Bad Backs -- Only in Humans?

Prisoner at War said:

Those of you who deadlift with no problems, bike non-stop, or jog all-
day with no problems...are probably not as evolved! =)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/2070715/sc_nm/humans_walking_dc

Also, good news likely on the horizon:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/2070713/sc_nm/robot_walking_dc

You know why it's "only in humans"? The answer is simple, so even you
may understand it. The human body was never designed to sit in a
chair. Stand, crouch, lay down, but not sit in a chair. Chairs design
came from being easy to make, not for comfort. Stand, crouch (caveman
style) or lay down, and your back troubles will be gone.

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Prisoner at War said:

Those of you who deadlift with no problems, bike non-stop, or jog all-
day with no problems...are probably not as evolved! =)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070715/sc_nm/humans_walking_dc

Also, good news likely on the horizon:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070713/sc_nm/robot_walking_dc

Bad backs are just as common in Elderly animals.
Ask me how I know. :-(

It was a "bad back" that killed my last dog.
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A large fraction of breed dogs suffer skeletal problems.
What is a pleasing appearance to their owners can be
hell for their joints in middle age.

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rick++ said:

A large fraction of breed dogs suffer skeletal problems.
What is a pleasing appearance to their owners can be
hell for their joints in middle age.

A lot of skeletal problems in dogs and other animals (horses
are susceptible to back problems, in particular) have to do
with normal osteoarthritic processes as well as training
injuries (overuse injuries and otherwise). There are also
problems with genetic diseases (you're probably thinking of
things like hip and elbow dysplasia) but they're not really
the result of breeding for a particular skeletal structure.
It's more a combination of failing to account for genetic
health issues when breeding and plain old luck of the draw.

Also, I don't think it's accurate to say that "a large
fraction" of [pure-]bred dogs suffer skeletal problems - if
I had to guess I'd guess that it's probably comparable to
humans. Some breeds are more likely than others, of course.
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Quoted message said:

You know why it's "only in humans"? The answer is simple, so even you
may understand it. The human body was never designed to sit in a
chair. Stand, crouch, lay down, but not sit in a chair. Chairs design
came from being easy to make, not for comfort. Stand, crouch (caveman
style) or lay down, and your back troubles will be gone.

Yeah, now there's research suggesting that sitting upright is bad and
a slight slouch is good! So who knows anymore...though I always did
find sitting upright uncomfortable after a while, especially at the
piano!

Heck, my sports doc, some Fellow of the Royal Society of Orthopedic
Surgeons, claims that running is bad for the back and that our backs
aren't meant for running....

Prisoner at War said:

Quoted message said:

You know why it's "only in humans"? The answer is simple, so even you
may understand it. The human body was never designed to sit in a
chair. Stand, crouch, lay down, but not sit in a chair. Chairs design
came from being easy to make, not for comfort. Stand, crouch (caveman
style) or lay down, and your back troubles will be gone.

Yeah, now there's research suggesting that sitting upright is bad and
a slight slouch is good! So who knows anymore...though I always did
find sitting upright uncomfortable after a while, especially at the
piano!

Heck, my sports doc, some Fellow of the Royal Society of Orthopedic
Surgeons, claims that running is bad for the back and that our backs
aren't meant for running....

Aloha Prisoner!

Thanks for posting this, I had absolutely NO idea! For those that are
staunch believers in the "evolution theory" for us [censored]-sapiens,
trying to put the "family tree" of our species is an enigma. Something
tells me that as time goes on, various scientists and archaeologists
will always uncover yet, one more "puzzle piece" here and there, now
and then. For some reason, I honestly don't believe that WE were ever
to complete our line of evolution.

It amazes me how QUICKLY we seemed to "evolve" during certain time
periods yet, during others, it was a looooong boring time before our
bodies made any noticeable changes. Even THEN, the 'change' wasn't
always the "best" idea, but if it worked, unfortunately, it STAYED. I
had heard elsewhere that our entire spinal bone structure is virtually
saturated with errors due to "evolutions" kept changes that COULD have
been done in a more efficient manner. Since "God" is out of the
picture in this line of thinking, there are no "Checks and Balances"
to rid errors made. Nature (a Godless one, that is) would simply do
the "knee-jerk" reaction and keep the first changes that worked, no
matter how FLAWED it was.

Being a 'chronic painer', I find that realization very disturbing to
say the LEAST! <Wayne stomps away visibly upset, kicking and cursing
inaudibly...>

Oh, BTW Prisoner; Thanks for giving "He Who "Extremely Dislikes" that
nice little "jab" so nicely placed just under the "radar" enough to
only be noticed by people of normal intelligence or above. LOL! Had
YOU not, I may have. Isn't it "kind of, yet, understandably" upsetting
how seemingly intelligent and USUALLY polite people say things they
normally wouldn't say to them if they were face-to-face because of the
unfortunate effect this unmoderated "user-net" has on 'certain'
persons 'temperament' and/or 'courage'? There was absolutely NO reason
whatsoever for "it" to make a remark about your (or anyones, for that
matter) intelligence? I moved here, to Hawaii, to get away from the
complete insanity of the "mainland Corporate senseless "stab-each-
other-in-the-back" just to get one more step up on the "competence
ladder" <wink> and the (practically) criminal behavior of DRIVERS
who'll "flip you off" every day and what seems like, CONSTANTLY. That
makes NO SENSE to me. What happens to (non-island living) people when
they get behind the wheel of a vehicle?!!!? SHEESH!

Sorry, that paragraph wasn't originally meant to be a "rant"! As
usual, I derailed my "train" of thought again. (sigh...)

;-)

Aloha Just For Now,
Hawaiian Wayne

Prisoner at War said:

Quoted message said:

You know why it's "only in humans"? The answer is simple, so even you
may understand it. The human body was never designed to sit in a
chair. Stand, crouch, lay down, but not sit in a chair. Chairs design
came from being easy to make, not for comfort. Stand, crouch (caveman
style) or lay down, and your back troubles will be gone.

Yeah, now there's research suggesting that sitting upright is bad and
a slight slouch is good! So who knows anymore...though I always did
find sitting upright uncomfortable after a while, especially at the
piano!

Heck, my sports doc, some Fellow of the Royal Society of Orthopedic
Surgeons, claims that running is bad for the back and that our backs
aren't meant for running....

Aloha Prisoner!

Thanks for posting this, I had absolutely NO idea! For those that are
staunch believers in the "evolution theory" for us [censored]-sapiens,
trying to put the "family tree" of our species is an enigma. Something
tells me that as time goes on, various scientists and archaeologists
will always uncover yet, one more "puzzle piece" here and there, now
and then. For some reason, I honestly don't believe that WE were ever
to complete our line of evolution.

It amazes me how QUICKLY we seemed to "evolve" during certain time
periods yet, during others, it was a looooong boring time before our
bodies made any noticeable changes. Even THEN, the 'change' wasn't
always the "best" idea, but if it worked, unfortunately, it STAYED. I
had heard elsewhere that our entire spinal bone structure is virtually
saturated with errors due to "evolutions" kept changes that COULD have
been done in a more efficient manner. Since "God" is out of the
picture in this line of thinking, there are no "Checks and Balances"
to rid errors made. Nature (a Godless one, that is) would simply do
the "knee-jerk" reaction and keep the first changes that worked, no
matter how FLAWED it was.

Being a 'chronic painer', I find that realization very disturbing to
say the LEAST! <Wayne stomps away visibly upset, kicking and cursing
inaudibly...>

Oh, BTW Prisoner; Thanks for giving "He Who "Extremely Dislikes" that
nice little "jab" so nicely placed just under the "radar" enough to
only be noticed by people of normal intelligence or above. LOL! Had
YOU not, I may have. Isn't it "kind of, yet, understandably" upsetting
how seemingly intelligent and USUALLY polite people say things they
normally wouldn't say to them if they were face-to-face because of the
unfortunate effect this unmoderated "user-net" has on 'certain'
persons 'temperament' and/or 'courage'? There was absolutely NO reason
whatsoever for "it" to make a remark about your (or anyones, for that
matter) intelligence? I moved here, to Hawaii, to get away from the
complete insanity of the "mainland Corporate senseless "stab-each-
other-in-the-back" just to get one more step up on the "competence
ladder" <wink> and the (practically) criminal behavior of DRIVERS
who'll "flip you off" every day and what seems like, CONSTANTLY. That
makes NO SENSE to me. What happens to (non-island living) people when
they get behind the wheel of a vehicle?!!!? SHEESH!

Sorry, that paragraph wasn't originally meant to be a "rant"! As
usual, I derailed my "train" of thought again. (sigh...)

;-)

Aloha Just For Now,
Hawaiian Wayne

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rick++ said:

A large fraction of breed dogs suffer skeletal problems.
What is a pleasing appearance to their owners can be
hell for their joints in middle age.

I've seen that in Pekinese dogs.

In this case, it was a 15 year old Shetland Sheepdog.
He ended up with severe spinal degeneration and bone spurs, and became
paralyzed rather suddenly.

I finally gave in to the inevitable and had him put down when he was
finally in too much pain to want to eat. Force feeding him would have
been the ultimate in selfish cruelty.

It was not an easy decision...
Seeing the spinal x-ray made the decision a little easier, but not much.

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Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Prisoner at War said:

Those of you who deadlift with no problems, bike non-stop, or jog all-
day with no problems...are probably not as evolved! =)

Quoted message said:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070715/sc_nm/humans_walking_dc

Quoted message said:

Also, good news likely on the horizon:

Quoted message said:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070713/sc_nm/robot_walking_dc

Bad backs are just as common in Elderly animals.
Ask me how I know. :-(

It was a "bad back" that killed my last dog.
--
Peace, Om

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From you humping it.

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

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What's that? A frikin rat?