balance between exercises

"mj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am interested to know if anyone on here can tell me what the correct
balance of strength should be between the basic weight training
exercises/muscle groups. For example if I can do 3 x 8 benchpress with
a weight of 120 what should I be able to do on shoulder presses,
pulldowns, leg presses etc. Is there a correct balance to aim for ?

It's all relative.

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"mj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am interested to know if anyone on here can tell me what the correct
balance of strength should be between the basic weight training
exercises/muscle groups. For example if I can do 3 x 8 benchpress with
a weight of 120 what should I be able to do on shoulder presses,
pulldowns, leg presses etc. Is there a correct balance to aim for ?

It's 2.45lbs x 45% of your lean muscle mass, then add 10.

TBR

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I am interested to know if anyone on here can tell me what the correct
balance of strength should be between the basic weight training
exercises/muscle groups. For example if I can do 3 x 8 benchpress with
a weight of 120 what should I be able to do on shoulder presses,
pulldowns, leg presses etc. Is there a correct balance to aim for ?

It's 2.45lbs x 45% of your lean muscle mass, then add 10.

well duh! who doesn't know that?

I think I worded my question badly. I'm not looking for what I can lift
relative to my own weight but the relative strengths of each muscle
group when doing the basic compound exercises. A specific example is
that using dumbells I can do 3 x 8 with weights of 55 for the bench
press but my shoulder press is 3 x 8 with weights of 35. Is there meant
to be a difference like this or should I be looking at being more
"balanced" ? The above is an example I am interested in the overall
balance of the strength of the body.

Jay said:

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It's 2.45lbs x 45% of your lean muscle mass, then add 10.

well duh! who doesn't know that?

Well apparently HE doesn't LOL

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

On 2 Sep 2005 13:04:13 -0700, "mj" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I think I worded my question badly. I'm not looking for what I can lift
relative to my own weight but the relative strengths of each muscle
group when doing the basic compound exercises. A specific example is
that using dumbells I can do 3 x 8 with weights of 55 for the bench
press but my shoulder press is 3 x 8 with weights of 35. Is there meant
to be a difference like this or should I be looking at being more
"balanced" ? The above is an example I am interested in the overall
balance of the strength of the body.

Just go lift your weights and shut up. Dumbazz...

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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mj said:

I think I worded my question badly. I'm not looking for what I can lift
relative to my own weight but the relative strengths of each muscle
group when doing the basic compound exercises. A specific example is
that using dumbells I can do 3 x 8 with weights of 55 for the bench
press but my shoulder press is 3 x 8 with weights of 35. Is there meant
to be a difference like this or should I be looking at being more
"balanced" ? The above is an example I am interested in the overall
balance of the strength of the body.

No two people are the same. And no, there really is no ideal since what
you are training for determines the ideal as well.

--
Keith

I would say just work out hard at a variety of compound exercises.
Your body will naturally find a balance, on some lifts you will
progress more rapidly than others at first. Some of these slower
responding muscles may catch up later as your faster responding groups
slow down (or plateau). Don't get down on your slower responding
groups, keep exercising them even though it is more gratifying doing
your best lifts.

James

mj said:

I think I worded my question badly. I'm not looking for what I can lift
relative to my own weight but the relative strengths of each muscle
group when doing the basic compound exercises. A specific example is
that using dumbells I can do 3 x 8 with weights of 55 for the bench
press but my shoulder press is 3 x 8 with weights of 35. Is there meant
to be a difference like this or should I be looking at being more
"balanced" ? The above is an example I am interested in the overall
balance of the strength of the body.

Curl=x, military press=2x, bench =3x, squat=4x, deadlift=5x.

YMMV.

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mj said:

I think I worded my question badly. I'm not looking for what I can lift
relative to my own weight but the relative strengths of each muscle
group when doing the basic compound exercises. A specific example is
that using dumbells I can do 3 x 8 with weights of 55 for the bench
press but my shoulder press is 3 x 8 with weights of 35. Is there meant
to be a difference like this or should I be looking at being more
"balanced" ? The above is an example I am interested in the overall
balance of the strength of the body.

Curl=x, military press=2x, bench =3x, squat=4x, deadlift=5x.

My guess is that if you look at powerlifters, you'll find as many who squat
more than they DL as the other way around. Certainly being able to DL 25%
more than you squat doesn't sound usual to me (even if it does describe me
because I'm a better DL'er than SQ'er - most people I know squat more than
they DL).

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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YMMV.

Steve Freides said:

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mj said:

I think I worded my question badly. I'm not looking for what I can lift
relative to my own weight but the relative strengths of each muscle
group when doing the basic compound exercises. A specific example is
that using dumbells I can do 3 x 8 with weights of 55 for the bench
press but my shoulder press is 3 x 8 with weights of 35. Is there meant
to be a difference like this or should I be looking at being more
"balanced" ? The above is an example I am interested in the overall
balance of the strength of the body.

Curl=x, military press=2x, bench =3x, squat=4x, deadlift=5x.

My guess is that if you look at powerlifters, you'll find as many who squat
more than they DL as the other way around.

Two things:

The mummy wrappings help the squat a lot more than the DL, so that probably is a
big factor.

Powerlifters are really strong; these proportions are reasonable for a beginner
to aim for. Get here, you're an intermediate lifter. Lift well in competition,
you're probably way past here on the lifts you compete in.

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Certainly being able to DL 25%
more than you squat doesn't sound usual to me (even if it does describe me
because I'm a better DL'er than SQ'er - most people I know squat more than
they DL).

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Quoted message said:

YMMV.

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Steve Freides said:

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mj said:

I think I worded my question badly. I'm not looking for what I can lift
relative to my own weight but the relative strengths of each muscle
group when doing the basic compound exercises. A specific example is
that using dumbells I can do 3 x 8 with weights of 55 for the bench
press but my shoulder press is 3 x 8 with weights of 35. Is there meant
to be a difference like this or should I be looking at being more
"balanced" ? The above is an example I am interested in the overall
balance of the strength of the body.

Curl=x, military press=2x, bench =3x, squat=4x, deadlift=5x.

My guess is that if you look at powerlifters, you'll find as many who squat
more than they DL as the other way around. Certainly being able to DL 25%
more than you squat doesn't sound usual to me (even if it does describe me
because I'm a better DL'er than SQ'er - most people I know squat more than
they DL).

Yeah, but I think that is distorted by the power suits and wraps. If you
are talking raw most people deadlift more than they squat, especially in
the lighter weight classes.

--
Keith

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mj said:

I am interested to know if anyone on here can tell me what the correct
balance of strength should be between the basic weight training
exercises/muscle groups. For example if I can do 3 x 8 benchpress with
a weight of 120 what should I be able to do on shoulder presses,
pulldowns, leg presses etc. Is there a correct balance to aim for ?

Consider this:
http://home.comcast.net/~joandbryce/hwgdami.htm

However, consider there's a lot of variability on machine so
comparing machine lifts can be like comparing to very different
types of apples.

mj said:

I think I worded my question badly. I'm not looking for what I can lift
relative to my own weight but the relative strengths of each muscle
group when doing the basic compound exercises.

You were clear. But comparing all of that to bodyweight factors is
the most general way to do it. See my other reply in this thread.

Thanks to everyone for the replies