back again

Forget the fast pace, cut back to 10mpm and do LSD if you want to run a
marathon (which you are completely and totally unprepared for).

yes yes yes...

sure I'm unpreparred right now.. but drugs is never the answer. And
you should know that LSD doesn't really help you get better times (it
just makes you feel better)..

OK I'm kiddin..

I was actually looking for advice on how to...
the "no you can't", "you never make it", "you're stupuid trying that"
remarks, I can do that myself..

As far as I can see I still got 30 weeks left adding 1 km per week is
enough.. and OK let's forget about the pace..4 hours will be fine ;-)
It's setting new goals, the effort, the hope and the pleasure that
counts..

keep you posted..

Niels

and ps. I am totally against drugs!

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Forget the fast pace, cut back to 10mpm and do LSD if you want to run a
marathon (which you are completely and totally unprepared for).

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but drugs is never the answer.

Oh, yes they are.... <puff puff>

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the "no you can't", "you never make it", "you're stupuid trying that"
remarks, I can do that myself..

Maybe so, but I'm a professional, I can do it much more efficently.

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s far as I can see I still got 30 weeks left adding 1 km per week is
enough.. and OK let's forget about the pace..4 hours will be fine ;-)

Ok, now you're being reasonable.

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It's setting new goals, the effort, the hope and the pleasure that
counts..

Write back a few hours after the race...

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and ps. I am totally against drugs!

Oh me too! <lights one up> <puff puff>

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In '95 I did a 10km in less then 33 minutes and a 21,1 km in 1'20.

Very strange. I dream of your 10k time and will likely never
approach it, but can run a 1:20 half marathon for breakfast.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

Luckily it's not going to be my first marathon...I know about the
pleasure 'just' after... (or better the day after walking down the
stairs)
I run a marathon in '92 in 3:17 and discovered that there is a
diference after 35 km. In my training at that time I did a 35 km
once...

I made a schedule of 2 pryamids (basic,power,speed) both pyramids
lasting about 15 weeks. I planned 4 long runs of 30, 32,35 and 30 km
in feb and march. every 2 weeks one long run.

My first goal is getting up to 10 km with a good feeling.
After that it is slowly increasing milage up to 20 (14 weeks from
now).

But how about some advice/experience?
Did you ever started again? how did that go?

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but drugs is never the answer.

Oh, yes they are.... <puff puff>

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the "no you can't", "you never make it", "you're stupuid trying that"
remarks, I can do that myself..

Maybe so, but I'm a professional, I can do it much more efficently.

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s far as I can see I still got 30 weeks left adding 1 km per week is
enough.. and OK let's forget about the pace..4 hours will be fine ;-)

Ok, now you're being reasonable.

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It's setting new goals, the effort, the hope and the pleasure that
counts..

Write back a few hours after the race...

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and ps. I am totally against drugs!

Oh me too! <lights one up> <puff puff>

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In '95 I did a 10km in less then 33 minutes and a 21,1 km in 1'20.

Very strange. I dream of your 10k time and will likely never
approach it, but can run a 1:20 half marathon for breakfast.

Not really .... I started focussing on shorter distances and didn't
run a half a marathon for the last year or so.

Although my 10k time was 18 km/hour and my 21.1 km speed was 15.6
km/hour
You really think the difference is that big?

What is your 10 km time? you got me curious now!

r

Niels

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In '95 I did a 10km in less then 33 minutes and a 21,1 km in 1'20.

Very strange. I dream of your 10k time and will likely never
approach it, but can run a 1:20 half marathon for breakfast.

Not really .... I started focussing on shorter distances and didn't
run a half a marathon for the last year or so.

I see... but still, sub-33 is fantastic, and off that ability alone
you should be able to run a 1:20 easily without training for it.
It's not like we are talking about the mile and the marathon
here.

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Although my 10k time was 18 km/hour and my 21.1 km speed was 15.6
km/hour
You really think the difference is that big?

Yes, and hard to believe, although I do believe you!

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What is your 10 km time? you got me curious now!

10km - 35:19. My half marathon time is comparatively
a little slow at 1:19:03. Your 10k time suggests a half
marathon ability of about 1:12:30 or thereabouts.That's
about my 5k race pace (low 17's)

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

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10km - 35:19. My half marathon time is comparatively
a little slow at 1:19:03.

I should have mentioned my half marathon included a
long winding hill of close to a km in length, which makes
the difference up in my comparative 'slowness'. I imagine
I could run a flat HM in about 1:18:10 - 1:18:30 or so.

Still, I have not, and so I can't say I have yet! I'm not one
of those people who "adjust" their PR's based on heat or
hills. ;-) I look at the number when I cross the line, and I
stick with that.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

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10km - 35:19. My half marathon time is comparatively
a little slow at 1:19:03.

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Still, I have not, and so I can't say I have yet! I'm not one
of those people who "adjust" their PR's based on heat or
hills. ;-) I look at the number when I cross the line, and I
stick with that.

cheers,

OK you got me.. my 1/2 was in March '94 cold and pretty windy (rural
area in Leeuwarden) while my best 10 km was during a triathlon 1,5
year later (Liessel)in 23 degrees Celcius, sun shine and no wind..I
finished 2nd that race (of 150) I had a big drive since I was ahead of
all local and non local favorites.. ;-) and who knows the distance
could be off a few hundred meters.Still I had my best run ever that
day...

But I just mentioned the times to indicate I was a decent runner back
then (last century) and am just restarting right now. I don't think I
will ever get close to that... but when I'm running I still feel the
thrill every now and then (not so much now as I think of it..)

I'll see where it will take me...

cheers.
Niels

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Although my 10k time was 18 km/hour and my 21.1 km speed was 15.6
km/hour
You really think the difference is that big?

One of those "rule of thumb" approximation thingies (supposing training
isn't too specialised towards one of the distances):
10k at "x" km/h
21k at x-1 km/h
42k at x-2 km/h

My PBs on FFA/IAAF certified routes, all set in the same season, are
10k 0:36:40 16.4km/h
21k 1:22:00 15.4km/h
42k 2:55:00 14.5km/h

Given 33:00 for 10km, 1:14:00 for 21k, at the same level of training and
in the right conditions, wouldn't be an unreasonable guess.

Note: I have no idea of the range performance levels which the rule of
thumb is supposed to hold for, or even if it isn't just a trick of the
light :-)

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(Niels) said:

Although my 10k time was 18 km/hour and my 21.1 km speed was 15.6
km/hour
You really think the difference is that big?

One of those "rule of thumb" approximation thingies (supposing training
isn't too specialised towards one of the distances):
10k at "x" km/h
21k at x-1 km/h
42k at x-2 km/h

My PBs on FFA/IAAF certified routes, all set in the same season, are
10k 0:36:40 16.4km/h
21k 1:22:00 15.4km/h
42k 2:55:00 14.5km/h

Given 33:00 for 10km, 1:14:00 for 21k, at the same level of training and
in the right conditions, wouldn't be an unreasonable guess.

Note: I have no idea of the range performance levels which the rule of
thumb is supposed to hold for, or even if it isn't just a trick of the
light :-)

funny talking about these times, while I was so happy yesterday
running my 7 km course with only 1 break (2 intervals as my brother
should say) in 35,5 minutes... It seems like another life.

but the progress is still huge (beating 40 seconds of my previous
training ;-)
who knows that 1:14.. hahaha.. (on the 10 Miles maybe..)

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(Niels) said:

Although my 10k time was 18 km/hour and my 21.1 km speed was 15.6
km/hour
You really think the difference is that big?

One of those "rule of thumb" approximation thingies (supposing training
isn't too specialised towards one of the distances):
10k at "x" km/h
21k at x-1 km/h
42k at x-2 km/h

My PBs on FFA/IAAF certified routes, all set in the same season, are
10k 0:36:40 16.4km/h
21k 1:22:00 15.4km/h
42k 2:55:00 14.5km/h

Given 33:00 for 10km, 1:14:00 for 21k, at the same level of training and
in the right conditions, wouldn't be an unreasonable guess.

Note: I have no idea of the range performance levels which the rule of
thumb is supposed to hold for, or even if it isn't just a trick of the
light :-)

funny talking about these times, while I was so happy yesterday
running my 7 km course with only 1 break (2 intervals as my brother
should say) in 35,5 minutes... It seems like another life.

but the progress is still huge (beating 40 seconds of my previous
training ;-)
who knows that 1:14.. hahaha.. (on the 10 Miles maybe..)

It's funny - when you are not in the same shape, so many things
change. I took over 3 months off last summer and when I came
back I did an "easy" 10k. I found the old easy speed to not be
all that unexpectedly hard to deal with (it was harder, of course),
but my hydration tolerance and needs had changed a lot. It was
a hot day and I had to stop because I felt quite dehydrated, much
more than I would have in the same situation and weather when I
was fit.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

Despite the odds, I ran my first 10k (training) yesterday in a nice 48
minutes.
It felt tremendous and I had to hold down my pace cause I felt like I
was flying. It's been only 2 1/2 weeks since I started again...but
man! does it feel goo or what? I just gotta take a rest today.. take
care of my knees..

r

Niels

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Despite the odds, I ran my first 10k (training) yesterday in a nice 48
minutes.

Congarts! You just received this weeks "Turtle Racer award". Sorry, this weeks
"Snail Racer award" has already been awarded.

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Despite the odds, I ran my first 10k (training) yesterday in a nice 48
minutes.

Congarts! You just received this weeks "Turtle Racer award". Sorry, this weeks
"Snail Racer award" has already been awarded.

hahaha, I laugh at yout pittyfull remarks Bill-who stands alone in the
group-Rodgerz. Your snake tongue and turtle brain deserve no award..

Niels.

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hahaha, I laugh at yout pittyfull remarks Bill-who stands alone in the
group-Rodgerz. Your snake tongue and turtle brain deserve no award..

Wuzza matta, can't take a joke? Or are you S-L-O-W on the uptake? LOLOL