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    Originally posted by rolfdevinci
    Yup...I agree. The other day I had a guy cycling the wrong way(in rush hour traffic),with bags of groceries dangling from the bar and arbitrarily jumping back and forth from the sidewalk to the street.
    I wonder why I get grief when i`m on the road...any motorist who had to guess what this bonehead was gonna do next would easily get the wrong impression of all cyclists.
    After 5 concussions and a history of falling on my head(lol)I always wear a helmet. Three weeks ago on a group ride a set of wet railway tracks did me in.....sure glad I had a helmet on that crash.

    This is a great thread, but lets not get caught up in the same few offences. What about these guys?

    1. cyclists on running paths suck
    2. cyclists who join you on solo training rides un-invited suck
    3. cyclists who ask if they can ride with you, then talk too much suck
    4. cyclists who draft while riding with aerobars suck
    5. cyclists who get upset suck (its a geek sport, expect to be heckled, laughed at, and cursed)
    6. slow cyclists on carbon frames suck (yuppies)
    7. mtb's who ride sidewalks and insist upon bunnyhopping on and off curbs like badasses suck (put the Mountains in mtbike)
    8. Downhillers suck (sorry guys- its not a sport)
    9. cyclists who were spandex in public places (while not riding) suck
    10. Finally, anybody who complains during a ride sucks

  2. I got disc brakes so I am allowed to ride the side walks fast because I can slow down.

  3. I'm new to this forum (hi, everyone), and have a related rant myself.

    My sensitivity in general, has been raised after my friend Alan was killed on Easter by a drunk driver while wearing his helmet (and my friend Jill was horribly injured, but thankfully not killed). I know it happens, but that doesn't make it ok. Anyhow, as concerned as I am about helmet use, I am more concerned with cycling etiquette on the road. To every post, no matter where it may be, the writer will usually get some supportive replies, but also some real crappy ones by people who either can't take anything seriously, or use the blanket of anonymity to say what they can't say in person. To make this shorter, I can just say that while some arrogant cyclists might get angry at what I write, dedicated cyclists/athletes who ride safely and promote it will not.

    Moving on...
    Yesterday, I went riding with my sis up Old La Honda Road in Palo Alto/Los Altos after work. Gorgeous, balmy evening and a beautiful ride. As I was coming to the junction of OLH and Portola Rd, a group of cyclists (a team it seems, by the matching jerseys) was suddenly at my left, not having said a word of warning beforehand. Two of them came so close that I was forced into the rutted shoulder (please, please, tires, don't pop!!!) and I managed to get back on the road, only to see them ride by without a word of concern or apology. To further the experience, the second wave of the group came up and did the same thing, but I was able to stay on the road. I'm not a confrontational person, and I was too busy trying to hold my line than worry about them. I called up the road to my sister that the group was up on her left, so she could move over.

    My point being, where is the sportsmanship in riding like this? In my tri group, we look out for one another, and every person we see on the road with us. We ride single file, hollar an "on your left!" when we approach anyone, whether it's a cyclist or not, and we care about how the sport of cycling is viewed by the public, so as to not exacerbate any negative opinions of cyclists that are already there. However, it is people like this group that afternoon, that give cyclists a bad name. Hording the road, disregard for others on it, etc. Safety has to come first. You can do everything right and still have things happen to you (Alan and Jill), so why increase the risk? A very quick notice as you come up on someone is not too much to ask. Nor is looking out for others as you're on the road. If it is too much, then stay off the road and please let us ride safely. Thanks.

  4. Dee said:

    Around here, it's easy to see why cyclists don't follow the rules - they don't know them! And neither do the motorists. Nobody knows what cyclists are supposed to do. Many motorists actually think that we're not supposed to be on the streets, that it's illegal. Growing up, we are never taught any cycling rules; living in the suburbs, we barely know how to properly cross a street walking. I made it a point to search out cycling laws for my community, but it was no easy thing to find; I had to doggedly search the internet.

    Great point IMO. In the UK you have very little if any, awareness regarding cycling itself or cyclists. You're at the complete mercy of car drivers who have no inclination of what it's like to have to walk let along avoid potholes, with many drivers who just hate ANYTHING in their way.

    You also have pedestrians and cyclists who share the same disregard for others, in particular what it actually means to have a blind-spot or be unable to see some idiot coming at you at 20mph, wearing dark clothing and no lights whatsoever.

    The Highway Code is very ambiguous. It only scrapes the surface, probably due to the attention span of the intended party combined with the intellect behind its rational; why should laws matter when there's money to be made simply from forcing people to pay extortionate fuel prices and tax hikes?

    Ask any cyclist and they will all, sooner or later, tell you about where 'flashpoints' can occur; it's not rocket-science it's just preservation of human life. Yet some (not all), drivers seem completely oblivious that the repeated disregard for cyclists at areas such as islands, lights and junctions is unbelievable. The Highway Code isn't enforced basically, not nearly enough where cyclists are concerned.

    How the Highway Code is interpreted, in some cases:

    . The notion that cyclists need room is a fallacy - one must follow as close as possible as to force the cyclist out of the way and ideally into gaps between stationary traffic. They should never have to pull out to avoid doors opening or to be seen by other road users..

    . Upon approaching an island (roundabout), if there is a cyclist attempting to go across or (Lord forbid) round the island, then it is your right to overtake them at ANY cost. Forget their lack of speed or the fact that they cannot envisage what you are doing from behind them, forget the fact that you have to be prepared for them to go any direction - they MUST be overtaken at all costs because they exist in YOUR world and they are in your way.

    . Turning right at junctions. Same as islands; a cyclist will attempt to correctly indicate and position themselves as soon as possible. It's not intended to impair your rightful path in life! I have simply lost count at the number of times an idiot has pulled up to my right in an attempt to overtake me no sooner I move, blocking my right-hand view and forcing me to swerve to avoid impact. Then there are people who undertake from your left.

    . Traffic Lights. Despite green cycle lanes (that cannot be seen after a while), if a cyclist is turning left at a set of traffic lights in full view, why do cars adapt the same attitude as when cyclists are turning left at junctions; i.e. it's obvious a cyclist is turning left, so why drive an inch in front of them, signal as if it actually means something in such a short space of time, and then cut them up? It's stupid and dangerous.

    . Just one wee small point: cyclists are human, they can get tired. Which means that just because they appear to be going too slow for you, doesn't mean they're doing it on purpose..especially with daft things like going up hills or in strong winds.

    Motorcycle riders and other cars command more space, so why is there such an attitude towards cyclists? Time after time we are told that we don't pay road tax, and that we have no right to be on the road, "wasting their time". These are opinions and not facts, not the law and if people can't abide by the law - which states that cyclists ARE traffic whether they agree or not - they don't deserve to be behind the wheel.

    Plus, I don't own a car at the moment (in rapair), but part of my taxes goes towards the upkeep of roads that have been damaged by cars. Part of my taxes goes towards building roads. Should I have to pay for something not attributed to cycle use? If I do cycle on the road 100% of the time, should I refuse to contribute to the upkeep of pavements seeing as I seldom use them? If we take this argument that cyclists don't contribute and therefore don't count, we go down a path of illogical conclusion.

    I've seen some pretty bad cyclists in my time, people with scant regard for others; there also seems to be an element within the "yob" culture that likes to roam the streets on their chrome contraptions, both as a means to rob and abuse others as well as a quick getaway. But there's also people that use cars as weapons, that use cars to intimidate others and break the law. I have to say that I have seen more deranged people behind the wheel of a car than I ever have on two wheels, and those cyclists stupid enough to play chicken with traffic usually find out the hard way..when it's too late.

    It's a risky game being on two wheels, especially with the changes in policing which dictate that the law has to adopt a centralised approach to monitoring both driver and cyclist behaviour. That's the reason I don't let situations get to me anymore because you can be as right and as angry as you want - when people are driving round with hammers, knives and guns and sometimes looking for confrontation, it's not worth it unless you have no other choice. There is no law to rely on. Considering the demographics of our transient societies - unable to acknowledge even communication and language skills - it's not worth it by a long shot..

    Maybe we need more awareness training from all sides..

  5. Brunswick_kate said:

    About an hour ago, I stepped out of the doors of my local credit union onto the sidewalk and was buzzed by 5 adult cyclists charging down the sidewalk. Two without helmets, one with a helmet on and two with the helmet dangling from the handlebars (that one I just don't get).

    They proceeded at breakneck speed to frighten an old lady who was on her walker -- I know this is just getting worse and jumped the "no walk" at the crosswalk.

    I know there are a lot of people who appear to take the attitude that cyclists can do no wrong and that it's always the motorist who's at fault but quite frankly, I find it hard to sympathize when we've got jackasses on bikes in our own community. If this lot of louts had got smacked by a car when they went flying across the sidewalk, I'd be hard pressed to sympathize.

    There's no excuse for travelling on the sidewalk on this street. There are a couple of places in the city where cyclists do travel a small portion of a sidewalk to get onto the roadway from a cycling path (like 10-20m) but this street is two-lane, one way, traffic light controlled and very bike friendly.

    I don't know why these jackasses make me so angry but they really do infuriate me. I just want to yell "Get off the sidewalk" at the top of my lungs.

    This summer I got into a rather heated debate with a woman who was upset because the local police had ticketed a friend of hers (or maybe it was a friend of a friend) for sidewalk riding. It was the usual diatribe of "you think the police would have more important things to do" etc. It was like talking to a wall trying to explain to her that sidewalk riding was wrong because it endangered pedestrians, it was unsafe for a cyclist to start with (I could have clipped the clowns with the credit union main door if I'd been 5 seconds later coming out of the lobby).

    I guess I just find that these anti-social clowns are an embarrassment to cyclists everywhere. I know I felt like a bit of an idiot standing there with my helmet tucked under my arm and I wanted to tell someone "I'm not one of them -- I actually know how to ride a bike".

    I don't know what the proper response should be. Should we, as cyclists, "police" our own community by chastizing these morons in public or do we just hope that they go away?


    It's funny how many times I've been riding on the road as supposed to and someone in a car screams at me..." RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK YOU MORON!!"

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