Basso agrees to DNA testing

trg said:

Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder if he's
pisssed off at CSC?

Hah. What a sucker you are. They're pretending that Basso is willing, but
he will 'grudgingly' follow his lawyer's advice not to go through with it.

Simon Brooke said:

in message <Y0oug.3447$YI3.2602@amstwist00>, Stig Are M. Botterli

(') said:

trg said:

Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder
if he's pisssed off at CSC?

Hah. What a sucker you are. They're pretending that Basso is willing,
but he will 'grudgingly' follow his lawyer's advice not to go through
with it.

It's his lawyer who is saying 'he's ready':

Of course.

But lookee here:

Quoted message said:

though Martelli has as yet not stated whether he would recommend this."

He won't.

"Stig Are M. Botterli" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
Y0oug.3447$YI3.2602@amstwist00...
| On 2006-07-16, trg <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder if
he's
| > pisssed off at CSC?
|
| Hah. What a sucker you are. They're pretending that Basso is willing, but
| he will 'grudgingly' follow his lawyer's advice not to go through with it.

Lawyer says it's ok now.

trg said:

"Stig Are M. Botterli" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
Y0oug.3447$YI3.2602@amstwist00...
| On 2006-07-16, trg <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder if
he's
| > pisssed off at CSC?
|
| Hah. What a sucker you are. They're pretending that Basso is willing, but
| he will 'grudgingly' follow his lawyer's advice not to go through with it.

Lawyer says it's ok now.

Where ?

"Keith" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:56:37 +0200, "trg"
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| >"Stig Are M. Botterli" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
news:
| >Y0oug.3447$YI3.2602@amstwist00...
| >| On 2006-07-16, trg <[email hidden]> wrote:
| >| > Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder
if
| >he's
| >| > pisssed off at CSC?
| >|
| >| Hah. What a sucker you are. They're pretending that Basso is willing,
but
| >| he will 'grudgingly' follow his lawyer's advice not to go through with
it.
| >
| >Lawyer says it's ok now.
|
| Where ?
|

Italy.

trg said:

Um, they might try to match his DNA to that in a bag of blood that that say
is his.

Um, then that of course, um, would, er, make sense. Ahem...

See ya

Scoot
Soli Deo Gloria

trg said:

"Scoot" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:

Quoted message said:

| What good would DNA testing do?

Quoted message said:

Um, they might try to match his DNA to that in a bag of blood that that say
is his.

What his lawyer _hasn't_ given permission for is
DNA testing of Basso's dog (Birillo, or maybe not
Birillo - nobody seems to agree on this). Without
that, it proves nothing, just ask Tugboat.
Clever fellows, those lawyers.

<[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email hidden]...

trg said:

"Scoot" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:

Quoted message said:

| What good would DNA testing do?

Quoted message said:

Um, they might try to match his DNA to that in a bag of blood that that
say
is his.

What his lawyer _hasn't_ given permission for is
DNA testing of Basso's dog (Birillo, or maybe not
Birillo - nobody seems to agree on this). Without
that, it proves nothing, just ask Tugboat.
Clever fellows, those lawyers.

I wonder when they'll stop piddling with the riders and doctors and go after
the real hardcore dopers- the dogs. They could start with Birillo, then
Tanker and [censored] and the whole Belgium dog population.

"trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder if
he's
pisssed off at CSC?

Who could he possibly sue? He signed a contract that gave the team the
right to suspend him if he was named in a doping investigation.

Frank Drackman said:

Who could he possibly sue? He signed a contract that gave the team the
right to suspend him if he was named in a doping investigation.

It's possible that his lawyer could find the loop-hole that their
lawyer forgot to close. But you're correct, he did sign a document
agreeing to certain condition in order to be a part of the team....

Scoot
SDG

"Scoot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Frank Drackman said:

Who could he possibly sue? He signed a contract that gave the team the
right to suspend him if he was named in a doping investigation.

It's possible that his lawyer could find the loop-hole that their
lawyer forgot to close. But you're correct, he did sign a document
agreeing to certain condition in order to be a part of the team....

Even if his lawyer finds loop-hole do you think that his contract guaranteed
that he would ride the Tour de France? What are his damages?

Frank Drackman said:

Even if his lawyer finds loop-hole do you think that his contract guaranteed
that he would ride the Tour de France? What are his damages?

You didn't read all of my response to your previous well thought out
post did you?

Scoot
SDG

"Scoot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Frank Drackman said:

Even if his lawyer finds loop-hole do you think that his contract
guaranteed
that he would ride the Tour de France? What are his damages?

You didn't read all of my response to your previous well thought out
post did you?

Yes I did. It was:

"It's possible that his lawyer could find the loop-hole that their
lawyer forgot to close. But you're correct, he did sign a document
agreeing to certain condition in order to be a part of the team...."

What am I missing?

"Frank Drackman" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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|
| "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
| > Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder if
| > he's
| > pisssed off at CSC?
| >
| >
|
| Who could he possibly sue? He signed a contract that gave the team the
| right to suspend him if he was named in a doping investigation.
|
|

The people who named him in the investigation. The Guardia Civil, Fuentes,
the Spanish press. If he can show he's been falsely accused, he sues his
accuser, whoever that turns out to be.

in message <[email hidden]>, Scoot

(') said:

trg said:

Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder
if he's pisssed off at CSC?

What good would DNA testing do? Has she been accused of fathering a
child and they need to compare his DNA with that of the child? Or are
they trying to match his DNA to the DNA found at a murder scene.

There are 200 bags of blood. It is not alleged that Basso took drugs, it
is alleged he was 'blood doping' (reinjecting his own blood). If any of
those bags contain his blood, he's cooked. If none do, then we have to
presume he's clean.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Morning had broken, and there was nothing left for us to do
but pick up the pieces.

trg said:

I wonder when they'll stop piddling with the riders and doctors and go after
the real hardcore dopers- the dogs. They could start with Birillo, then
Tanker and [censored] and the whole Belgium dog population.

What about the guinea pigs ?

trg a écrit :

Quoted message said:

"Frank Drackman" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email hidden]...
|
| "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
| > Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder if
| > he's
| > pisssed off at CSC?
| >
| >
|
| Who could he possibly sue? He signed a contract that gave the team the
| right to suspend him if he was named in a doping investigation.
|
|

The people who named him in the investigation. The Guardia Civil, Fuentes,
the Spanish press. If he can show he's been falsely accused, he sues his
accuser, whoever that turns out to be.

Forget it. Prosecutorial immunity.

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>,

Scoot (') said:

trg said:

Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder
if he's pisssed off at CSC?

What good would DNA testing do? Has she been accused of fathering a
child and they need to compare his DNA with that of the child? Or
are they trying to match his DNA to the DNA found at a murder scene.

There are 200 bags of blood. It is not alleged that Basso took drugs,
it is alleged he was 'blood doping' (reinjecting his own blood). If
any of those bags contain his blood, he's cooked. If none do, then we
have to presume he's clean.

According to cyclingnews, it wasn't just blood doping:

'The final link is contained in details of payments for products and
services. There is no direct naming of Basso, but a handwritten note by
Fuentes appeared to give 'Birillo' instructions to take certain
products. "Birillo: take 2 x plasma; 3 x HM (gonadotropin); 10 patches
(testosterone); code Swiss account."'

So if he is indeed 'Birillo' (and the list of possible candidates is
short) then a DNA match may not be required. And we know that cyclists
sometimes inject themselves with another person's blood. The best a DNA
test can do is make it less likely that Basso is Birillo, I think. This
would be made more likely if the blood could be linked to another
candidate. The say, for example, that 'Birillo arrived with Simoni' in
stage 7, so perhaps the DNA could also match with Rebellin or Gonchar.

In any case, I'm not presuming Basso is clean if the blood in the bags
isn't his. That's not to say he's guilty, but it's better to wait and
see.

"Sandy" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| trg a écrit :
| > "Frank Drackman" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
| > [email hidden]...
| > |
| > | "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| > | news:[email hidden]...
| > | > Now it gets interesting. If he's innocent, who does he sue? I wonder
if
| > | > he's
| > | > pisssed off at CSC?
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > | Who could he possibly sue? He signed a contract that gave the team
the
| > | right to suspend him if he was named in a doping investigation.
| > |
| > |
| >
| > The people who named him in the investigation. The Guardia Civil,
Fuentes,
| > the Spanish press. If he can show he's been falsely accused, he sues
his
| > accuser, whoever that turns out to be.
| >
| >
| >
| Forget it. Prosecutorial immunity.

But he hasn't been arrested or charged. Yet someone has linked his name to
blood doping practices which could end up costing him a fair sized chunk of
change. Anyway, that's why I put it in the form of a question, "Who does he
sue ?"