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  1. Swimming pool bans backstroke
    Date: March 23 2004

    A local council has banned swimmers from doing backstroke in
    its pool, saying it fears they could injure themselves if
    they collide.

    Bathers at the Daisyfield pool in Blackburn, north-west
    England, have been told they can do only forward strokes
    during busy periods when the pool is divided into lanes,
    officials said.

    "This is not about threats of legal action," said Kate
    Hollern, an executive on Blackburn and Darwen Council
    responsible for culture, leisure and sport.

    "We are limiting the times when people can swim backstroke
    to prevent dangerous collisions.

    "We would expect that people would be concerned for their
    own safety as well as that of others and we are being
    proactive in introducing these rules."

    She said the new rules complied with guidelines issued by
    the national Institute of Sport and Recreation Management,
    and were "designed be inclusive to ensure that all people
    can use our facilities in a safe way".

    AP

  2. [email hidden] (mckinnon) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Swimming pool bans backstroke Date: March 23 2004

    A local council has banned swimmers from doing backstroke
    in its pool, saying it fears they could injure themselves
    if they collide.

    Bathers at the Daisyfield pool in Blackburn, north-west
    England, have been told they can do only forward strokes
    during busy periods when the pool is divided into lanes,
    officials said.

    "This is not about threats of legal action," said Kate
    Hollern, an executive on Blackburn and Darwen Council
    responsible for culture, leisure and sport.

    "We are limiting the times when people can swim backstroke
    to prevent dangerous collisions.

    "We would expect that people would be concerned for their
    own safety as well as that of others and we are being
    proactive in introducing these rules."

    She said the new rules complied with guidelines issued by
    the national Institute of Sport and Recreation Management,
    and were "designed be inclusive to ensure that all people
    can use our facilities in a safe way".

    AP

    this only leads to the logical conclusion that swimming
    should be banned because someone could drown. friggin idiots

  3. "mckinnon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Swimming pool bans backstroke Date: March 23 2004

    A local council has banned swimmers from doing backstroke
    in its pool, saying it fears they could injure themselves
    if they collide.

    Bathers at the Daisyfield pool in Blackburn, north-west
    England, have been told they can do only forward strokes
    during busy periods when the pool is divided into lanes,
    officials said.

    "This is not about threats of legal action," said Kate
    Hollern, an executive on Blackburn and Darwen Council
    responsible for culture, leisure and sport.

    "We are limiting the times when people can swim backstroke
    to prevent dangerous collisions.

    "We would expect that people would be concerned for their
    own safety as well as that of others and we are being
    proactive in introducing these rules."

    She said the new rules complied with guidelines issued by
    the national Institute of Sport and Recreation Management,
    and were "designed be inclusive to ensure that all people
    can use our facilities in a safe way".

    AP


    They are right. In the many years I have swum in
    public sessions I have concluded that backstroke
    swimmers are a pest.

  4. "mckinnon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Swimming pool bans backstroke Date: March 23 2004

    A local council has banned swimmers from doing backstroke
    in its pool, saying it fears they could injure themselves
    if they collide.

    Bathers at the Daisyfield pool in Blackburn, north-west
    England, have been told they can do only forward strokes
    during busy periods when the pool is divided into lanes,
    officials said.

    "This is not about threats of legal action," said Kate
    Hollern, an executive on Blackburn and Darwen Council
    responsible for culture, leisure and sport.

    "We are limiting the times when people can swim backstroke
    to prevent dangerous collisions.

    "We would expect that people would be concerned for their
    own safety as well as that of others and we are being
    proactive in introducing these rules."

    She said the new rules complied with guidelines issued by
    the national Institute of Sport and Recreation Management,
    and were "designed be inclusive to ensure that all people
    can use our facilities in a safe way".

    A


    I know I am preaching to the converted, because the sort of
    people who read Swimming Newsgroup don't commit the sort of
    crimes I shall speak of. Most readers won't be victims
    either, so bear with me while I look for a bit of sympathy
    from the world's swimming elite, for an old splasher who has
    to swim in public sessions.

    For all you club swimmers who may not know, public
    sessions are the annoying times when the club is expelled
    from the pool in favour of the sort of people who arrive
    carrying a soggy looking carrier bag and with the furtive
    look of someone sneaking in to a mucky film. Being a bit
    over the hill and yet not wishing to admit it, I have to
    swim in such sessions, because I just can't get to the
    club enough. However, I bring the legacy of club behaviour
    with me inasmuch as I expect other people to behave
    properly; but they don'
    t. If you should have the misfortune to have to swim with
    the public some pointers on who to avoid may help.

    The most obvious category to avoid is women with hairdos.
    They display herd behaviour, and 'swim' four abreast,
    catching up on the week's gossip. The most heinous crime you
    can commit is to dampen their hair or face. I did once by
    accident, and was kicked in the groin in punishment. In
    retaliation I accidentally splashed even harder on my next
    length, only to have a full set of long varnished nails
    slashed down my back. My wife believed my explanation of the
    scars, god bless her.

    Don't be fooled either if they wear a shower cap, it's even
    worse because it shows they mean to stay. They invariably
    swim a stately breast stroke, characterised by a slow leg
    kick which pushes the water down with the top of the feet
    while keeping the toes and heels firmly together - anything
    more would be unladylike. This is of course near useless for
    exercise, and they can't understand why their legs continue
    to look like jodhpurs.

    With or without the shower cap they will regularly
    congregate at the ends of the pool for a proper talk,
    always choosing the bit where you want to perform your
    tumble turns.

    Men can be just as bad in their way. Here there are two
    danger signs. The first is a pair of baggy shorts, the
    second is anyone on the poolside clutching his towel. The
    towel on the poolside is the sporting equivalent of a
    comfort blanket, and is a dead give-away. If you see someone
    in baggy shorts and clutching a towel approaching the water,
    get out; you won't stand and earthly. They will thrash
    violently in the water, oblivious of everyone else in the
    pool, and yet go almost nowhere. It hasn't dawned on them
    that wearing the equivalent of a parachute in the water
    makes about as much sense as going jogging with a rickshaw
    strapped to your backside. If they do make any progress it
    will probably be across the pool, when everyone else wants
    to do lengths. In a fit of public spiritedness I once
    offered advice to one such fellow to swim lengths. He then
    proceeded diagonally. I went on to explain the purpose of
    the stripes on the pool bottom, only to be told that in 10
    years he had never noticed them before. I was not surprised
    to recognise him some days later among a group of UFO
    spotters on the hills above the town.

    More innocent, but equally dangerous is the short sighted
    swimmer. I have to declare the reason for my sympathy is
    that I am very short sighted myself . In the days before I
    found out that contact lenses are perfectly safe under a
    good pair of goggles, I was quite dangerous myself. My wife
    and I used to swim a lot when we were courting, and she took
    the precaution of having a very bright and distinctive
    costume so I could locate her in the great fuzzy mass of
    pink bits, which was all I could see. This worked well until
    one day another girl in an identical costume beat her in to
    the pool. I was only saved from a serious charge by my
    wife's hurried explanation and the natural tendency of women
    to believe each other over anything a man might say. God
    bless her, again. Swimmers with poor eyesight can be spotted
    by the red marks on the bridge of their nose, and their
    tendency to walk in to pillars. Please be patient if you
    find one blundering about in the wrong changing room, it's
    pointless being a voyeur without your glasses on anyway.

    The final menace is the pretentious swimmer. They can't be
    spotted in advance, but as soon as they strike out you'll
    see them. I call them pretentious, because their stroke
    looks more like a hand ballet than a means of propulsion.
    Also, they tend to swim with their eyes blissfully shut. On
    front crawl they will bring their arm forward on the
    recovery as if launching a javelin, but pause above the
    water with backward bent fingers, to then elegantly lay the
    hand on the water and watch it disappear like Ophelia . What
    happens under the water is less important to them than how
    they look to the lifeguard. On breast stroke they adopt an
    exaggerated glide, lifting the face fully clear of the water
    each stroke to display a smile of inner nirvana. It is the
    legs which do the harm though. Their breast stroke kick is
    three lanes wide, and always perfectly timed to coincide
    with your painful bits when overtaking them.

    The final feature I would point out is common to all those
    types I have mentioned. It is their rudeness. Whenever I try
    to point out the error of their ways to them you just
    wouldn't believe the things they say. I mean, it 's every
    citizen's duty to offer advice to those who need it, isn't
    it? I have worked this to advantage now though. I have
    offered enough advice to enough people now that, though I
    still can't avoid them, they've started avoiding me.

  5. Sir, I risk breaching Netiquette to say that this was the
    most marvelous discourse I have seen on this subject in my
    nigh-on 35 years of swimming.

    I am in your debt.

    Duncan Heenan left this mess on Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:11:28
    -0000 for The Way to clean up:

    Quoted message said:

    "mckinnon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Swimming pool bans backstroke Date: March 23 2004

    A local council has banned swimmers from doing backstroke
    in its pool, saying it fears they could injure themselves
    if they collide.

    Bathers at the Daisyfield pool in Blackburn, north-west
    England, have been told they can do only forward strokes
    during busy periods when the pool is divided into lanes,
    officials said.

    "This is not about threats of legal action," said Kate
    Hollern, an executive on Blackburn and Darwen Council
    responsible for culture, leisure and sport.

    "We are limiting the times when people can swim
    backstroke to prevent dangerous collisions.

    "We would expect that people would be concerned for their
    own safety as well as that of others and we are being
    proactive in introducing these rules."

    She said the new rules complied with guidelines issued by
    the national Institute of Sport and Recreation
    Management, and were "designed be inclusive to ensure
    that all people can use our facilities in a safe way".

    A


    I know I am preaching to the converted, because the sort of
    people who read Swimming Newsgroup don't commit the sort of
    crimes I shall speak of. Most readers won't be victims
    either, so bear with me while I look for a bit of sympathy
    from the world's swimming elite, for an old splasher who
    has to swim in public sessions.

    For all you club swimmers who may not know, public sessions
    are the annoying times when the club is expelled from the
    pool in favour of the sort of people who arrive carrying a
    soggy looking carrier bag and with the furtive look of
    someone sneaking in to a mucky film. Being a bit over the
    hill and yet not wishing to admit it, I have to swim in
    such sessions, because I just can't get to the club enough.
    However, I bring the legacy of club behaviour with me
    inasmuch as I expect other people to behave properly; but
    they don'
    t. If you should have the misfortune to have to swim with
    the public some pointers on who to avoid may help.

    The most obvious category to avoid is women with hairdos.
    They display herd behaviour, and 'swim' four abreast,
    catching up on the week's gossip. The most heinous crime
    you can commit is to dampen their hair or face. I did once
    by accident, and was kicked in the groin in punishment. In
    retaliation I accidentally splashed even harder on my next
    length, only to have a full set of long varnished nails
    slashed down my back. My wife believed my explanation of
    the scars, god bless her.

    Don't be fooled either if they wear a shower cap, it's even
    worse because it shows they mean to stay. They invariably
    swim a stately breast stroke, characterised by a slow leg
    kick which pushes the water down with the top of the feet
    while keeping the toes and heels firmly together - anything
    more would be unladylike. This is of course near useless
    for exercise, and they can't understand why their legs
    continue to look like jodhpurs.

    With or without the shower cap they will regularly
    congregate at the ends of the pool for a proper talk,
    always choosing the bit where you want to perform your
    tumble turns.

    Men can be just as bad in their way. Here there are two
    danger signs. The first is a pair of baggy shorts, the
    second is anyone on the poolside clutching his towel. The
    towel on the poolside is the sporting equivalent of a
    comfort blanket, and is a dead give-away. If you see
    someone in baggy shorts and clutching a towel approaching
    the water, get out; you won't stand and earthly. They will
    thrash violently in the water, oblivious of everyone else
    in the pool, and yet go almost nowhere. It hasn't dawned on
    them that wearing the equivalent of a parachute in the
    water makes about as much sense as going jogging with a
    rickshaw strapped to your backside. If they do make any
    progress it will probably be across the pool, when everyone
    else wants to do lengths. In a fit of public spiritedness I
    once offered advice to one such fellow to swim lengths. He
    then proceeded diagonally. I went on to explain the purpose
    of the stripes on the pool bottom, only to be told that in
    10 years he had never noticed them before. I was not
    surprised to recognise him some days later among a group of
    UFO spotters on the hills above the town.

    More innocent, but equally dangerous is the short sighted
    swimmer. I have to declare the reason for my sympathy is
    that I am very short sighted myself . In the days before I
    found out that contact lenses are perfectly safe under a
    good pair of goggles, I was quite dangerous myself. My
    wife and I used to swim a lot when we were courting, and
    she took the precaution of having a very bright and
    distinctive costume so I could locate her in the great
    fuzzy mass of pink bits, which was all I could see. This
    worked well until one day another girl in an identical
    costume beat her in to the pool. I was only saved from a
    serious charge by my wife's hurried explanation and the
    natural tendency of women to believe each other over
    anything a man might say. God bless her, again. Swimmers
    with poor eyesight can be spotted by the red marks on the
    bridge of their nose, and their tendency to walk in to
    pillars. Please be patient if you find one blundering
    about in the wrong changing room, it's pointless being a
    voyeur without your glasses on anyway.

    The final menace is the pretentious swimmer. They can't be
    spotted in advance, but as soon as they strike out you'll
    see them. I call them pretentious, because their stroke
    looks more like a hand ballet than a means of propulsion.
    Also, they tend to swim with their eyes blissfully shut. On
    front crawl they will bring their arm forward on the
    recovery as if launching a javelin, but pause above the
    water with backward bent fingers, to then elegantly lay the
    hand on the water and watch it disappear like Ophelia .
    What happens under the water is less important to them than
    how they look to the lifeguard. On breast stroke they adopt
    an exaggerated glide, lifting the face fully clear of the
    water each stroke to display a smile of inner nirvana. It
    is the legs which do the harm though. Their breast stroke
    kick is three lanes wide, and always perfectly timed to
    coincide with your painful bits when overtaking them.

    The final feature I would point out is common to all those
    types I have mentioned. It is their rudeness. Whenever I
    try to point out the error of their ways to them you just
    wouldn't believe the things they say. I mean, it 's every
    citizen's duty to offer advice to those who need it, isn't
    it? I have worked this to advantage now though. I have
    offered enough advice to enough people now that, though I
    still can't avoid them, they've started avoiding me.

    Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." -
    Carl (c) 2003

    (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a
    dumb-ass question
    here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bathers at the Daisyfield pool in Blackburn, north-west
    England, have been told they can do only forward strokes
    during busy periods when

    No problem. Just do the upside down forward stroke instead
    of the backstroke.

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  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gleshna said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bathers at the Daisyfield pool in Blackburn, north-west
    England, have been told they can do only forward strokes
    during busy periods when

    No problem. Just do the upside down forward stroke instead
    of the backstroke.

    But flailing my arms in front of me makes me look like an
    upturned beetle!

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    "mckinnon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Swimming pool bans backstroke Date: March 23 2004

    A local council has banned swimmers from doing
    backstroke in its pool, saying it fears they could
    injure themselves if they collide.

    Bathers at the Daisyfield pool in Blackburn, north-west
    England, have been told they can do only forward strokes
    during busy periods when the pool is divided into lanes,
    officials said.

    "This is not about threats of legal action," said Kate
    Hollern, an executive on Blackburn and Darwen Council
    responsible for culture, leisure and sport.

    "We are limiting the times when people can swim
    backstroke to prevent dangerous collisions.

    "We would expect that people would be concerned for
    their own safety as well as that of others and we are
    being proactive in introducing these rules."

    She said the new rules complied with guidelines issued
    by the national Institute of Sport and Recreation
    Management, and were "designed be inclusive to ensure
    that all people can use our facilities in a safe way".

    AP


    They are right. In the many years I have swum in
    public sessions I have concluded that backstroke
    swimmers are a pest.

    Really, dog paddle is the only stroke that should be allowed
    in lap swimming. Over-water recoveries are tragic events
    waiting to happen, as is any kick that ventures wider than
    one's hips.

    - Al

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