Bad waitress tricks

jmcquown said:

Obviously you've never worked in a restaurant. The salad doesn't make
itself. And I can guarauntee the line cook isn't making that salad, nor the
chef at the back of the line.

I think that was his point. Order the salad for $8, and your 15% tip
is $1.20. Order a $20 dinner and your 15% tip is $3.00.

Why does the waitress get a better or worse tip based on the cost of
the meal?

Or take breakfast. That is typically cheaper than dinner. So, the
morning people make less money because the meals are cheaper?

The precedent is already set, but wouldn't it make more sense to base
the amount of the tip on the actual service, and maye the amount of
service you received?

Sometimes, I feel irritated to give a tip when all the lady did was
take my order and come back with it later. It was one plate, nothing
special. I didn't any special requests. I didn't ask for a box. I saw
the lady for less than two minutes total, but I have to pay her $2,
and my friend has to pay $2 for the same service. I know it sounds
cheap, and I realize they don't always get a lot of tips, but you
figure $4 for barely any service (at least to me and my friend), and
they're making pretty good money. Just 3 tables in an hour would pay
better than what I make.

--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

Meghan Noecker said:

Just 3 tables in an hour would pay
better than what I make.

There aren't that many prime hours in a waitressing day.

The more you bought, the more trouble it is.

It varies based on the complexity of the item, but in general, tipping
based on cost averages out the effort and the value over your life and
theirs.

--Blair

Meghan Noecker said:

jmcquown said:

Obviously you've never worked in a restaurant. The salad doesn't make
itself. And I can guarauntee the line cook isn't making that salad, nor the
chef at the back of the line.

I think that was his point. Order the salad for $8, and your 15% tip
is $1.20. Order a $20 dinner and your 15% tip is $3.00.

Why does the waitress get a better or worse tip based on the cost of
the meal?

Or take breakfast. That is typically cheaper than dinner. So, the
morning people make less money because the meals are cheaper?

The precedent is already set, but wouldn't it make more sense to base
the amount of the tip on the actual service, and maye the amount of
service you received?

Sometimes, I feel irritated to give a tip when all the lady did was
take my order and come back with it later. It was one plate, nothing
special. I didn't any special requests. I didn't ask for a box. I saw
the lady for less than two minutes total, but I have to pay her $2,
and my friend has to pay $2 for the same service. I know it sounds
cheap, and I realize they don't always get a lot of tips, but you
figure $4 for barely any service (at least to me and my friend), and
they're making pretty good money. Just 3 tables in an hour would pay
better than what I make.

--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

There's always a big difference in perspective between those who've
never waited in a restaurant and those who have. I waited on tables in
a Marie Callenders for 2 months many years ago. I've tipped much better
since. Anyone who thinks it's easy, or that they make great money,
simply hasn't done it. There are a very few that make good money
working in up-scale fancy restaurants, but they earn every dime of it
by giving up-scale fancy service! And as others have said, the effort
is usually proportional to the size of the check. Wait people do a lot
of work for almost no base pay. If they don't make good tips, the don't
make a living. And there are a lot of people who either straight up
stiff them, or tip just enough to say they tipped. People who don't
want to tip give all kinds of reasons, but let's be honest. If you
don't tip 20% for good, not superb, service, you're just plain cheap!

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Quoted message said:

There's always a big difference in perspective between those who've
never waited in a restaurant and those who have. I waited on tables in
a Marie Callenders for 2 months many years ago. I've tipped much better
since. Anyone who thinks it's easy, or that they make great money,
simply hasn't done it. There are a very few that make good money
working in up-scale fancy restaurants, but they earn every dime of it
by giving up-scale fancy service! And as others have said, the effort
is usually proportional to the size of the check. Wait people do a lot
of work for almost no base pay. If they don't make good tips, the don't
make a living. And there are a lot of people who either straight up
stiff them, or tip just enough to say they tipped. People who don't
want to tip give all kinds of reasons, but let's be honest. If you
don't tip 20% for good, not superb, service, you're just plain cheap!

No, 15% is for good service in most (that is, not really upscale)
restaurants. 20% is for significantly better than good service. This tip
inflation is a ploy by people in the industry to screw the customer and
line their own pockets. And don't give me the inflation [censored] - as meal
prices go up, the dollar amount of tips at 15% goes up exactly the same.

Yes, some people stiff the waiters, and that really *is* cheap, but it
is not the duty of other customers to make it up.

--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

salgud said:

want to tip give all kinds of reasons, but let's be honest. If you
don't tip 20% for good, not superb, service, you're just plain cheap!

Now it's 20% for just good service? What do you pay for great service?

Dang. I pay 15%- 20% for good and great service depending on what's
closest to the dollar. I'll round up for the great service. 10% for
decent service. I guess I better not go out ever again. I can't afford
to pay inflated food prices plus tax AND a 20+% tip.

For the most part, I avoid sit down restaurants. They usually mess up
my order, so I am guaranteed to be disappointed anyway. And never
steak. I've only gotten one steak that I enjoyed more than what I can
cook at home.

And what do you do when the food is [censored]? For example, I ordered the
all you can eat shrimp at one place. The waitress was wonderful, even
gave me extra to take home. But the shrimp was [censored]. I left feeliing
disatisfied and hungry. I gave the extra shrimp to the cat. I did
leave her a tip as she was nice, but I felt totally ripped, having
paid $12 (plus tax and tip) for a meal I did not like at all. I won't
ever go back there.

--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

Meghan Noecker said:

salgud said:

want to tip give all kinds of reasons, but let's be honest. If you
don't tip 20% for good, not superb, service, you're just plain cheap!

Now it's 20% for just good service? What do you pay for great service?

Dang. I pay 15%- 20% for good and great service depending on what's
closest to the dollar. I'll round up for the great service. 10% for
decent service. I guess I better not go out ever again. I can't afford
to pay inflated food prices plus tax AND a 20+% tip.

I probably eat out less often because I tip 20% for good service,
higher for better service. If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't
eat out.

Quoted message said:

For the most part, I avoid sit down restaurants. They usually mess up
my order, so I am guaranteed to be disappointed anyway. And never
steak. I've only gotten one steak that I enjoyed more than what I can
cook at home.

And what do you do when the food is [censored]? For example, I ordered the
all you can eat shrimp at one place. The waitress was wonderful, even
gave me extra to take home. But the shrimp was [censored]. I left feeliing
disatisfied and hungry. I gave the extra shrimp to the cat. I did
leave her a tip as she was nice, but I felt totally ripped, having
paid $12 (plus tax and tip) for a meal I did not like at all. I won't
ever go back there.

When something other than the service is lousy, give the same tip you
normally would for that kind of service and tell the manager that the
food/ambiance was lousy and you won't be back.

Quoted message said:

--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

salgud said:

I probably eat out less often because I tip 20% for good service,
higher for better service. If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't
eat out.

Thanks. I didn't realize that I couldn't even afford Dennys. I'll stay
home from now on.

--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

salgud said:

Quoted message said:

Dang. I pay 15%- 20% for good and great service depending on what's
closest to the dollar. I'll round up for the great service. 10% for
decent service. I guess I better not go out ever again. I can't afford
to pay inflated food prices plus tax AND a 20+% tip.

I probably eat out less often because I tip 20% for good service,
higher for better service. If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't
eat out.

Thanks. I will remember not to eat at places where the waiters demand 20%
tips.

D.Currie said:

We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time to pay, I
needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her. She came back with a
five and a ten, and muttered something about "sorry, no change." Grrr. Five
bucks was less than 15 percent, but even though she wasn't a spectacular
waitress, I didn't want to leave that little. We go to this place often, and
we've had this waitress before. But the full $10 was more than 20 percent
and that bugged me. Half of me was thinking she was just a little too dumb
to understand that I needed the singles for the tip, but the other half of
me was thinking that she was pushing me to make the choice between the $5
and the $10 and figuring she'd get the better tip.

I really don't know. Does anybody who worked in a restaurant know for
sure? In he end, I think the most direct approach would be, please get
me singles so I can leave the appropriate tip. It's honest and to the
point. When I need the singles for a tip, I just ask the server to
change again the $5 or $10 bill.

Since I am specifically asking for single dollar bills, the cashier
must give them to the server regardless if she wishes to part with the
singles in case she has a string of 20's in a row or even some 50's.

Dave Smith said:

salgud said:

Quoted message said:

Dang. I pay 15%- 20% for good and great service depending on what's
closest to the dollar. I'll round up for the great service. 10% for
decent service. I guess I better not go out ever again. I can't afford
to pay inflated food prices plus tax AND a 20+% tip.

I probably eat out less often because I tip 20% for good service,
higher for better service. If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't
eat out.

Thanks. I will remember not to eat at places where the waiters demand 20%
tips.

<sarcasm alert>
It's a deathspiral now....Since we won't be eating at places where they
demand 20% tip, they'll have less clients and less income from tips.
They'll demand 25% tip to make up for lost income.....and on it goes...

SD

SD said:

Dave Smith said:

salgud said:

> Dang. I pay 15%- 20% for good and great service depending on what's
> closest to the dollar. I'll round up for the great service. 10% for
> decent service. I guess I better not go out ever again. I can't afford
> to pay inflated food prices plus tax AND a 20+% tip.
>
I probably eat out less often because I tip 20% for good service,
higher for better service. If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't
eat out.

Thanks. I will remember not to eat at places where the waiters demand 20%
tips.

<sarcasm alert>
It's a deathspiral now....Since we won't be eating at places where they
demand 20% tip, they'll have less clients and less income from tips.
They'll demand 25% tip to make up for lost income.....and on it goes...

SD

O no!!! Because of my post, the restaurant business is doomed!!!

salgud said:

O no!!! Because of my post, the restaurant business is doomed!!!

No,I think you've improved it by increasing the per-check revenues for
everyone.

--Blair
"Cheap people stay home!"

Blair P. Houghton said:

salgud said:

O no!!! Because of my post, the restaurant business is doomed!!!

No,I think you've improved it by increasing the per-check revenues for
everyone.

--Blair
"Cheap people stay home!"

Then I've done my good deed for the day, I can mark my Boy Scout
calendar. Oops, I forgot, the BS are badddddddd!