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  1. I-10 killer stopped to discard victim's bike
    By Eric Swedlund
    ARIZONA DAILY STAR

    A hit-and-run driver who fatally struck a bicyclist on Interstate 10 Monday
    night took the next freeway exit, removed the bicycle from the vehicle's
    grille and continued away from the scene, police said.

    The victim, who was dismembered, has not been identified.

    Investigators are searching for the driver and also asking the public's help
    in identifying the victim, said Officer Jim Oien, a spokesman for the
    Department of Public Safety.

    The bicyclist was riding a green Huffy mountain bike along Interstate 10
    near Marana. He was struck in the shoulder or emergency lane, not in a
    travel lane, Oien said.

    The accident happened on westbound I-10 outside Marana near the Pinal Air
    Park Road exit around 6 p.m. Investigators believe the driver turned off on
    Pinal Air Park Road, stopped to discard the bicycle and continued driving
    from the scene, Oien said.

    The bicyclist was also struck by several subsequent vehicles, Oien said.

    The victim, who may have been homeless, was a man between 30 and 50 years
    old, with brown hair starting to gray. He was wearing black jeans, a dark
    blue jacket and a Harley Davidson T-shirt that read "Sturgis 94." He also
    had several tattoos, including one of a spider with the Spanish phrase "mi
    vida loca," Oien said.

  2. Callistus Valerius said:

    I-10 killer stopped to discard victim's bike
    By Eric Swedlund
    ARIZONA DAILY STAR

    A hit-and-run driver who fatally struck a bicyclist on Interstate 10 Monday
    night took the next freeway exit, removed the bicycle from the vehicle's
    grille and continued away from the scene, police said.

    The victim, who was dismembered, has not been identified.

    Investigators are searching for the driver and also asking the public's help
    in identifying the victim, said Officer Jim Oien, a spokesman for the
    Department of Public Safety.

    The bicyclist was riding a green Huffy mountain bike along Interstate 10
    near Marana. He was struck in the shoulder or emergency lane, not in a
    travel lane, Oien said.

    The accident happened on westbound I-10 outside Marana near the Pinal Air
    Park Road exit around 6 p.m. Investigators believe the driver turned off on
    Pinal Air Park Road, stopped to discard the bicycle and continued driving
    from the scene, Oien said.

    The bicyclist was also struck by several subsequent vehicles, Oien said.

    The victim, who may have been homeless, was a man between 30 and 50 years
    old, with brown hair starting to gray. He was wearing black jeans, a dark
    blue jacket and a Harley Davidson T-shirt that read "Sturgis 94." He also
    had several tattoos, including one of a spider with the Spanish phrase "mi
    vida loca," Oien said.

    So is anyone riding a bicycle a "bicyclist"? Were they able to extract
    enough alcohol from the remains to determine his blood alcohol content?

    He deserved it. If "interstate" means the same thing in Arizona that it
    does in the rest of the lower 48.

  3. Sorry that a guy on a Huffy doesn't fall into your definition of a
    bicyclist. I'm curious as to why you would assume that the cyclist
    (and not the hit and run driver) would be the one who had the alcohol
    in his system. As one who was once hit by a drunken driver, I take
    great offense to whatyou imply.

    There are many areas in the United States where riding a bicycle is not
    only permitted on the shoulder of an interstate, but often is the only
    way to ride from one location to another without taking very long
    extended detours. Arizona and California are just 2 states that
    immediately come to mind. I've ridden on freeways in both states. And
    I've felt perfectly safe in doing so.

    Quoted message said:

    So is anyone riding a bicycle a "bicyclist"? Were they able to


    extract

    Quoted message said:

    enough alcohol from the remains to determine his blood alcohol


    content?

    Quoted message said:


    He deserved it. If "interstate" means the same thing in Arizona that


    it

    Quoted message said:

    does in the rest of the lower 48.

  4. Quoted message said:


    So is anyone riding a bicycle a "bicyclist"? Were they able to extract
    enough alcohol from the remains to determine his blood alcohol content?

    He deserved it. If "interstate" means the same thing in Arizona that it
    does in the rest of the lower 48.

    What I heard was there wasn't much left of him after all the traffic
    went over him. I'm sure he resembled some road kill I've seen. What's
    strange is there is a frontage road about 10 yards from the Interstate, with
    hardly any traffic on it. No reason to be where he was.

  5. I'm curious as to why you would assume that the cyclist

    Quoted message said:

    (and not the hit and run driver) would be the one who had the alcohol
    in his system. As one who was once hit by a drunken driver, I take
    great offense to whatyou imply.


    Arizona and California are just 2 states that

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    immediately come to mind. I've ridden on freeways in both states. And
    I've felt perfectly safe in doing so.

    I think it was the Sturgis '94 t-shirt that makes someone think the
    cyclist was the one drunk.

    You're right, about Arizona, some places you have to ride on the
    Interstate, but where he was there was a frontage road, running parallel to
    the interstate. I have ridden the Interstate where there wasn't an option,
    it's not a pleasant experience. Cars passing you at 55 mph vs. Tractor
    trailers pushing 85 mph as they go by, makes a huge difference in noise,
    wind and dust.

  6. gym gravity said:


    So is anyone riding a bicycle a "bicyclist"? Were they able to


    extract

    Quoted message said:

    enough alcohol from the remains to determine his blood alcohol


    content?

    Quoted message said:


    He deserved it. If "interstate" means the same thing in Arizona that


    it

    Quoted message said:

    does in the rest of the lower 48.

    Dumbass -

    Do people who get flat tires and are stuck on the shoulder "deserve
    it"? What about cops who pull people over for speeding? Do they
    "deserve it"?

    BTW, here in Southern California, after 9/11, to get through Camp
    Pendleton, bicyclists were required to take the heavily traveled
    Interstate 5 for ~10 miles since Pendleton was closed to non-military
    personnel.

    take care and have a nice day, moron,

    K. Gringioni.

  7. Kurgan Gringioni said:

    bicyclists were required to take the heavily traveled
    Interstate 5 for ~10 miles

    I once rode on the motorway (comp. interstate highway) between Grasse
    and Cannes. That was fun.

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  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He deserved it. If "interstate" means the same thing in Arizona that


    it

    Quoted message said:

    does in the rest of the lower 48.

    Dumbass -

    Do people who get flat tires and are stuck on the shoulder "deserve
    it"? What about cops who pull people over for speeding? Do they
    "deserve it"?

    He deserved it, because he was on a Huffy? Sad end, it was obvious by
    the debris field, that he had rode a Harley to Sturgis in 1994. What made
    him sink down to green Huffy mountain bike at the end? Too much partying
    perhaps?

  9. "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I-10 killer stopped to discard victim's bike
    By Eric Swedlund
    ARIZONA DAILY STAR

    A hit-and-run driver who fatally struck a bicyclist on Interstate 10


    Monday

    Quoted message said:

    night took the next freeway exit, removed the bicycle from the vehicle's
    grille and continued away from the scene, police said.

    The victim, who was dismembered, has not been identified.

    Investigators are searching for the driver and also asking the public's


    help

    Quoted message said:

    in identifying the victim, said Officer Jim Oien, a spokesman for the
    Department of Public Safety.

    The bicyclist was riding a green Huffy mountain bike along Interstate 10
    near Marana. He was struck in the shoulder or emergency lane, not in a
    travel lane, Oien said.

    The accident happened on westbound I-10 outside Marana near the Pinal Air
    Park Road exit around 6 p.m. Investigators believe the driver turned off


    on

    Quoted message said:

    Pinal Air Park Road, stopped to discard the bicycle and continued driving
    from the scene, Oien said.

    The bicyclist was also struck by several subsequent vehicles, Oien said.

    The victim, who may have been homeless, was a man between 30 and 50 years
    old, with brown hair starting to gray. He was wearing black jeans, a dark
    blue jacket and a Harley Davidson T-shirt that read "Sturgis 94." He also
    had several tattoos, including one of a spider with the Spanish phrase "mi
    vida loca," Oien said.

    I'd bet that the "cyclist" and the driver who hit him were both impaired.
    Where I live, we have one or two accidents like this each year - typically,
    they happen at night, with a guy riding a POS mountain bike with no lights
    or helmet. The "cyclist" is often intoxicated, which is why they're riding
    a bike in the first place (i.e., because they lost their license due to
    previous DUI's).

    In the most recent incident, it was determined that the "cyclist" was riding
    in a rural area at 3 am pursuing his occupation - he had recently been
    released from prison for a burglary conviction, and apparently was back in
    the biz cruising the neighborhoods looking for stuff to steal. A drunk
    driver hit and killed him.

    It's sad, and the "cyclist" certainly didn't "deserve it"...but, karma's a
    [censored] sometimes.

    GG

  10. Or I suppose you could have ridden to friggin Fallbrook and then up to
    Temecula and then over the mountains on highway 74.

  11. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Do people who get flat tires and are stuck on the shoulder "deserve
    it"? What about cops who pull people over for speeding? Do they
    "deserve it"?

    BTW, here in Southern California, after 9/11, to get through Camp
    Pendleton, bicyclists were required to take the heavily traveled
    Interstate 5 for ~10 miles since Pendleton was closed to non-military
    personnel.

    take care and have a nice day, moron,

    OK, so I agree with you sometimes. I might have to come down to Long Beach
    for some work later next year and I'll have dinner with you and Steve and we
    can call each other names in person.

  12. "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He deserved it. If "interstate" means the same thing in Arizona that


    it

    Quoted message said:

    does in the rest of the lower 48.

    Do people who get flat tires and are stuck on the shoulder "deserve
    it"? What about cops who pull people over for speeding? Do they
    "deserve it"?

    He deserved it, because he was on a Huffy? Sad end, it was obvious by
    the debris field, that he had rode a Harley to Sturgis in 1994. What made
    him sink down to green Huffy mountain bike at the end? Too much partying
    perhaps?

    This is usually from DWI removal of driver's license.

  13. I see a lot of immigrants riding Huffy's on their way home (late at
    night) from their restaurant jobs. Often over great distances, rain,
    shine or snow. You have a very narrow view of who might be riding a
    bike on a highway late at night. It was probably the guy who just
    finished washing your dishes after you dined at the local Applebees.

  14. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I see a lot of immigrants riding Huffy's on their way home (late at
    night) from their restaurant jobs. Often over great distances, rain,
    shine or snow. You have a very narrow view of who might be riding a
    bike on a highway late at night. It was probably the guy who just
    finished washing your dishes after you dined at the local Applebees.

    Point taken...where I live, it's mostly drunks and meth users, but it's true
    that there are others who may be legitimately riding at night.

    Time will tell into which camp this poor guy falls.

    GG

  15. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Or I suppose you could have ridden to friggin Fallbrook and then up to
    Temecula and then over the mountains on highway 74.

    Do you think the Ortega Highway is safer on a bike?

  16. "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Kurgan Gringioni said:

    bicyclists were required to take the heavily traveled
    Interstate 5 for ~10 miles

    I once rode on the motorway (comp. interstate highway) between Grasse
    and Cannes. That was fun.

    I don't know if there was any unknown details about this guy or if it was
    just ignorance but several times I had to get on highway 99 in the central
    valley, (California) to go just one mile when the side road ended so I could
    get back on the side road to go home. It was that or go 10 miles out of my
    way. Yes it was illegal but being tired after a long ride I opted to take
    the easy way out. Never got caught, somewhat dangerous, but I wonder if the
    victim was in the similar predicament. Even if there was a side road as
    someone stated, that doesn't mean that would of helped him get to his
    destination. Not condoning his actions but hey, you got to do, what you got
    to do sometimes. Life is a gamble.

    B-

  17. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I see a lot of immigrants riding Huffy's on their way home (late at
    night) from their restaurant jobs. Often over great distances, rain,
    shine or snow. You have a very narrow view of who might be riding a
    bike on a highway late at night. It was probably the guy who just
    finished washing your dishes after you dined at the local Applebees.

    When I was in grade school, my good friend, a neighbor kid who I used to get
    in trouble with got killed at night riding on the frontage road next to the
    highway. He was dressed in dark clothes with black leather jacket, no
    reflectors. Sad, and especially with no moon out. Some roads too, are newly
    paved, black as the ace of spades and you can't see [censored] anyway, especially
    when they haven't fully painted the lines on them yet. Now that is extremely
    scary! Now throw a cyclist into the mix late at night with no moon.

    B-

  18. Tom Kunich said:

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Do people who get flat tires and are stuck on the shoulder "deserve
    it"? What about cops who pull people over for speeding? Do they
    "deserve it"?

    BTW, here in Southern California, after 9/11, to get through Camp
    Pendleton, bicyclists were required to take the heavily traveled
    Interstate 5 for ~10 miles since Pendleton was closed to


    non-military

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    personnel.

    take care and have a nice day, moron,

    OK, so I agree with you sometimes. I might have to come down to Long


    Beach

    Quoted message said:

    for some work later next year and I'll have dinner with you and Steve


    and we

    Quoted message said:

    can call each other names in person.

    Dumbass -

    Dinner w/ you and Steve?

    I'd rather shove a fork up my butt. You can use it afterwards though.
    K. Gringioni.

  19. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Tom Kunich said:

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Do people who get flat tires and are stuck on the shoulder "deserve
    it"? What about cops who pull people over for speeding? Do they
    "deserve it"?

    BTW, here in Southern California, after 9/11, to get through Camp
    Pendleton, bicyclists were required to take the heavily traveled
    Interstate 5 for ~10 miles since Pendleton was closed to


    non-military

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    personnel.

    take care and have a nice day, moron,

    OK, so I agree with you sometimes. I might have to come down to Long


    Beach

    Quoted message said:

    for some work later next year and I'll have dinner with you and Steve


    and we

    Quoted message said:

    can call each other names in person.

    Dumbass -

    Dinner w/ you and Steve?

    I'd rather shove a fork up my butt. You can use it afterwards though.
    K. Gringioni.

    I can't help it! This is funny as hell! Knowing what's been going on over
    the last couple of years, I don't think I have ever laughed harder from
    reading a post. I knew that was coming. ROTFLMAO My side hurts from
    laughing!

  20. dumbass,

    it would've been more fun if you weren't on an asshachet.

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