Beach Road (Warning)

Michael Warner said:

Ok, you wear a suit, they wear a suit, you say they threw X out of the car,
they say they didn't. There are no witnesses, and no evidence that the X
you produce in court belonged to them. How could anyone possibly be
convicted on that basis?

We had bush fires not far from here a few years ago, which apparently was started by a cigarette thrown from a car. After that I have reported around 10 people for throwing cigarette butts from cars. Never been challenged, so I assume they all received a $200 fine.
And yes it would come down to my word against theirs, but I suspect if they had to appear in court, even if they get off, they won't litter again. And if they do it again and get court, I bet they won't get off.

[quote="coppershark"]

Michael Warner said:

On Thu, 17 May 2007 08:35:37 +1000, dgarry wrote:

Would your word be enough for a conviction if they chose to fight it?

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In the Courts the Magistrate/Judge and Jury listens to the evidence then decides who is most believable, the accused or the witnesses for the prosecution.

So, dress conservatively and state your case as clearly as you can.
Judges have a lot of experience at determining which of the parties is telling porkies!

Mike

SteveA said:

And, when you go to court, in addition to wearing a suit and tie, make sure that you are clean shaven, male, mid-40s, of northern European descent, university educated and over 186cm tall.

Well that's me fkd.

Let alone the gender change, where the hell am I gonna find a extra 31cm in height in a hurry?

cfsmtb said:

SteveA said:

And, when you go to court, in addition to wearing a suit and tie, make
sure that you are clean shaven, male, mid-40s, of northern European
descent, university educated and over 186cm tall.

Well that's me fkd.

Let alone the gender change, where the hell am I gonna find a extra
31cm in height in a hurry?

There may be hope for me though. I just need to grow 22 cm in 10 years.

--
Bean

"I've got a bike
You can ride it if you like
It's got a basket
A bell that rings
And things to make it look good
I'd give it to you if I could
But I borrowed it" Pink Floyd

Remove "yourfinger" before replying

On May 25, 2:56 pm, cfsmtb <cfsmtb.2r4...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

SteveA said:

And, when you go to court, in addition to wearing a suit and tie, make
sure that you are clean shaven, male, mid-40s, of northern European
descent, university educated and over 186cm tall.

Well that's me fkd.

Let alone the gender change, where the hell am I gonna find a extra
31cm in height in a hurry?

--
cfsmtb

In your case, get a lawyer that fits the bill. Steve has discount
rates for A.B.-ers 😄DD

Donga

Donga said:

On May 25, 2:56 pm, cfsmtb <cfsmtb.2r4...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

SteveA said:

And, when you go to court, in addition to wearing a suit and tie, make
sure that you are clean shaven, male, mid-40s, of northern European
descent, university educated and over 186cm tall.

Well that's me fkd.

Let alone the gender change, where the hell am I gonna find a extra
31cm in height in a hurry?

--
cfsmtb

In your case, get a lawyer that fits the bill. Steve has discount
rates for A.B.-ers 😄DD

Donga

It's all about the assumptions people make when they use stereo-typing to make decisions.

Many years ago, I was doing some work in Sydney and I was staying at the Sebel in Kings Cross. One night, a colleague and I were walking back through the Cross to our hotel after work . My colleague was a chap called Ken Wong. A tout at one of the strip clubs called out to us, "Come on in. Twelve girls on stage all the time. Audience participation..."

"And, sir, you can bring your foreign friend in as well."

Ken's answer - "Steve's not foreign, he's an Aussie like me."

(Wongie was a fourth generation Australian and at the time was my boss. I pretty well fit the description in the courtroom stereotype. Ken's response in the story above should be delivered in a broad Aussie accent.)

SteveA

cfsmtb said:

Let alone the gender change, where the hell am I gonna find a extra
31cm in height in a hurry?

My brother is a ceiling fixer. He has a pair of 'shoes' taller than that.
http://www.perthplasterboard.com.au/products.asp
Dura-stilts

Theo

SteveA said:

Many years ago, I was doing some work in Sydney and I was staying at
the Sebel in Kings Cross. One night, a colleague and I were walking
back through the Cross to our hotel after work . My colleague was a
chap called Ken Wong. A tout at one of the strip clubs called out to
us, "Come on in. Twelve girls on stage all the time. Audience
participation..."

"And, sir, you can bring your foreign friend in as well."

Ken's answer - "Steve's not foreign, he's an Aussie like me."

(Wongie was a fourth generation Australian and at the time was my
boss. I pretty well fit the description in the courtroom stereotype.
Ken's response in the story above should be delivered in a broad
Aussie accent.)

So how was the 'show'?

Theo

DAMN , I'm only 181cm tall. I guess if you don't believe someone less
than 186cm then I'd better 'fess up. I'm really only 180cm.

Wilfred

SteveA said:

coppershark said:

Quoted message said:

Michael Warner Wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007 08:35:37 +1000, dgarry wrote:

Would your word be enough for a conviction if they chose to fight it?

--

In the Courts the Magistrate/Judge and Jury listens to the evidence
then decides who is most believable, the accused or the witnesses for
the prosecution.

So, dress conservatively and state your case as clearly as you can.
Judges have a lot of experience at determining which of the parties is
telling porkies!

Mike> >

And don't embellish your evidence, even if you think it will help.
If you didn't see the person throw the item but it came from the area
of the car's window, say that you saw it come from the area of the
car's window. Defence lawyers just love picking up little things
like that to cast doubt on a prosecution witness's
honesty/accuracy/memory/eyesight.

And, when you go to court, in addition to wearing a suit and tie,
make sure that you are clean shaven, male, mid-40s, of northern
European descent, university educated and over 186cm tall.

SteveA

quote='Theo Bekkers'SteveA said:

Many years ago, I was doing some work in Sydney and I was staying at
the Sebel in Kings Cross. One night, a colleague and I were walking
back through the Cross to our hotel after work . My colleague was a
chap called Ken Wong. A tout at one of the strip clubs called out to
us, "Come on in. Twelve girls on stage all the time. Audience
participation..."

"And, sir, you can bring your foreign friend in as well."

Ken's answer - "Steve's not foreign, he's an Aussie like me."

(Wongie was a fourth generation Australian and at the time was my
boss. I pretty well fit the description in the courtroom stereotype.
Ken's response in the story above should be delivered in a broad
Aussie accent.)

So how was the 'show'?

Theo[/QUOTE]
I've gotta say that 'audience participation' was not the attraction that the spruiker thought it was. Certainly not for me. We walked on by.

SteveA