Bars per hour?

Simon Mason said:

I shall be riding through the night carrying Go Bars soon (and water) in a
waist bag. I reckon I should have to ride from 2200 - 0700 with no shops
being open. That's 9 hours riding, so how many 200 calorie Go Bars do you
reckon I need to carry? Will 10 be enough, given that I've got to shove the
stuff down my neck without gagging anyway? ;-)

Not sure which go bars you are talking about, but I would take four of
the 968 Colorie SIS ones <URL:http://www.scienceinsport.com/Go-Bar.htm>
and then expect to only consume two plus energy drink and a couple of
bananas. The extra two bars are just in case. Nearly 4000 calories
should be enough and 260g is not that much to carry. Though you do have
the same gagging problem.

From where and to where are you going?

--chris

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Simon Mason said:

I shall be riding through the night carrying Go Bars soon (and water) in
a waist bag. I reckon I should have to ride from 2200 - 0700 with no
shops being open. That's 9 hours riding, so how many 200 calorie Go Bars
do you reckon I need to carry? Will 10 be enough, given that I've got to
shove the stuff down my neck without gagging anyway? ;-)

Not sure which go bars you are talking about, but I would take four of the
968 Colorie SIS ones <URL:http://www.scienceinsport.com/Go-Bar.htm> and
then expect to only consume two plus energy drink and a couple of bananas.
The extra two bars are just in case. Nearly 4000 calories should be enough
and 260g is not that much to carry. Though you do have the same gagging
problem.

I have a box of those bars, but each bar is labelled as containing 206 kcal
(875 kJ), so 4000 calories is 20 bars! My bag only holds about 10 (leaving
room for other stuff) and in any case, eating 20 bars would not be easy.
I've got some of this energy gel as well though

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From where and to where are you going?

Bristol -Hull

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http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

Simon Mason said:

I shall be riding through the night carrying Go Bars soon (and water) in a
waist bag. I reckon I should have to ride from 2200 - 0700 with no shops
being open. That's 9 hours riding, so how many 200 calorie Go Bars do you
reckon I need to carry? Will 10 be enough, given that I've got to shove the
stuff down my neck without gagging anyway? ;-)

30-35 kcal/hr is a normal kind of "fuel consumption". You can't
replenish all of this in-flight because your blood has more pressing
things to do than hang around your stomach - i.e. keep your legs
working! I can do 90 miles plus on two flapjacks without bonking at the
end, but it depends quite a lot on the temperature. If it's cold you
burn it off much quicker.

Simon Mason said:

I have a box of those bars, but each bar is labelled as containing 206 kcal
(875 kJ), so 4000 calories is 20 bars! My bag only holds about 10 (leaving
room for other stuff) and in any case, eating 20 bars would not be easy.
I've got some of this energy gel as well though

Yup my mistake, but they still don't agree with your bars mine being
968kJ. I guess the real measure is how fast you can "graze" on them?
One and hour? I don't think I could eat them any faster than that.

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From where and to where are you going?

Bristol -Hull

Nice, and at night. What kind of lights are you using?

--chris

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30-35 kcal/hr is a normal kind of "fuel consumption". You can't
replenish all of this in-flight because your blood has more pressing
things to do than hang around your stomach - i.e. keep your legs
working!

I think you may be an order of magnitude out in your estimate.

Play around with these equations to get a better estimate of energy
consumption:

Taken from:

http://www.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:8080/~cswingle/misc/exercise.phtml
These relationships can be written as follows, where y represents the rate
of energy consumption in Kcal / min for a 150 pound rider, x represents the
average speed travelled in miles per hour, and exp(a) means e to the power
of a:

a.. Mountain bicycling: y = 1.47 * exp(0.144 * x)
b.. Touring: y = 1.41 * exp(0.125 * x)
c.. Racing: y = 1.34 * exp(0.107 * x)
I can do 90 miles plus on two flapjacks without bonking at the

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end, but it depends quite a lot on the temperature. If it's cold you
burn it off much quicker.

You also need to take into account that although there is an energy value on
the wrapper, it does not follow that *all* of the declared energy will be
available to you.

vernon levy said:

I think you may be an order of magnitude out in your estimate.

My mistake. I meant 30-35kcal/MILE.

FWIW, the "touring" example above gives 44kcal/mile at 18mph which seems
a bit high.

Chris Gerhard said:

Yup my mistake, but they still don't agree with your bars mine being
968kJ.

They are different flavours/compostion - maybe that affects the calorie
figure. Mine are banana.

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From where and to where are you going?

Bristol -Hull

Nice, and at night. What kind of lights are you using?

Cateye EL400 + Cateye TL-1000. 0h - and a full moon.

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Simon Mason said:

I shall be riding through the night carrying Go Bars soon (and water) in
a waist bag. I reckon I should have to ride from 2200 - 0700 with no
shops being open. That's 9 hours riding, so how many 200 calorie Go Bars
do you reckon I need to carry? Will 10 be enough, given that I've got to
shove the stuff down my neck without gagging anyway? ;-)

Not sure which go bars you are talking about, but I would take four of the
968 Colorie SIS ones <URL:http://www.scienceinsport.com/Go-Bar.htm> and
then expect to only consume two plus energy drink and a couple of bananas.
The extra two bars are just in case. Nearly 4000 calories should be enough
and 260g is not that much to carry. Though you do have the same gagging
problem.

I have a box of those bars, but each bar is labelled as containing 206 kcal
(875 kJ), so 4000 calories is 20 bars! My bag only holds about 10 (leaving
room for other stuff) and in any case, eating 20 bars would not be easy.
I've got some of this energy gel as well though

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From where and to where are you going?

Bristol -Hull

What's your route Simon? Up the Fosse? I'll be doing my Leicester
to Hull and back ride (over 2 days - 215 miles) in 2 weeks time. I've
picked a nice route keeping off A roads for 90% of the journey. My
weeks of training have paid off - - I did 110 miles on Thursday,
averaged 15.8 mph and felt perfectly OK afterwards.

As I LOVE malt loaf, that is what I took with me (10 slices) plus 2 x
750ml Go electrolyte drink bottles, plus another 750ml Volvic
sweetened water purchased from shop.
--
David Bentley

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I shall be riding through the night carrying Go Bars soon (and water) in a
waist bag. I reckon I should have to ride from 2200 - 0700 with no shops
being open. That's 9 hours riding, so how many 200 calorie Go Bars do you
reckon I need to carry? Will 10 be enough, given that I've got to shove the
stuff down my neck without gagging anyway? ;-)

Take a toothbrush! Even three bars will make your mouth horrid overnight!

You probably burn around 400kCal/hour cycling. Some, hopefully will come
from your body's reserves of glycogen and fat.

Aim to eat about half you are using, so 1 Go bar/hour. Any more will
make you gag. Eat the rest as anything you *really* like before and
after your ride.

ENJOY!

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

One bar an hour it is until the shops open, then I should be about 100
miles from home. Chewing gum at the ready!

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What's your route Simon? Up the Fosse? I'll be doing my Leicester
to Hull and back ride (over 2 days - 215 miles) in 2 weeks time. I've
picked a nice route keeping off A roads for 90% of the journey. My weeks
of training have paid off - - I did 110 miles on Thursday, averaged 15.8
mph and felt perfectly OK afterwards.

Yes, basically a rerun of the failed attempt from 5 years ago along the same
route. Good luck with your ride :-)

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Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

Simon Mason said:

I shall be riding through the night carrying Go Bars soon (and water) in a
waist bag. I reckon I should have to ride from 2200 - 0700 with no shops
being open. That's 9 hours riding, so how many 200 calorie Go Bars do you
reckon I need to carry? Will 10 be enough, given that I've got to shove the
stuff down my neck without gagging anyway? ;-)

I saw the thread title and thought 'That is one heck of a lot of
planning for a pub crawl'.

Are there really no 24hr cafes between Bristol and Hull?
try http://www.transportcafe.co.uk/cafelist.html

...d

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As I LOVE malt loaf, that is what I took with me (10 slices) plus 2 x
750ml Go electrolyte drink bottles, plus another 750ml Volvic sweetened
water purchased from shop.

LOL! In the "candy vs. energy bar..." thread, someone posted a link to a
recipe for "malt loaf" (being a colonial Canadian I hadn't heard of it
before) ... now my cycling roomies want me to bake some malt-loaf for them.
😉

Do you make it yourself or get store bought?

Soreen
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As I LOVE malt loaf, that is what I took with me (10 slices) plus 2 x
750ml Go electrolyte drink bottles, plus another 750ml Volvic
sweetened
water purchased from shop.

LOL! In the "candy vs. energy bar..." thread, someone posted a link to a
recipe for "malt loaf" (being a colonial Canadian I hadn't heard of it
before) ... now my cycling roomies want me to bake some malt-loaf for them.
😉

Do you make it yourself or get store bought?

Soreen

For our Canadian cousin, we should maybe explain.

Soreen is a popular brand of malt loaf. Most tiny shops stock it. It is
cheap and pannier proof...

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As I LOVE malt loaf, that is what I took with me (10 slices) plus 2
x
750ml Go electrolyte drink bottles, plus another 750ml Volvic
sweetened water purchased from shop.

LOL! In the "candy vs. energy bar..." thread, someone posted a link to
a recipe for "malt loaf" (being a colonial Canadian I hadn't heard of
it before) ... now my cycling roomies want me to bake some malt-loaf
for them. 😉

Do you make it yourself or get store bought?

Soreen

Which, for the benefit of our Canuck friends, is a brand name:
<URL:http://www.soreen.com/original_malt_loaf.asp>

Very good stuff.

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Soreen is a popular brand of malt loaf. Most tiny shops stock it. It
is cheap and pannier proof...

It's also compressible and fits nicely into a jersey pocket once compressed.
And you can pull bits off of it as you go along without getting really
messy.

Simon Mason said:

I shall be riding through the night carrying Go Bars soon (and water) in a
waist bag. I reckon I should have to ride from 2200 - 0700 with no shops
being open. That's 9 hours riding, so how many 200 calorie Go Bars do you
reckon I need to carry? Will 10 be enough, given that I've got to shove the
stuff down my neck without gagging anyway? ;-)

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

Why not merge some 24 hour service stations into your route for the
night section, Audax events do this. Save you carrying so much and will
offer some variety for food

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> As I LOVE malt loaf, that is what I took with me (10 slices) plus 2 x
> 750ml Go electrolyte drink bottles, plus another 750ml Volvic
> sweetened
> water purchased from shop.

LOL! In the "candy vs. energy bar..." thread, someone posted a link to a
recipe for "malt loaf" (being a colonial Canadian I hadn't heard of it
before) ... now my cycling roomies want me to bake some malt-loaf for them.
😉

Do you make it yourself or get store bought?

Soreen

For our Canadian cousin, we should maybe explain.

Soreen is a popular brand of malt loaf. Most tiny shops stock it. It is
cheap and pannier proof...

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

YEt Soreen is the most expensive. Morrisons sell at least 3 varieties,
some as little as 29p IIRC. IMHO Soreen still tastes best. Wish they'd
sponsor LEL and give it away to us.

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Which, for the benefit of our Canuck friends, is a brand name:
<URL:http://www.soreen.com/original_malt_loaf.asp>

Very good stuff.

And if your local baker isn't enlightened enough to sell it, make your own
- <http://www.visitaberfeldy.50megs.com/malt-loaf.htm>

I've just found out that our local baker sells it sometimes, I'll have to
pop in on the way home.

Graeme