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    Changinglinks.C
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    Today, I was playing basketball with Dave.

    We established:
    1. A player can ride out of bounds, back in bounds and
    continue play.
    2. A player can dismount, mount and continue to play.
    3. A player must have 3 pedal revolutions after the shot for
    it to count (I know #3 is oppossed to the official rules)
    4. STEPS AND TRAVELING The player is allowed two
    steps. (9.2)

    WHAT HAPPENED: I was in possession of the ball, Dave was on
    defense. I attempted to make a shot and missed. After I
    missed, I wanted to make a tight turn, so I grabbed the
    goal post, swung around, got the ball, dribbled to half
    court and scored.

    A. Dave says the points should NOT count because I used the
    pole to make the turn.

    B. I say that it is okay to touch the pole as long as
    the player is NOT in possession of the ball.
    Likewise, I believe:
    1. if the ball strikes the pole it is out of bounds.
    2. If the player has the ball in 1 hand, and leans on the
    pole it is out of bounds.
    3. In NBA basketball, a player can touch the pole as long as
    he does not have possession.

    The "Official Rules to be used at UNICON 10 for basketball"
    only addresses the matter in this way:

    "9.4 PLAYER ON UNICYCLE The player can only play the ball
    while mounted on the unicycle and not touching anything else
    for support. This applies to offense, defense, and during
    jump balls. As an exception to this rule, players may jump
    off the unicycle for slam dunks and to block shots, as long
    as the player is aware of where the unicycle will end up and
    that it will not cause a safety hazard. If another player is
    fouled by the player that jumped or gets hit by the
    abandoned unicycle, a flagrant foul will be called. The
    player throwing the ball inbound must be mounted."

    related: "A player shall not make a second dribble after
    having completed a dribble, unless the ball, when it is out
    of the player's control, has touched another player, or the
    opponents' basket or backboard, or has been batted out of
    the player's control by an opponent."

    QUESTION: Can a player without possession of the ball use
    the goal post for turning, balance, stopping, and making
    quick reverses (as long as the player is not in possession
    of the ball)?

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  2. Johnfoss
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    I'm not a basketball expert here, so hopefully someone who
    plays more will respond. My interpretation, based on the
    rules you quoted, is yes.

    However, you quoted NBA rules. IUF Basketball rules default
    to "international rules," whatever those are. Since the goal
    post is not covered by the specific unicycle rules, it
    should be whatever is legal for international (Olympic?)
    basketball.

    What's with the riding out of bounds rule? This should only
    be allowed if the rider is not in possession of the ball.

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  3. Tom Holub
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    In article <[email hidden]-
    .at.Unicyclist.com>, ChangingLINKS.com <ChangingLINKS.com@N-
    oEmail.Message.Poster.at.Unicyclist.com> wrote: ) )Today, I
    was playing basketball with Dave. ) )We established: )1. A
    player can ride out of bounds, back in bounds and continue
    play. )2. A player can dismount, mount and continue to play.
    )3. A player must have 3 pedal revolutions after the shot
    for it to )count )(I know #3 is oppossed to the official
    rules) )4. STEPS AND TRAVELING The player is allowed two
    steps. (9.2)

    I don't like #3 at all. It's really difficult for most
    people to stay on their unis after they take a shot, and
    really, what's the point anyway? In normal basketball you
    can take a shot and fall to the floor.

    )WHAT HAPPENED: )I was in possession of the ball, Dave was
    on defense. )I attempted to make a shot and missed. )After I
    missed, I wanted to make a tight turn, so I grabbed the goal
    )post, )swung around, got the ball, dribbled to half court
    and scored. ) ) ) )A. Dave says the points should NOT count
    because I used the pole to make )the turn.

    It counts. You can use the pole as long as you're not
    touching the ball at the time. (The pole is out of
    bounds). -Tom

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  4. Changinglinks.C
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    We agree that a player WITH the ball cannot ride out of
    bounds. I meant to refer to players without possession.

    Thank you for responding John Foss. According to all of the
    search engines, you took the lead in developing the rules in
    2000. I tried to PM to get you to post - but apparently you
    cannot be PMed.

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  5. Johnfoss
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    That's right, I have PM turned off. I'm surprised the system
    doesn't somehow indicate that to users trying to PM me.

    But my email address is at the bottom of every post, which
    is hopefully enough. My friends and co-workers keep bugging
    me to set up an IM client on my machine, but until they can
    agree on which one, I continue to annoy them by sticking to
    email like some decrepit old person.

    I would ask basketball people. David Ramos occasionally
    posts here, or Teresa Abrahams. Or try to look up
    international basketball rules.

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  6. Changinglinks.C
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Or try to look up international basketball rules.

    I have searched for quite a bit of time and could not find
    the International/Olympic rules. Can anyone point me in the
    right direction?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    3. A player must have 3 pedal revolutions after the shot
    for it to


    count

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't like #3 at all. It's really difficult for most
    people to stay


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    their unis after they take a shot, and really, what's
    the point


    anyway?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In normal basketball you can take a shot and fall to
    the floor.

    We made up that rule because we had not seen the official
    rules and because we wanted shots to be "in control." Now, I
    know that the shot DOES have to be "in control" insofar as
    the player is responsible for not allowing the unicycle to
    fall in such a way that it harms others. (example: I can't
    spring off of my unicycle and purposely kick it backwards at
    a trailing defending player to do a slam dunk).

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  7. Tadaniels
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    Go to fibaamerica.comfibaamerica.com and click on, "Rules," to
    get a copy of the international rules for basketball in
    Adobe Acrobat PDF format.

    The IUF supplementary rules for basketball are in Section 10
    of the IUF rulebook (2004 edition). The IUF rulebook amy be
    found at unicycling.orgrulebook

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  8. Memphis Mud
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    I'm glad to know there are official rules.

    We say if you have the ball and are no longer riding, all
    you can do is pass the ball. You cannot shoot.

    Is there a rule for how much you must dribble? Like twice in
    ever 10 feet. Or what about "double dribble"? We often
    dribble some, then not, then dribble again.

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  9. Changinglinks.C
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    Memphis Mud said:

    *I'm glad to know there are official rules. We say if you
    have the ball and are no longer riding, all you can do is
    pass the ball. You cannot shoot. *

    I don't think that is covered in the rules. The way we
    played a player cannot touch the ball unless they are on
    their unicycle (including picking it up).

    [quote="Quoted message"][i]* Is there a rule for how much you must dribble? Like
    twice in ever 10 feet. Or what about "double dribble"?
    We often dribble some, then not, then dribble again. *[/quote]

    This IS covered in the rules and works just like normal
    basketball. The player gets 2 pedal pushes after dribbling
    to take the shot. Like normal basketball, a player cannot
    dribble, stop dribbling and dribble again. Finally, a
    modification rule is that a player can take 3 idles (pedal
    strokes?) after catching the ball before dribbling.
    FREQUENCY of dribbling is the same as basketball, you can
    dribble as little as you like so long as you aren't palming
    the ball when it comes up or allowing the ball to be higher
    than your hand. (In other words, the rules of dribbling are
    the same). There is an advantage in unicycling because it
    seems that less dribbling is required for some reason.

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  10. Tadaniels
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    A player may not continue to handle the ball if he / she comes off the
    unicycle. From Section 10 of the 2004 edition of the IUF Rulebook:

    10.4 PLAYER ON UNICYCLE

    The player can only play the ball while mounted on the
    unicycle and not touching anything else for support. This
    applies to offense, defense, and during jump balls. As an
    exception to this rule, players may jump off the unicycle
    for slam dunks and to block shots, as long as the player is
    aware of where the unicycle will end up and that it will not
    cause a safety hazard. If another player is fouled by the
    player that jumped or gets hit by the abandoned unicy-cle, a
    flagrant foul will be called.

    11.5 PLAYER OFF UNICYCLE

    If a player falls and loses the unicycle, the player must
    try to get it out of the way as soon as possible if it can
    be done without disrupting the flow of play. If that is not
    possible, then the player must leave it where it lands until
    it can be retrieved without being disruptive. A violation
    will result in an obstruction foul.

    12.8 CONTACT OF THE BALL WITH THE UNICYCLE

    As long as the player is in contact with the unicycle,
    riding or not, it is considered part of a player when a ball
    bounces out of bounds off the unicycle. If this happens the
    other team gets possession of the ball.

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