Scientific basis.....<shrug>. I'm more interested in the ingredients. There's nothing in these
capsules that makes them special, IMHO. I take

more

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of all these ingredients routinely.

iwr.comingred.htmlOpen ↗

Hmmm...sounds like a bowl of Toal cereal and a teaspoon of beach sand

would

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do just fine (note silica listed as an ingredient.)

Quoted message said:

Sounds good other than the 5htp. Calling 5htp (natural l-tryptophan) I think is a bit misleading
though. The body turns l-tryptophan into 5htp and that is turned into serotonin.

Sound sgood? Even the teaspoon of beach sand? Yech.

in alt.support.depression.medication 'All Star Gal said:

No matter how properly I eat. I can't get needed amounts of vitamins and minerals by diet alone.

Yes I think that is true of everyone! That is where the research part comes in. I determined that I
can not eat enough fat to get my vitamin e and not consume too many calories.

All Star Gal said:

I am *not* too lazy to do my own research, nor eat properly.

I do both.

But do you understand any of it? So much of it is contradictory.

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No matter how properly I eat. I can't get needed amounts of vitamins and minerals by diet alone.

How so? Is you diet so skewed somehow? Or do you have some metabolic disorder?

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(I think perhaps the SSRI suppressed prod of enzymes needed to metabolize food, enzymes I was
already low in...and now have NONE of, permanently...so. )

How do you know this? What enzymes?

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I take a whole bunch of individual vitamins, which HELP tremendously.

Good.

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However, taking them upsets my stomanch.

Bad

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So I keep stopping taking what helps, and trying various multivitamins, that do not help as I
deteriorate on multivitamins, alarmingly so.

In what way?

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I don't understand. .

That's obvious.

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I must not be able to break down ."multivitamins"...

What do you mean? What problems is this causing?

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This BeCalmed site. talks about how critical the "synergy" is when manufacturing multi-vitamins.

That's [censored]. Get them to define "synergy"

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That's what I am wanting comments on....whether a formula multivitamin can EVER work as well as
taking individual vitamins and minerals do.

Of course it can, to counter a vitamin deficiency.

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OR, do all the M/V Mfg's ADD [censored] to a multivitamin,

I'm sure this would be illegal, as well as unsanitary.

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than is counterproductive/inhibiting to some peoples being able to metabolize therefore absorb
individual vatimains and minerals in them???

What on earth do you mean? Why would a manufacturere do this?

Moosh🙂

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in alt.support.depression.medication 'All Star Gal said:

No matter how properly I eat. I can't get needed amounts of vitamins and minerals by diet alone.

Yes I think that is true of everyone! That is where the research part comes in. I determined that I
can not eat enough fat to get my vitamin e and not consume too many calories.

Your best source of vit E is a good varied wholefood diet. Grains nuts vegetables. Where does all
that fat come in? You don't need any added, refined fat.

Moosh🙂

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Your best source of vit E is a good varied wholefood diet. Grains nuts vegetables. Where does all
that fat come in? You don't need any added, refined fat. Moosh🙂

Julius says: Moosh, how much Vit E do you get from your chosen diet? Are you a wheat germ eater? Do
you eat nuts and seeds not counting grains? Roasted or unroasted?

I think you might even agree with me that too little emphasis was placed on the non alpha vitamin E
isomers, as well as, the non tocopherol vitamers. Yes? No? Or you don't really care because it makes
your head hurt😉

As typed this piece, I consume a salad composed of 40 grams of parsley, one red bell pepper, a half
cup of chickpeas, ~30 grams of yellow "low" fat yellow cheese, topped with balsamic vineger.

For my primary source of vitamin E today, I've eat so far today a half cups of almonds and a half
cup of filberts, plus 30 brazil nuts for all that nasty selenium.

Also eaten a free range chicken leg and can of sardines in louisana hot sauce. A small bowl of split
green pea soup, very thick. One egg. A half cup of homemade blackberry juice and a small bowl home
canned pie cherries... ice cold. A glass of milk 2%. Two small apples.

What have you eaten on your whole food diet?

Oh! Oh! I added 6 gram inositol to the berry juice but of course you don't believe in such things.
Don't panic, its safe me. Don't be depressed because I am right🙂

I suppose we talk about what other is able to bench press🙂

This thread isn't in forum I post in except for sci.med.nutrition

in alt.support.depression.medication 'Moosh:) said:

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in alt.support.depression.medication 'All Star Gal said:

No matter how properly I eat. I can't get needed amounts of vitamins and minerals by diet alone.

Yes I think that is true of everyone! That is where the research part comes in. I determined that
I can not eat enough fat to get my vitamin e and not consume too many calories.

Your best source of vit E is a good varied wholefood diet. Grains nuts vegetables. Where does all
that fat come in? You don't need any added, refined fat.

Moosh🙂

As far as I know only foods high in fat contain great amounts of vitamin E. I can only consume 2000
calories per day or I gain weight.

in alt.support.depression.medication 'Julius Siden said:

half cups of almonds and a half cup of filberts,

That is a lot of calories and fat.

in alt.support.depression.medication 'Julius Siden said:

As typed this piece, I consume a salad composed of 40 grams of parsley, one red bell pepper, a half
cup of chickpeas, ~30 grams of yellow "low" fat yellow cheese, topped with balsamic vineger.

For my primary source of vitamin E today, I've eat so far today a half cups of almonds and a half
cup of filberts, plus 30 brazil nuts for all that nasty selenium.

Also eaten a free range chicken leg and can of sardines in louisana hot sauce. A small bowl of
split green pea soup, very thick. One egg. A half cup of homemade blackberry juice and a small bowl
home canned pie cherries... ice cold. A glass of milk 2%. Two small apples.

What have you eaten on your whole food diet?

I certainly have not eaten like that and you clearly are not someone who is trying to get by on a
small disability pension.

Bell peppers in the off season? Basalmic vinegar, Nuts and cheese that is not the diet of a
poor person.

NUTS--FAT & CALORIES

Nuts contain mostly monounsaturated fat, which doesn't raise blood cholesterol levels. Nuts
are a good source of protein and vitamin E, which some studies suggest may improve the
immune system.

Nuts contain at least 70% of their calories from fat, so go lightly on amount consumed.

Listed are estimates of regular roasted nuts. Note the label as the amount may vary according to
preparation. For example, some nuts are dry roasted, which significantly can lower fat and
calories. Some nuts are coated with special spices and seasonings, which can increase calories
and fat also. Again, read the label for specific calorie and fat grams per ounce.

Nuts (1 ounce or about 1/4 cup) Calories Fat Grams

Almonds 165 15 Brazil nuts 185 19 Cashews 165 13 Filberts (hazelnuts) 180 18 Macadamia nuts 205 22
Peanuts 165 14 Pecans 190 19 Pine nuts 160 17 Pistachios 165 17 Walnuts, black 170 16 Walnuts,
English 180 18

1994-jf

Springfield Extension Center

Cooperative Extension Service University of Illinois

in alt.support.depression.medication 'Julius Siden said:

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Your best source of vit E is a good varied wholefood diet. Grains nuts vegetables. Where does all
that fat come in? You don't need any added, refined fat. Moosh🙂

Julius says: Moosh, how much Vit E do you get from your chosen diet? Are you a wheat germ eater? Do
you eat nuts and seeds not counting grains? Roasted or unroasted?

I think you might even agree with me that too little emphasis was placed on the non alpha vitamin E
isomers, as well as, the non tocopherol vitamers. Yes? No? Or you don't really care because it
makes your head hurt😉

As typed this piece, I consume a salad composed of 40 grams of parsley, one red bell pepper, a half
cup of chickpeas, ~30 grams of yellow "low" fat yellow cheese, topped with balsamic vineger.

For my primary source of vitamin E today, I've eat so far today a half cups of almonds and a half
cup of filberts, plus 30 brazil nuts for all that nasty selenium.

Also eaten a free range chicken leg and can of sardines in louisana hot sauce. A small bowl of
split green pea soup, very thick. One egg. A half cup of homemade blackberry juice and a small bowl
home canned pie cherries... ice cold. A glass of milk 2%. Two small apples.

What have you eaten on your whole food diet?

Oh! Oh! I added 6 gram inositol to the berry juice but of course you don't believe in such things.
Don't panic, its safe me. Don't be depressed because I am right🙂

I suppose we talk about what other is able to bench press🙂

This thread isn't in forum I post in except for sci.med.nutrition

Julius back again: Use raw nuts to the extent possible because the roasting destroys much of the
vitamin E. Nor is the very used, very heated oil of the deep fat roasting process a healthy thing.
As to the calories, well, it is the total calorie of your daily diet that counts.

dried raw almonds 1 oz (28 g) contains ~6.72 IU of alpha tocopherol oil roasted almonds 1 oz (28 g)
contains ~1.55 IU dried raw peanuts 1 oz contains ~2.56 IU oil roasted peanuts 1 oz contains ~2.07
dry roasted peanuts 1 oz contain ~2.18

Yes, I know peanuts are not really nuts but I only have numbers on almonds and peanuts at the
moment. These values would no doubt vary in real life due to differences in batches of raw materials
and type of oil etc.

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NUTS--FAT & CALORIES

Nuts contain mostly monounsaturated fat, which doesn't raise blood cholesterol levels. Nuts
are a good source of protein and vitamin E, which some studies suggest may improve the immune
system.

Nuts contain at least 70% of their calories from fat, so go lightly on amount consumed.

Listed are estimates of regular roasted nuts. Note the label as the amount may vary according
to preparation. For example, some nuts are dry roasted, which significantly can lower fat and
calories. Some nuts are coated with special spices and seasonings, which can increase calories
and fat also. Again, read the label for specific calorie and fat grams per ounce.

Nuts (1 ounce or about 1/4 cup) Calories Fat Grams

Almonds 165 15 Brazil nuts 185 19 Cashews 165 13 Filberts (hazelnuts) 180 18 Macadamia nuts 205 22
Peanuts 165 14 Pecans 190 19 Pine nuts 160 17 Pistachios 165 17 Walnuts, black 170 16 Walnuts,
English 180 18

1994-jf

Springfield Extension Center

Cooperative Extension Service University of Illinois

in alt.support.depression.medication 'Julius Siden said:

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Quoted message said:

Your best source of vit E is a good varied wholefood diet. Grains nuts vegetables. Where does
all that fat come in? You don't need any added, refined fat. Moosh🙂

Julius says: Moosh, how much Vit E do you get from your chosen diet? Are you a wheat germ eater?
Do you eat nuts and seeds not counting

grains?

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Roasted or unroasted?

I think you might even agree with me that too little emphasis was placed on the non alpha vitamin
E isomers, as well as, the non tocopherol

vitamers.

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Yes? No? Or you don't really care because it makes your head hurt😉

As typed this piece, I consume a salad composed of 40 grams of parsley, one red bell pepper, a
half cup of chickpeas, ~30 grams of yellow "low"

fat

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yellow cheese, topped with balsamic vineger.

For my primary source of vitamin E today, I've eat so far today a half cups of almonds and a half
cup of filberts, plus 30 brazil nuts for all that nasty selenium.

Also eaten a free range chicken leg and can of sardines in louisana hot sauce. A small bowl of
split green pea soup, very thick. One egg. A half cup of homemade blackberry juice and a small
bowl home canned pie cherries... ice cold. A glass of milk 2%. Two small apples.

What have you eaten on your whole food diet?

Oh! Oh! I added 6 gram inositol to the berry juice but of course you

don't

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believe in such things. Don't panic, its safe me. Don't be depressed

because

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I am right🙂

I suppose we talk about what other is able to bench press🙂

This thread isn't in forum I post in except for sci.med.nutrition

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Julius speaks: As typed this piece, I consume a salad composed of 40 grams of parsley, one red
bell pepper, a half cup of chickpeas, ~30 grams of yellow "low"

fat

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yellow cheese, topped with balsamic vineger.

For my primary source of vitamin E today, I've eat so far today a half cups of almonds and a half
cup of filberts, plus 30 brazil nuts for all that nasty selenium.

Also eaten a free range chicken leg and can of sardines in louisana hot sauce. A small bowl of
split green pea soup, very thick. One egg. A half cup of homemade blackberry juice and a small
bowl home canned pie cherries... ice cold. A glass of milk 2%. Two small apples.

What have you eaten on your whole food diet?

csx speaks: I certainly have not eaten like that and you clearly are not someone who is trying to
get by on a small disability pension.

Bell peppers in the off season? Basalmic vinegar, Nuts and cheese that is not the diet of a
poor person.

Posting from the library? You must in the USA with its nearly missing social safety net. But don't
worry Shrubs plans to tax poverty so that there will be less of it.

I'll suggest the best low cost options that come to mind. First, frozen spinach an excellent
carotenoid source including lutien and an excellent vitamin K source. If you have your natural teeth
raw carrots are good in salads. No teeth? Get a dollar store grater and use it on the carrots. If
you still eat red meat or pork, you might consider instead eating canned salmon and cheap sardines.
I paid about a 1.30 US dollar for a house brand can of salmon and about 80 US cent for
3.75 oz Brunwick can of sardines. No waste, no energy used. If one can you open a can? In a true
pinch go to the Mexican food section of the supermarket and buy the super sized oval can of
"sardines" in tomato sauce, these are very cheap. For vitamin C what to suggest? You need
something like peppers (green or red) for vit C perhaps citrus which is a little lower priced.
Both are good sources of flavonoids. What is cheaper? I guess could you eat lots of potatoes and
onions. The former has enough C to prevent scurvy and the later some flavonoids as I recall. For
nuts, consider bulk shelled sunflower seeds which can fairly cheap, great source of some B vits,
magnesium, and E. Can't chew them? Cook them in your brown rice or even soak them till soft.

Hopefully, you aren't living on Top Ramen (noodles and hydrogenated grease). Some say some poorer
old folks live on dried dog food!! Still no vitamin C.

It is a hard world. Lots of promises and glowing phrases and so it goes from bad to verse.