Bacon butties

Colin Blackburn said:

From:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/4454199.stm

"""
Butty reward for biking to school

Hundreds of school children in York are to get a novel reward for
getting fit and active - a bacon sandwich.

The breakfast treat will be given to children from Millthorpe, All
Saints, Dringhouses and Our Lady's Primary who ditch the car and cycle
to school.

Bike-to-school week is being run in conjunction with green transport
body Sustrans and the City of York Council.

Council chiefs hope the initiative will encourage pupils across the city
to take up pedal power.

Ann Sunderland, the council's school travel co-ordinator, said: "Cycling
to school is an excellent way of encouraging young people to take more
exercise, think green and reduce school run congestion."

The sandwiches - made with wholemeal bread and organic bacon - will be
given to pupils arriving by bicycle at school on Monday.
"""

I do hope they'll provide a vegetarian alternative if anyone prefers it.

Colin

And use wholemeal bread - not that 17p a loaf cotton wool from the
supermarkets...

Chris said:

Colin Blackburn said:

From:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/4454199.stm

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The sandwiches - made with wholemeal bread and organic bacon

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quoted message said:

And use wholemeal bread - not that 17p a loaf cotton wool from the
supermarkets...

Note highlight above.

Good idea, I think, and it even falls into line with the current Real
Food In Schools hoopla as well as being something tangibly good that
most kids would be happy with. Though I'd say /decent/ white bread may
be more child friendly while not losing you *too* much ground on the
goodness angle.

Pete.
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Chris said:

Quoted message said:

The sandwiches - made with wholemeal bread and organic bacon -

Colin

And use wholemeal bread - not that 17p a loaf cotton wool from the
supermarkets...

:-)

Peter Clinch said:

Good idea, I think, and it even falls into line with the current Real
Food In Schools hoopla as well as being something tangibly good that
most kids would be happy with. Though I'd say /decent/ white bread may
be more child friendly while not losing you *too* much ground on the
goodness angle.

We always have wholmeal at home, so my 5 yr old regards white bread as
a grate treat. He always has peanut butter sandwich on white bread
when we go to our local caff, and told them he was never going there
ever again when they'd run out of white bread one day.

Shuggie said:

Chris said:

Quoted message said:

The sandwiches - made with wholemeal bread and organic bacon -

Colin

And use wholemeal bread - not that 17p a loaf cotton wool from the
supermarkets...

:-)

I must learn to read *every* line 😉

Peter Clinch said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The sandwiches - made with wholemeal bread and organic bacon

Quoted message said:

Good idea, I think, and it even falls into line with the current Real
Food In Schools hoopla as well as being something tangibly good that
most kids would be happy with.

if most of the kids are non-vegetarian, non-muslim, non-jewish. At
least 50% of the kids are my son's primary school would not be happy
with bacon sarnies.

audrey wrote:

[BACON]

Quoted message said:

if most of the kids are non-vegetarian, non-muslim, non-jewish. At
least 50% of the kids are my son's primary school would not be happy
with bacon sarnies.

Or their parents wouldn't...

--
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And then there was light and He thought it was good, so He threw the receipt
away.

audrey said:

if most of the kids are non-vegetarian, non-muslim, non-jewish. At
least 50% of the kids are my son's primary school would not be happy
with bacon sarnies.

It remains a good idea in principle, and I don't think extending the
menu a bit will be too hard. A single sandwich filling will never
please /everyone/, but organic bacon at least sends out the message that
corners are not being cut.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Colin Blackburn said:

The sandwiches - made with wholemeal bread and organic bacon
- will be given to pupils arriving by bicycle at school on Monday.

Even made with organic bacon and wholemeal bread, would you think of a
bacon butty as being an appropriate snack? Is it even a good idea to
use food as an incentive?

What will they offer vegetarian, Jewish and Moslem children? Two of
those sound as though they are church schools, but then my daughter
attends a Church of England school and she is partly Jewish. There are
also a few girls with a Moslem background at her school. As it happens
we do not observe the dietary laws, but that's just us.

--
Dave...

Dave Larrington said:

audrey wrote:

[BACON]

Quoted message said:

if most of the kids are non-vegetarian, non-muslim, non-jewish. At
least 50% of the kids are my son's primary school would not be happy
with bacon sarnies.

Or their parents wouldn't...

Too true. I'm pretty certain my son's vegetarianism (imposed entirely
by me) has been sullied. He was trying to convince me the other day
that turkey isn't 'meat'. If it was school dinner turkey he's tried,
he could be right I suppose.

dkahn400 said:

Colin Blackburn said:

The sandwiches - made with wholemeal bread and organic bacon
- will be given to pupils arriving by bicycle at school on Monday.

Even made with organic bacon and wholemeal bread, would you think of a
bacon butty as being an appropriate snack? Is it even a good idea to
use food as an incentive?

Er, I didn't write that the BBC did.

Quoted message said:

What will they offer vegetarian, Jewish and Moslem children? Two of
those sound as though they are church schools, but then my daughter
attends a Church of England school and she is partly Jewish. There are
also a few girls with a Moslem background at her school. As it happens
we do not observe the dietary laws, but that's just us.

That's why I added my comment, snipped by you.

Colin

audrey <[email hidden]> wrote:

: if most of the kids are non-vegetarian, non-muslim, non-jewish. At
: least 50% of the kids are my son's primary school would not be happy
: with bacon sarnies.

This is York. It's very white. I'm sure there are muslim, jewish
pupils at the schools, but I live next door to one of them and it's
going to be a small percentage (*).

More to the point, I'm sure there's a veggie option
as well given the percentage of teenage girls who are veggie. Listing
all the options of food given doesn't make for a snappy headline. Not
many religions object to Linda McCartney veggie rashers.

Arthur

(*) You might say "how can I tell jewish pupils" and I can't, but York
hasn't really had a significant Jewish population 150 Jews
were burned at Cliffords Tower in 1190. There's still a commeration
every year.

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Don't get me wrong, perl is an OK operating system, but it lacks a
lightweight scripting language -- Walter Dnes

Arthur Clune said:

More to the point, I'm sure there's a veggie option
as well given the percentage of teenage girls who are veggie. Listing
all the options of food given doesn't make for a snappy headline.

Of course not but the headline for the news article was, "Butty reward
for biking to school." No mention of bacon. (The subject line was my
fault.) The article went on to describe the sandwich in some detail, and
thus I assume it was taken from a press release. Since there was an
emphasis on 'wholemeal' and 'organic' I'm surprised that there wasn't
such an emphasis on 'vegetarian' if that term was used in the press release.

Colin

Colin Blackburn said:

dkahn400 wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Even made with organic bacon and wholemeal bread, would you
think of a bacon butty as being an appropriate snack? Is it
even a good idea to use food as an incentive?

Er, I didn't write that the BBC did.

Correct.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What will they offer vegetarian, Jewish and Moslem children?

<snip>

Quoted message said:

That's why I added my comment, snipped by you.

You did, too. Apologies for my clumsy quoting.

--
Dave...

Peter Clinch said:

dkahn400 wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What will they offer vegetarian, Jewish and Moslem children?

That's the devil in the detail, which doesn't undermine the
basic idea.

There's still the issue of whether a fatty snack is the appropriate
incentive for making a healthy transport choice.

--
Dave...

dkahn400 said:

There's still the issue of whether a fatty snack is the appropriate
incentive for making a healthy transport choice.

Bacon needn't be fatty, you can use a low-fat spread rather than butter
and bread is hardly the sort of thing to categorise as a fatty snack bad
for the health, doubly so if it's wholemeal.

Bacon butty with quality ingredients is a good mix of stuff with
protein, fibre and vitamins.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

dkahn400 said:

Peter Clinch said:

dkahn400 wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What will they offer vegetarian, Jewish and Moslem children?

That's the devil in the detail, which doesn't undermine the
basic idea.

There's still the issue of whether a fatty snack is the appropriate
incentive for making a healthy transport choice.

Schools in Leicester are using a draw for various bike accessories and
cinema tickets as their incentive. The downside of that is there isn't a
guaranteed something for every child.

Bacon butties would definitely be a bad idea in Leicester though.

Colin

dkahn400 said:

There's still the issue of whether a fatty snack is the appropriate
incentive for making a healthy transport choice.

The bacon butties at the Test Valley Tour yesterday seemed to be in
great demand.
The scones with jam and cream were good too.
I didn't see many riders eating salads, although there was carrot cake
on offer ;-)

John B

Colin Blackburn said:

Schools in Leicester are using a draw for various bike accessories and
cinema tickets as their incentive. The downside of that is there isn't a
guaranteed something for every child.

Our primary school doesn't have anywhere for children to lock bikes
up. But they're planning a new building so guess what I've been
asking for in 'consultation' meetings.