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  1. I know this is a topic that has probably been beaten to
    death but I have some questions for those who do. I moved
    from town 3½ years ago to a rural area approximately 5
    miles from where I work. When I lived in town (only 1 mile
    away from work), I biked to work everyday, even riding home
    for lunch.

    When I moved out of town, I thought I had to give up
    bicycling to work as:
    1) there is only 1 road to town from where I live (dead end
    road), and the traffic is moderately heavy on it, and at
    high speeds once out of town.
    2) it was 5 times farther (okay 5 miles is not far, but
    riding home at lunch is out of the question).

    So now, 3½ years later I've gained weight and miss riding.
    Mostly, I miss riding. I've been tossing the idea of riding
    to work out to my wife and she is not crazy about the idea
    (we both used to ride to work) because we know how the
    traffic is.

    I've read a lot of the safety stuff on the net and it
    emphasizes taking the less travelled road. In my case this
    isn't possible.

    My question is:

    What best practices do you recommend for this type of road?
    Can you still use the little flag on the bike - are they
    effective? How about an safety-orange hunter type vest? Also
    note that I work from 6am-3pm, so while there is less
    traffic in the morning, it is usually dark.

    Thanks for any ideas, I'd really like to do this. Duke Take
    out Don'tSpamMePlease in direct replies

    --
    Everything in moderation.
    Except excess.

  2. Do what I do. I don't bike to work everyday. 2 or 3 times a
    week. I also travel a busy road and must deal with traffic.
    I ride 4.5 miles to work. I wear clothes that I would
    normally wear for a 30 or 40 mile ride and change once I get
    to work. I leave clothes at the office and change when I get
    there. In the summer it is hot even at 7:00 am so I don't
    ride too hard going to work. It is sometimes dark when I
    ride to or home from work. I have a clip on red led light
    for my rear and a handlebar mounted light on the front. I
    don't ride home for lunch because that would just not work.
    On Mondays we always have a lunch meeting. So I try to ride
    that day. On Friday's we leave at noon so I also try to ride
    that day. On Tuesday and Thursday I pick my son up from
    preschool on my lumberjack so riding is out those days. If
    we have a vendor that wants to do a lunch'n'learn on
    Wednesday, I will ride on that day as well.

    Just be safe and watch out for those taxis that you pass
    illegally 🙂

    "Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I know this is a topic that has probably been beaten to
    death but I have some questions for those who do. I moved
    from town 3½ years ago to a rural area approximately 5
    miles from where I work. When I lived in town (only 1
    mile away from work), I biked to work everyday, even
    riding home


    for

    Quoted message said:

    lunch.

    When I moved out of town, I thought I had to give up
    bicycling to work as:
    1) there is only 1 road to town from where I live (dead
    end road), and the traffic is moderately heavy on it,
    and at high speeds once out of town.
    2) it was 5 times farther (okay 5 miles is not far, but
    riding home at


    lunch

    Quoted message said:

    is out of the question).

    So now, 3½ years later I've gained weight and miss riding.
    Mostly, I miss riding. I've been tossing the idea of
    riding to work out to my wife and


    she

    Quoted message said:

    is not crazy about the idea (we both used to ride to work)
    because we know how the traffic is.

    I've read a lot of the safety stuff on the net and it
    emphasizes taking


    the

    Quoted message said:

    less travelled road. In my case this isn't possible.

    My question is:

    What best practices do you recommend for this type of
    road? Can you


    still

    Quoted message said:

    use the little flag on the bike - are they effective? How
    about an safety-orange hunter type vest? Also note that I
    work from 6am-3pm, so while there is less traffic in the
    morning, it is usually dark.

    Thanks for any ideas, I'd really like to do this. Duke
    Take out Don'tSpamMePlease in direct replies

    --
    Everything in moderation. Except excess.

  3. Duke said:

    What best practices do you recommend for this type of
    road? Can you still use the little flag on the bike - are
    they effective? How about an safety-orange hunter type
    vest? Also note that I work from 6am-3pm, so while there
    is less traffic in the morning, it is usually dark.

    I'm not a big believer in the flags -- they are kind of a
    hassle to ride with. The probably do improve your
    visibility, so that's a plus.

    I used to commute 52 miles/day (round-trip) 2-3 times a
    week in good weather, now I'm reduced to a 12 mile/day
    commute to the ferry dock because my job location changed.
    My 52 mile commute had every kind of traffic - country road
    with the occasional 85mph motorist, and packed urban with
    average car speeds at 15-20 mph. My current commute is
    straight through the downtown of a small city with a lot of
    outbound commute traffic.

    Wearing something easily visible (like the vest) sounds like
    a good idea. It probably would not hurt to put a blinkie or
    two on the back and front of your bike either.

    I think the most important thing is to focus on riding
    safely. To me that means riding predictably, without sudden
    excursions left or right. Signal your changes. When you come
    to a traffic situation, ask yourself what you would do if
    you were in a car, and place your bike appropriately -- for
    instance, I think passing a line of cars on the right is not
    very safe -- if I were in a car, it would be harder to see a
    cyclist coming up on my right, so I either wait for the line
    to move, or pass on the left, depending on the situation.
    Don't make left turns from the right lane (get into the left
    turn lane). Don't block cars trying to right turn on red if
    you can help it. Don't switch from sidewalk to street and
    back - the cars won't be able to figure out what you're up
    to. Pay attention to what's going on around you -- don't be
    the only one left moving when everyone else has pulled over
    for an ambulance. If you run a red light, be prepared to
    have a previously invisible Hummer take you to your reward.

    You didn't give your location (and there's no reason to
    reveal personal information in this newsgroup if you don't
    want to), but you should become familiar with the traffic
    laws pertaining to bicycles in your area. Most places in the
    US, they boil down to "operate your bicycle as a vehicle in
    traffic". Some locations have restrictions, such as bike
    lanes (bikes must stay in the bike lane, mostly) or blue
    zones for busy intersections, or bridges where bicycles are
    prohibited.

    Try riding your route at a less busy time than rush hour
    once or twice, to become familiar with it and to be ready
    for the normal parts of the ride - stop signs, lights,
    parked cars, etc. You can't change your route, but maybe you
    can change the time you travel if you're not comfortable
    with traffic at 6am or 3pm. Being a lazy slug, I am thinking
    of changing your work schedule to something in the 10am-7pm
    range, you, on the other hand, might want to consider
    something earlier than 6am as a start time if there's any
    flex in your schedule.

    My bet is, that once you've done the 5mi commute once or
    twice, you won't want to go back. With enough ride time, you
    might get fast enough to go home for lunch.

  4. Two things I've learned from my commutes:

    1. A blinking red taillight, headlight (it doesn't have to
    be a 40-watt blinder) and reflective tape make you MUCH
    safer, especially in twilight when visibility sucks and
    driver haven't turned on their lights yet. The reflective
    tape's optional, but I can really tell the difference by
    how much space drivers give me, and the bike is easier to
    see to the side.

    2. Tire liners are vital if you are forced to the debris-
    laden shoulder for most of your trip.

    "Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I know this is a topic that has probably been beaten to
    death but I have some questions for those who do. I moved
    from town 3½ years ago to a rural area approximately 5
    miles from where I work. When I lived in town (only 1
    mile away from work), I biked to work everyday, even
    riding home


    for

    Quoted message said:

    lunch.

    When I moved out of town, I thought I had to give up
    bicycling to work as:
    1) there is only 1 road to town from where I live (dead
    end road), and the traffic is moderately heavy on it,
    and at high speeds once out of town.
    2) it was 5 times farther (okay 5 miles is not far, but
    riding home at


    lunch

    Quoted message said:

    is out of the question).

    So now, 3½ years later I've gained weight and miss riding.
    Mostly, I miss riding. I've been tossing the idea of
    riding to work out to my wife and


    she

    Quoted message said:

    is not crazy about the idea (we both used to ride to work)
    because we know how the traffic is.

    I've read a lot of the safety stuff on the net and it
    emphasizes taking


    the

    Quoted message said:

    less travelled road. In my case this isn't possible.

    My question is:

    What best practices do you recommend for this type of
    road? Can you


    still

    Quoted message said:

    use the little flag on the bike - are they effective? How
    about an safety-orange hunter type vest? Also note that I
    work from 6am-3pm, so while there is less traffic in the
    morning, it is usually dark.

    Thanks for any ideas, I'd really like to do this. Duke
    Take out Don'tSpamMePlease in direct replies

    --
    Everything in moderation. Except excess.

  5. For twenty years the bicycle was my ONLY form of
    transportation. The only one I owned, anyway.

    I rode to and from work, approximately 7 miles each way,
    five days a week, 52 weeks a year, through rain, and sleet,
    etc.etc.etc. I had a trailer which I used for shopping. I
    even carried the fifty pounds of feed for the animals in it,
    pulled behind my trusty steed. And this was in "El Lay".

    Now, I live where the air is cleaner, motorists are nicer
    and the ride to work is actually scenic. But it's too far!
    So I got an economical truck. I still ride, just not all the
    way. I drive the first 9 miles, ride the last 7. But not
    when it's raining.

    - - "May you have the wind at your back. And a really low
    gear for the hills!"

    Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    Chris'Z Corner geocities.comczcorner

  6. Duke said:

    My question is:

    What best practices do you recommend for this type
    of road?

    I'd like a little more information. What's the road's lane
    width? What's the shoulder like? What's the speed limit? How
    smooth or rough or gravelly is the surface? How are the
    grades, and how sharp are the curves.

    If it's wide enough to safely share lanes, I wouldn't worry
    at all. If it's too narrow to share (due to narrow lanes,
    lots of potholes, gravel, or whatever) it's more
    complicated. If sight lines are good, light up and
    reflectorize to satisfy yourself (check it out from a car to
    see what your bike looks like) and perhaps add a rear view
    mirror to give yourself confidence.

    But again, more detail would yield better answers.

    Quoted message said:

    Can you still use the little flag on the bike - are they
    effective?

    I suppose you could. I haven't seen one in use for ages.
    There are shorter, more convenient versions I've seen
    advertised, that hang horizontally to the left, to assure
    clearance.

    Quoted message said:

    How about an safety-orange hunter type vest? Also note
    that I work


    from 6am-3pm, so

    Quoted message said:

    while there is less traffic in the morning, it is
    usually dark.

    I'd trust lights and reflectors much more than a vest in the
    dark - but if it makes you feel better, use it.

    --
    -------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, omit what's
    between "at" and "cc"]

  7. frkrygow' 'frkrygow said:

    I'd trust lights and reflectors much more than a vest in
    the dark - but if it makes you feel better, use it.

    Agreed. Use the usual lights and reflectors first. However,
    safety vests with reflective tape on them, like highway
    workers and firemen wear, can be very effective.

    Matt O.

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    Matt O'Toole said:


    frkrygow' 'frkrygow said:

    I'd trust lights and reflectors much more than a vest in
    the dark - but if it makes you feel better, use it.

    Agreed. Use the usual lights and reflectors first.
    However, safety vests with reflective tape on them, like
    highway workers and firemen wear, can be very effective.

    Matt O.

  9. Erik Freitag said:

    On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:06:05 -0600, Duke wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    I think the most important thing is to focus on riding
    safely. To me that means riding predictably, without
    sudden excursions left or right. Signal your changes.
    When you come to a traffic situation, ask yourself what
    you would do if you were in a car, and place your bike
    appropriately -- for instance, I think passing a line of
    cars on the right is not very safe -- if I were in a car,
    it would be harder to see a cyclist coming up on my
    right, so I either wait for the line to move, or pass on
    the left, depending on the situation. Don't make left
    turns from the right lane (get into the left turn lane).
    Don't block cars trying to right turn on red if you can
    help it. Don't switch from sidewalk to street and back -
    the cars won't be able to figure out what you're up to.
    Pay attention to what's going on around you -- don't be
    the only one left moving when everyone else has pulled
    over for an ambulance. If you run a red light, be
    prepared to have a previously invisible Hummer take you
    to your reward.

    I am not sure about making a left turn from the right lane.
    A perfectly safe way is to stay in the right lane, ride
    across the intersection to the right lane of the cross road,
    then stop and wait for green or clear road, then on your
    way! No need to wobble across traffic while changing lanes
    -- This is the Swanston Street turn, so named because it is
    the usual way of making right turns in the middle of
    Melbourne, Australia (NB drive on the left) Peter

    --
    This transmission is certified free of viruses as no
    Microsoft products were used in its preparation or
    propagation.

  10. Quoted message said:

    I'd like a little more information. What's the road's lane
    width? What's the shoulder like? What's the speed limit?
    How smooth or rough or gravelly is the surface? How are
    the grades, and how sharp are the curves. But again, more
    detail would yield better answers.

    I used to run on this road every other day so I'm familiar
    with a view of it other than the driver's seat. The lane
    width is no more than 10'. The shoulder varies from 1'-3'
    grass and gravel, but falls off steeply into drainage
    ditches in some areas. The speed limit is 40, but I get
    passed daily in my truck going 45. Cars go more like 50 and
    55 on the straightaways. It's a mixture of gentle hills and
    long sweeping curves with several 1/2-1 mile long
    straightaways. The surface is asphalt, not the dark black
    driveway kind, but the white sort of rough kind...it sounds
    loud when you hear cars on it....there are no potholes or
    major cracks.

    The road itself is one the local bike club rides on
    regularly. At least I see a crowd of them every Saturday
    riding out to the lake past my house. But that is in the
    daytime and they all have on the neon clothes....You can see
    the road here, it's the blue road with the green segment
    heading NW between the captions marked "Clear Creek trail"
    and "Abbeville Loop".

    oxfordbikeclub.orgroad routes.htm

    I was gung-ho about doing it last night until my wife sort
    of laughed at the idea...too far and too dark she said. She
    told me I'd have to get up at 3am to get to work at 6. I
    measured it this morning from driveway to work parking
    lot...7.0 miles exactly. Now I wonder if it is too far. So I
    chickened out this morning after buying a headlight and
    flashing rear reflector yesterday, but am now disappointed
    in myself for not trying.

    Duke
    --
    Cheers!

  11. Quoted message said:

    I was gung-ho about doing it last night until my wife sort
    of laughed at


    the

    Quoted message said:

    idea...too far and too dark she said. She told me I'd have
    to get up at


    3am

    Quoted message said:

    to get to work at 6. I measured it this morning from
    driveway to work parking lot...7.0 miles exactly. Now I
    wonder if it is too far. So I chickened out this
    morning after buying a headlight and flashing rear
    reflector yesterday, but am now disappointed in myself
    for not trying.

    Do it one day this weekend. See how it feels to you after
    7.0 miles. A test run is never a bad idea. Before I started
    riding to work again I made a test run. My bosses wouldn't
    like it if I got to work late.

    I get up a little earlier on the days I ride. I allow time
    to cool down and get changed once I get to work.

  12. "Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was gung-ho about doing it last night until my wife sort
    of laughed at


    the

    Quoted message said:

    idea...too far and too dark she said. She told me I'd have
    to get up at


    3am

    Quoted message said:

    to get to work at 6. I measured it this morning from
    driveway to work parking lot...7.0 miles exactly. Now I
    wonder if it is too far. So I

    3am? I guess your wife is prone to serious exaggeration. You
    could easily **walk** there in less than 2½ hours; even
    riding slowly it would probably be under an hour including
    clean up/changing time.

    Best of luck.

  13. Duke said:

    I was gung-ho about doing it last night until my wife sort
    of laughed at the idea...too far and too dark she said. She
    told me I'd have to get up at 3am to get to work at 6. I
    measured it this morning from driveway to work parking
    lot...7.0 miles exactly. Now I wonder if it is too far. So
    I chickened out this morning after buying a headlight and
    flashing rear reflector yesterday, but am now disappointed
    in myself for not trying.

    7 miles is not very far ? My commute is 7.5 miles each way,
    at this time of year I usually do it in 28-30 minutes. This
    is on a cheap FS MTB with studded tires (Nokian Extreme
    296), platform pedals, ordinary clothes and mostly using
    bike/multiuse paths though. It would probably go a lot
    faster on the road and using a road bike, bike clothes and
    clipless pedals. But then I wouldn't be able to take the fun
    route home when I have time 🙂

    I'll probably get it down to about 25 minutes in the summer.
    I have also used nearly 45 minutes in the winter, so it
    varies by quite a lot depending on conditions.

    I usually get up 1,5 hours before I have to be at work, but
    I don't have to be there before 8.

  14. Matthew said:

    3am? I guess your wife is prone to serious exaggeration.
    You could easily **walk** there in less than 2½ hours; even
    riding slowly it would probably be under an hour including
    clean up/changing time.

    That's when he had to get up. For all we know, he may be
    chopping wood for the fireplace in the morning. Or gets the
    New York Times or the Washington Post and feels the need to
    read the whole thing before going to work.

    I agree - it would be hard to make a 7 mile ride more
    than an hour endeavor. The slower ride would require the
    least clean up time, so it would probably balance out
    around 45 minutes.

    Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
    two wheels...

  15. "Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    My question is:

    What best practices do you recommend for this type of
    road? Can you still use the little flag on the bike - are
    they effective? How about an safety-orange hunter type
    vest? Also note that I work from 6am-3pm, so while there
    is less traffic in the morning, it is usually dark.

    Thanks for any ideas, I'd really like to do this. Duke

    Hi Duke, The good news is you will be travelling when
    traffic is light - however this can be bad because it allows
    those that are on the road to speed excessively. Questions!
    1. Have you seen any other cyclists on the road while
    driving? If so you can get a good idea for yourself of
    what range they are visible at. I'm assuming not, so
    2. Is it a 2-lane road? How wide is the road? If the lane is
    wide enough to share so that you'll have lots of room if
    someone zooms by at 80 mph, no problem. I've ridden on
    2-lane country roads where even when there is room to
    share, many cars after seeing me would move a few feet
    over the centre line. Usually higher speed roads are
    wider by design, otherwise it wouldn't be easy to go so
    fast on them when traffic levels are moderately high.
    3. Is the road reasonably straight/flat or does it have
    hills and blind curves? If so you'll have to beware that
    some drivers may not see you in time to make a safe pass
    when they are speeding (yes its their responsibility to
    always do so but you want to be alive as well as right!)
    4. Is there a rideable shoulder on the road? Not that you
    have to ride it especially if its only marginally usable
    - but if someone is coming up on you without giving you
    room it always gives you room to move over.

    I would
    . get a helmet or bar end mounted rearview mirror so you
    are aware who is coming up behind you and be able to
    move further right if they don't appear to be moving
    left to pass you
    . be plenty visible especially in the dark, with reflective
    clothing, one or two rear taillights (I use one on my
    helmet and one on the bike) and a decent headlight (you
    don't want someone that doesn't see you oncoming turn in
    front of you)
    . possible an air horn to warn people about to be stupid on
    the road to get out of your way.
    . be assertive about the space you need within the
    recognition that reaction times will be slow at the speeds
    the vehicles are travelling. You don't want to ride as far
    right as possible because if someone comes up and appears
    to be squeezing you for room, you'll just be squeezed off
    the road instead of having somewhere to go

    Try it out for the first time sometime on say a Sunday
    morning with lighter traffic to see how the ride is. Often
    times a particular road looks much scarier with traffic than
    it is in actuality when on the bike. And some roads are just
    not very fun on a bike especially if the local drivers are
    ignorant of bicycles. You could also have your wife drive
    behind you on your test drive in the dark to see how visible
    you are from a distance on that road, and if she thinks the
    flag helps spot you better 🙂

  16. "Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The road itself is one the local bike club rides on
    regularly. At least I see a crowd of them every Saturday
    riding out to the lake past my house. But that is in the
    daytime and they all have on the neon clothes....You can
    see the road here, it's the blue road with the green
    segment heading NW between the captions marked "Clear
    Creek trail" and "Abbeville Loop".

    oxfordbikeclub.orgroad routes.htm

    How about going riding with one of the local bike rides on a
    weekend, going with a group might help you with confidence
    riding on that road later on your own. Assuming they are
    friendly to newcomers and aren't just don't want to drop
    anyone that can't keep up their pace.

    The only difference between the daytime and the dark is you
    need to BE SEEN and to SEE the obstacles on the roadway,
    which is nothing that good lights can't fix. In fact dark is
    easier to be seen than daylight because if you are well lit
    you have good contrast to the ambient surroundings.

    Quoted message said:

    I was gung-ho about doing it last night until my wife sort
    of laughed at the idea...too far and too dark she said.
    She told me I'd have to get up at 3am to get to work at 6.
    I measured it this morning from driveway to work parking
    lot...7.0 miles exactly. Now I wonder if it is too far. So
    I chickened out this morning after buying a headlight and
    flashing rear reflector yesterday, but am now disappointed
    in myself for not trying.

    Sounds like your wife doesn't have a good idea of how fast
    a bicycle travels. If you average 15 mph (and you might go
    slower or faster) its still under half an hour. Add in
    some change time, traffic light slowdowns, still not that
    long. Even walking would take less than 3 hours. If you
    haven't exercised in a long time, half an hour of riding
    might be hard on you for the first few rides (and it may
    take 45 to go at a very relaxed pace), but you'll never
    know unless you try!

    Might be good to try the first time on a weekend when you
    don't have to worry about being late for work to work out
    the logistics of it. As far as your headlight goes, did you
    get one that will well illuminate the road? I have an
    inexpensive LED headlight and it works quite well for being
    seen, but not so well for seeing the road. I find where I
    ride is well enough lit by streetlights that I don't need a
    light that lights the road better, but when I find myself on
    a more suburban/dark route later on I would much prefer a
    different light. You'll want to make sure your light allows
    you to see nails and other road debris you'll probably not
    want to be riding over.

    Speaking of road debris, since your trip is longer than your
    previous commute making walking if you got a flat
    impractical, you'll likely want to carry a spare tube, some
    tire levers and a small pump.

  17. "Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    frkrygow' 'frkrygow said:

    I'd trust lights and reflectors much more than a vest in
    the dark - but if it makes you feel better, use it.

    Agreed. Use the usual lights and reflectors first.
    However, safety vests


    with

    Quoted message said:

    reflective tape on them, like highway workers and firemen
    wear, can be


    very

    Quoted message said:

    effective.

    I have one of those cheapo reflective vests, not like
    highway workers and firefighters wear, but the mesh kind
    they sell to joggers and whatnot. I wear it throughout the
    dark/wet months of the year. You can see it on me, just off
    of the ferry for the Chilly Hilly, right here:
    bookcrossing.comCpetersky. I think
    these things are great. The big reflective strip gives me a
    great deal of visibility, and the screaming orange offers
    contrast to the blue of the rain jacket I usually wear
    underneath.

    I also have reflectors on the spokes. The bike shop
    puts those on and replaces them when they fall off for
    free. Further, my helmet is festooned with bright
    reflective stickers.

    My feeling is that batteries can (and do) fail, but bright
    colors and reflective materials last and last. Yes, it's
    nice to have lights, but it's even nicer to have simple,
    cheap, reflective stuff to wear and have aboard.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Please replace earthlink for mouse-potato and .net for .com
    Home of the meditative cyclist:
    home.earthlink.netWelcome.htm

  18. Claire Petersky said:

    My feeling is that batteries can (and do) fail,

    That's why I like generators! ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    ...but bright colors and reflective materials last
    and last.

    Yep. I like reflectors too.

    --
    -------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, omit what's
    between "at" and "cc"]

  19. Duke said:

    The lane width is no more than 10'. The shoulder varies
    from 1'-3' grass and gravel, but falls off steeply into
    drainage ditches in some areas. The speed limit is 40,
    but I get passed daily in my truck going 45. Cars go more
    like 50 and 55 on the straightaways. It's a mixture of
    gentle hills and long sweeping curves with several 1/2-1
    mile long straightaways. The surface is asphalt, not the
    dark black driveway kind, but the white sort of rough
    kind...it sounds loud when you hear cars on it....there
    are no potholes or major cracks.

    The road itself is one the local bike club rides on
    regularly. At least I see a crowd of them every Saturday
    riding out to the lake past my house. But that is in the
    daytime and they all have on the neon clothes....You can
    see the road here, it's the blue road with the green
    segment heading NW between the captions marked "Clear
    Creek trail" and "Abbeville Loop".

    oxfordbikeclub.orgroad routes.htm

    From the map, that road looks like it must have a low
    traffic count. It is, as you say, essentially a dead end.

    Ten foot lanes need to be taken by the cyclist. As long as
    you're visible (as previously described) this should be no
    problem. On a road with little traffic, motorists will
    generally suffer little or no delay
    - they get to pass immediately.

    I'd light up and do it.

    Quoted message said:


    I was gung-ho about doing it last night until my wife sort
    of laughed at the idea...too far and too dark she said.
    She told me I'd have to get up at 3am to get to work at 6.
    I measured it this morning from driveway to work parking
    lot...7.0 miles exactly.

    My 7 mile route never takes me more than 30 minutes, and it
    involves some pretty serious climbing.

    Just do it.

    --
    -------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, omit what's
    between "at" and "cc"]

  20. Quoted message said:

    My apologies for being provincial.

    I think I caught your recent marriage announcement.

    Congratulations.

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