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  1. news.bbc.co.uk3557721.stm appears
    to be a BSHIT press release that has been regurgitated.

    People might like to ask the BBC to provide some balance.

    Quoted message said:

    Formula One ace David Coulthard raced from the Malaysian
    Grand Prix to back a campaign to make helmets compulsory
    for young cyclists.

    The motor racing star, who came sixth in Sunday's race for
    McLaren, said he hoped children would be encouraged to don
    a helmet by the fact he wears one.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number
    F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK
    government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  2. "David Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    news.bbc.co.uk3557721.stm appears
    to be a BSHIT press release that has been regurgitated.

    People might like to ask the BBC to provide some balance.

    Quoted message said:

    Formula One ace David Coulthard raced from the Malaysian
    Grand Prix to back a campaign to make helmets compulsory
    for young cyclists.

    The motor racing star, who came sixth in Sunday's race
    for McLaren, said he hoped children would be encouraged
    to don a helmet by the fact he wears one.

    So, he'd drive an experimental and unreliable car at 200mph,
    but not pop to the shop on a bike. I notice in there it says
    that Jason Queally supports this nonesense.

    (from another thread) helmets make you safe ...
    hansrey.comHR048.jpg

  3. David Hansen said:

    news.bbc.co.uk3557721.stm appears
    to be a BSHIT press release that has been regurgitated.
    =20
    People might like to ask the BBC to provide some balance.
    =20

    Quoted message said:

    Formula One ace David Coulthard raced from the Malaysian
    Grand Prix to back a campaign to make helmets compulsory
    for young cyclists.
    =20
    The motor racing star, who came sixth in Sunday's race
    for McLaren, said he hoped children would be encouraged
    to don a helmet by the fact he wears one.

    "I wouldn't go on my bike without a helmet".....=20

    <cynic> Nothing to do with F1 insurance etc, of
    course...... </cynic>

    --=20 cupra (remove nospam please to mail)

  4. " cupra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    "I wouldn't go on my bike without a helmet".....
    <cynic> Nothing to do with F1 insurance etc, of
    course...... </cynic>

    And clearly nothing to do with Coulthard's financial
    interest in a helmet maker either. How could you suggest
    such a thing?

    --
    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  5. Just zis Guy said:

    " cupra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...
    =20
    "I wouldn't go on my bike without a helmet"..... <cynic>
    Nothing to do with F1 insurance etc, of course......
    </cynic>
    =20
    And clearly nothing to do with Coulthard's financial
    interest in a helmet maker either. How could you suggest
    such a thing?

    I know.... shame on me!

    --=20 cupra (remove nospam please to mail)

  6. "David Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    news.bbc.co.uk3557721.stm appears
    to be a BSHIT press release that has been regurgitated.

    People might like to ask the BBC to provide some balance.


    If you want to respond, click on the Feedback button on the
    top right. Cut and paste the url address of the news item.

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The motor racing star, who came sixth in Sunday's race
    for McLaren, said he hoped children would be encouraged
    to don a helmet by the fact he wears one.



    One that he has copyrighted the saltaire on!

  8. On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:16:47 +0000 (UTC), "W K" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    So, he'd drive an experimental and unreliable car at
    200mph ...

    He already does.

    James

  9. David Hansen said:

    news.bbc.co.uk3557721.stm appears
    to be a BSHIT press release that has been regurgitated.

    People might like to ask the BBC to provide some balance.

    It seems to be very well-balanced already.

    The reports opens by explaining DC's aims, it goes on to
    say something about the bill. It quotes a few statistics.
    It continues by explaining some of the problems involved
    in getting youngsters to wear helmets. It talks of some of
    the possible consequences of not protecting the head.
    After a few more statistics, it explains the view of the
    National Cycling Strategy Board, which is that compulsion
    may deter cyclists and the possible consequences in terms
    of poor health.

    The two highlighted quotes are:

    "It's as sensible as putting your seat belt on when you get
    into a car."

    and,

    "It would dramatically reduce the number of cyclists and be
    the worst possible step to take when we are also concerned
    about the desperate health problems arising from obesity."

    Which nicely balance the argument.

  10. On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:43:34 +0000 someone who may be Gonzalez
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    People might like to ask the BBC to provide some balance.

    It seems to be very well-balanced already. [snip] Which
    nicely balance the argument.

    Which was not there in the original story. They have
    obviously been lobbied by people and changed the story
    quite dramatically from the original regurgitation of
    BSHIT propaganda. Several paragraphs are new, as are some
    of the links.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number
    F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK
    government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  11. Not that I know exactly what happened and not that I wish to critisise a mother who has had a devastating loss, but I notice that she says:

    "A cycle helmet would have made every difference because he just got a small knock on the face - even the doctors didn't think there was anything wrong initially," said Ms Annetts.

    "Unfortunately his brain started swelling and he ended up brain dead."

    Now, sorry, but can someone explain to me how the cycle helmet worn by Mr Coultart is going to prevent someone getting a small knock on the face? To me this contributes to the anti compulsion line: many people seem to think that a helmet is going to make a cyclist invincible. It doesn't.

  12. "robbiew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Not that I know exactly what happened and not that I wish
    to critisise a


    mother who has had a devastating loss, but I notice
    that she says:

    Quoted message said:


    "A cycle helmet would have made every difference because
    he just got a small knock on the face - even the doctors
    didn't think there was anything wrong initially," said Ms
    Annetts.

    "Unfortunately his brain started swelling and he ended up
    brain dead."

    Now, sorry, but can someone explain to me how the cycle
    helmet worn by Mr Coultart is going to prevent someone
    getting a small knock on the face?

    Isn't the one he's trying to SELL a full face one?

  13. "W K" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    "robbiew" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Not that I know exactly what happened and not that I
    wish to critisise a


    mother who has had a devastating loss, but I notice that
    she says:

    Quoted message said:


    "A cycle helmet would have made every difference because
    he just got a small knock on the face - even the doctors
    didn't think there was anything wrong initially," said
    Ms Annetts.

    "Unfortunately his brain started swelling and he ended
    up brain dead."

    Now, sorry, but can someone explain to me how the cycle
    helmet worn by Mr Coultart is going to prevent someone
    getting a small knock on the face?

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't the one he's trying to SELL a full face one?

    Isn't this the kind of injury that is MORE likely when
    wearing a h*lm*t?

    (Or is my understanding of diffuse brain injury/ cerebral
    oedema totally useless?...)

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  14. "burt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "David Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    news.bbc.co.uk3557721.stm
    appears to be a BSHIT press release that has been
    regurgitated.

    People might like to ask the BBC to provide some
    balance.


    If you want to respond, click on the Feedback button on
    the top right.


    Cut

    Quoted message said:

    and paste the url address of the news item.

    And then watch your ability to post to the Talkback forums
    (should you wish to do this) disappear like thin spit on a
    hot stove - I pointed out that they had "United Kingdom"
    when they meant "England" in an article (no reply, but as
    here, the article miraculously changed) - I used to be a
    fairly regular correspondent on their forums, but since
    then, I've obviously had nothing interesting to say }:-).

    E

  15. David Hansen said:

    On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:43:34 +0000 someone who may be
    Gonzalez <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    People might like to ask the BBC to provide some balance.

    It seems to be very well-balanced already. [snip] Which
    nicely balance the argument.

    Which was not there in the original story. They have
    obviously been lobbied by people and changed the story
    quite dramatically from the original regurgitation of
    BSHIT propaganda. Several paragraphs are new, as are some
    of the links.

    BBC Newsround (for children) on web and Ceefax, regurgitates
    the usual rubbish, and says nothing about helmets not
    providing the claimed benefits. There's a vote which allows
    you to vote against compulsion only on the grounds that it
    would reduce cycling. It's at: <newsvote.bbc.co.ukc
    bbcnews/hi/vote/votes/newsid_3565000/3565727.stm?dynamic_vo-
    te=ON#vote_3565727>

    Pro-choice is losing at present - please vote.

    Colin McKenzie

  16. "Colin McKenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Hansen said:

    On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:43:34 +0000 someone who may be
    Gonzalez <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    BBC Newsround (for children) on web and Ceefax,
    regurgitates the usual rubbish, and says nothing about
    helmets not providing the claimed benefits. There's a vote
    which allows you to vote against compulsion only on the
    grounds that it would reduce cycling. It's at:


    <newsvote.bbc.co.uknewsid 35
    65000/3565727.stm ?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_3565727>

    Quoted message said:


    Pro-choice is losing at present - please vote.

    The page is there, but when you try to vote, you get the
    message "page not found" Perhaps too many people were voting
    against helmets?!

    Quoted message said:


    Colin McKenzie

  17. burt said:


    <newsvote.bbc.co.uknewsid 35
    65000/3565727 .stm ?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_3565727>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Pro-choice is losing at present - please vote.

    The page is there, but when you try to vote, you get the
    message "page not found" Perhaps too many people were
    voting against helmets?!

    It works for me in IE6, but not in Opera.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
    speedy5.freeserve.co.ukdanny
    Why I like OE6 - speedy5.freeserve.co.ukoe6.html
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  18. Danny Colyer said:

    It works for me in IE6, but not in Opera.

    Likewise. Works in Netscape 4.7 and 7 too. Current results
    are about 60-40 in favour of compulsion.

    --

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uklegslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  19. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Colin McKenzie

    BDavid Hansen said:

    On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:43:34 +0000 someone who may be
    Gonzalez <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    People might like to ask the BBC to provide some balance.

    It seems to be very well-balanced already. [snip] Which
    nicely balance the argument.

    Which was not there in the original story. They have
    obviously been lobbied by people and changed the story
    quite dramatically from the original regurgitation of
    B**** propaganda. Several paragraphs are new, as are some
    of the links.

    BBC Newsround (for children) on web and Ceefax, regurgitates
    the usual rubbish, and says nothing about helmets not
    providing the claimed benefits. There's a vote which allows
    you to vote against compulsion only on the grounds that it
    would reduce cycling. It's at: <newsvote.bbc.co.ukc
    bbcnews/hi/vote/votes/newsid_3565000/3565727.stm?dynamic_vo-
    te=ON#vote_3565727>

    Pro-choice is losing at present - please vote.

    Colin McKenzie [/B]

    What a [censored] question. Its not just yes or no, Its

    Yes, more children will be saved

    or

    No, no one will cycle any more. Bit like an old fasioned communist election that one.

  20. On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:04:36 GMT, robbiew
    <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:

    What a [censored] question. Its not just yes or no, Its

    Yes, more children will be saved

    or

    No, no one will cycle any more. Bit like an old fasioned
    communist election that one.

    Reminds me of the old NTNO'CN sketch about discussion shows
    which ends with the line: "Next week we discuss nuclear
    power - do you want all your hair to fall out and your skin
    to fall off in large scaly lumps? Or not?"

    Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: gawnsoft.co.srgawnsoft.co.sr
    Symbian/Epoc wiki: html.dnsalias.nethtml.dnsalias.net Smalltalk
    links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk)
    html.dnsalias.netsmalltalk

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