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  1. OK, I have 150 miles on my new Corsa and here are my initial riding
    impessions. I have been riding an Optima Baron, almost exclusively,
    for the last 3 years so I will be making some comparisons of the two
    bikes.

    The M5 seat of the Corsa is smaller than the Optima seat on my Baron.
    It is about 2 inches shorter in length and 1 inch narrower. The 2" of
    reduced length is between the 2 bends of the seat. Overall, the seat
    fits me pretty well and is not uncomfortable, although right now I
    would say that the Optima seat is a bit more comfortable for me, but
    that is likely because I am accustomed to it. With more miles on the
    Corsa, I'm sure I'll become more accustomed to it's seat and it will
    feel perfectly comfortable. I have no problem with neck fatigue, or
    pain, but then I didn't on the Optima seat either.

    My Corsa is the large frame and with the seat stays fully reclined,
    the seat clamp is just about right in the middle of the adjustment
    range. The seat angle is slightly more than the seat on my Baron,
    which is fully reclined, but not by much. When the handlebars are set
    for my arms fully extended, the riser angle is almost perfectly in
    line with the head tube. Even with the height adjustment of the stem
    fully lowered, the handlebars are still a few inches higher than I
    need. The superman position is certainly different than what I am
    used to but it is not uncomfortable.

    The Corsa is a fast and efficient bike. On a flat, smooth road, my
    Baron is faster for the same percieved effort, but not by much. Into
    a stiff wind, the Baron also seems to be a bit easier to maintain
    speed, but again , not by much. It is really difficult to quantify
    any differences, because I only have about 200 road miles this year.
    Although the spinning work I have done, at the local YMCA, have my
    heart and lungs in excellent shape, my legs still need some more road
    miles and are getting stronger every ride.

    The Corsa is definitely quicker, when accelerating from a stop, and
    also seems to be a better climber, on the hills in my area. This is
    no doubt due to it's lighter weight. I haven't weighed either bike
    but my just hefting them, the Corsa is noticably lighter. Handling is
    excellent. It is quicker responding than my Baron but is predictable
    and smooth. I am still getting used to it but I am pretty steady on
    it right now. Starting is a bit trickier, so far, but again, I have
    had no real problems. The stiffness of the Corsa and overall ride
    quality, seem to be about the same as my Baron.

    Bottom line, so far, with my limited miles, is that the Corsa is a
    very comfortable ride and is certainly capable of being ridden at a
    fast pace, by those capable of riding it so. It might be slightly
    less efficient on flat, smooth rural roads but for all long rides, in
    varied terrain, it is probably capable of being ridden just as fast as
    my Baron. For hillier rides, it might even be faster, for me.

    I did a short mile ride last Friday evening, on mostly rural roads,
    with light winds, but about 60 percent of the ride was on a glacial
    moraine, with rolling, to slightly hiily roads. Even after going
    through my home town and riding the streets for a couple of miles I
    ended up doing 29.5 miles in 1:32. I did not push myself really hard
    and only had about 100 road miles for the year. It appears that I
    might not be getting many road miles on my Baron for awhile and will
    be riding the Corsa.

    Harry Jiles

  2. That pretty much mirrors my impressions. I recently bought a used
    Corsa.

    Two items to consider:

    1) Since you have the bars in line with the head tube, you can get rid
    of the GlideFlex unit. It weighs about a half a pound and isn't doing
    anything for you. This will also lower the bars.

    2) You can cut the riser to lower the bars. While irreversible, there
    are no ill effects from doing this.

    Note that if you do get rid of the GlideFlex, you have no way of
    properly tightening the headset. Bacchetta has come up with a widget
    to solve this problem, available Real Soon Now. It's also possible to
    get things tight enough without the widget if you lean on the stem
    hard enough, then tighten the collar. This is what I've done and it's
    just fine.

  3. You can also buy a shorter riser directly from Bacchetta.

    "Andrew Douglas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That pretty much mirrors my impressions. I recently bought a used
    Corsa.

    Two items to consider:

    1) Since you have the bars in line with the head tube, you can get rid
    of the GlideFlex unit. It weighs about a half a pound and isn't doing
    anything for you. This will also lower the bars.

    2) You can cut the riser to lower the bars. While irreversible, there
    are no ill effects from doing this.

    Note that if you do get rid of the GlideFlex, you have no way of
    properly tightening the headset. Bacchetta has come up with a widget
    to solve this problem, available Real Soon Now. It's also possible to
    get things tight enough without the widget if you lean on the stem
    hard enough, then tighten the collar. This is what I've done and it's
    just fine.

  4. Harry,
    Thanks for the report. You will most likely need to cut your riser down. I
    have cut as much as 3" off and re-drilled and slotted them. For the very
    reclined rider like you its pretty normal to hack off atleast 2". There is a
    picture of the very recline position of AL K.'s Corsa on the Bacchetta Yahoo
    Group. As I remember we cut over 2" off his riser.

    Jude
    Wheel Doctor Cycle & Sport Inc.
    800-586-6645

    harryo <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, I have 150 miles on my new Corsa and here are my initial riding
    impessions. I have been riding an Optima Baron, almost exclusively,
    for the last 3 years so I will be making some comparisons of the two
    bikes.

    The M5 seat of the Corsa is smaller than the Optima seat on my Baron.
    It is about 2 inches shorter in length and 1 inch narrower. The 2" of
    reduced length is between the 2 bends of the seat. Overall, the seat
    fits me pretty well and is not uncomfortable, although right now I
    would say that the Optima seat is a bit more comfortable for me, but
    that is likely because I am accustomed to it. With more miles on the
    Corsa, I'm sure I'll become more accustomed to it's seat and it will
    feel perfectly comfortable. I have no problem with neck fatigue, or
    pain, but then I didn't on the Optima seat either.

    My Corsa is the large frame and with the seat stays fully reclined,
    the seat clamp is just about right in the middle of the adjustment
    range. The seat angle is slightly more than the seat on my Baron,
    which is fully reclined, but not by much. When the handlebars are set
    for my arms fully extended, the riser angle is almost perfectly in
    line with the head tube. Even with the height adjustment of the stem
    fully lowered, the handlebars are still a few inches higher than I
    need. The superman position is certainly different than what I am
    used to but it is not uncomfortable.

    The Corsa is a fast and efficient bike. On a flat, smooth road, my
    Baron is faster for the same percieved effort, but not by much. Into
    a stiff wind, the Baron also seems to be a bit easier to maintain
    speed, but again , not by much. It is really difficult to quantify
    any differences, because I only have about 200 road miles this year.
    Although the spinning work I have done, at the local YMCA, have my
    heart and lungs in excellent shape, my legs still need some more road
    miles and are getting stronger every ride.

    The Corsa is definitely quicker, when accelerating from a stop, and
    also seems to be a better climber, on the hills in my area. This is
    no doubt due to it's lighter weight. I haven't weighed either bike
    but my just hefting them, the Corsa is noticably lighter. Handling is
    excellent. It is quicker responding than my Baron but is predictable
    and smooth. I am still getting used to it but I am pretty steady on
    it right now. Starting is a bit trickier, so far, but again, I have
    had no real problems. The stiffness of the Corsa and overall ride
    quality, seem to be about the same as my Baron.

    Bottom line, so far, with my limited miles, is that the Corsa is a
    very comfortable ride and is certainly capable of being ridden at a
    fast pace, by those capable of riding it so. It might be slightly
    less efficient on flat, smooth rural roads but for all long rides, in
    varied terrain, it is probably capable of being ridden just as fast as
    my Baron. For hillier rides, it might even be faster, for me.

    I did a short mile ride last Friday evening, on mostly rural roads,
    with light winds, but about 60 percent of the ride was on a glacial
    moraine, with rolling, to slightly hiily roads. Even after going
    through my home town and riding the streets for a couple of miles I
    ended up doing 29.5 miles in 1:32. I did not push myself really hard
    and only had about 100 road miles for the year. It appears that I
    might not be getting many road miles on my Baron for awhile and will
    be riding the Corsa.

    Harry Jiles

  5. Harry: Well, the end of an era. One of the things I could always
    count on in the central Illinois rides was looking down from my
    relatively lofty Barcroft Virginia riding position (19 inches) and
    seeing you flash by on the Baron. Now I will need to look up and
    crane my neck to see you woosh by. Two years ago in Monticello my
    wife and I are riding our Barcroft Columbia tandem with you and a
    fellow with a P-38, keeping fairly close to your pace, and thinking we
    were some hot cycle jockeys. That is until you and the other rider
    then decided to shift out of neurtal and into drive. Gone in a flash.
    So, now it appears that with the Corsa you might be even faster,
    which means we better see you at the start or we won't see you at all
    on the ride. Thanks for the comparison.

    Mike S.
    St. Louis, Mo.

  6. Actually, The short one often needs to be cut down. All you need is 1/2"
    clearance.All the Bacchetta's now come with the shorter length/shorter reach
    riser. On the bikes equipped with the glidflex the tendency is to need to
    cut more off, unless your riser is directly in line with the head tube. My
    personal bike (Aero) is cut so short that I feel the hairs on my legs touch
    the HB.

    Jude

    TimH <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You can also buy a shorter riser directly from Bacchetta.

    "Andrew Douglas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That pretty much mirrors my impressions. I recently bought a used
    Corsa.

    Two items to consider:

    1) Since you have the bars in line with the head tube, you can get rid
    of the GlideFlex unit. It weighs about a half a pound and isn't doing
    anything for you. This will also lower the bars.

    2) You can cut the riser to lower the bars. While irreversible, there
    are no ill effects from doing this.

    Note that if you do get rid of the GlideFlex, you have no way of
    properly tightening the headset. Bacchetta has come up with a widget
    to solve this problem, available Real Soon Now. It's also possible to
    get things tight enough without the widget if you lean on the stem
    hard enough, then tighten the collar. This is what I've done and it's
    just fine.

  7. harryo said:

    ...
    I hope to see you and Joan at Monticello again this year, if my
    planting progress allows it. It really is a great ride!

    Mike always misses the most interesting HPV's on the Monticello ride. He
    writes an article for RCN but does not notice the bodysocked Screamer,
    TiGRR and "Wavewind" riding together. Last year he missed the Greenspeed
    Tandem Trike, Bike Friday Double Day and Earth Cycles Dragonflyer.

    I believe he is trying to avoid me. However, he and Joan did suffer the
    indignity of being photographed with me by a reporter for the Havana [1]
    newspaper. 😉

    [1] Illinois, not Cuba.

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad Cities (Illinois Side)

  8. [email hidden] (mike s) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Harry: Well, the end of an era. One of the things I could always
    count on in the central Illinois rides was looking down from my
    relatively lofty Barcroft Virginia riding position (19 inches) and
    seeing you flash by on the Baron. Now I will need to look up and
    crane my neck to see you woosh by. Two years ago in Monticello my
    wife and I are riding our Barcroft Columbia tandem with you and a
    fellow with a P-38, keeping fairly close to your pace, and thinking we
    were some hot cycle jockeys. That is until you and the other rider
    then decided to shift out of neurtal and into drive. Gone in a flash.
    So, now it appears that with the Corsa you might be even faster,
    which means we better see you at the start or we won't see you at all
    on the ride. Thanks for the comparison.

    Mike, the right side of my brain takes over sometimes and I have to
    take off and sprint. It's a male thing isn't it?

    Seriously, I had been intrigued by the Bacchetta highracers, since
    they first appeared and finally had to give them a try. Now, I still
    find them quite intriguing. The Corsa really is an efficient machine
    and continues to impress me more each time I ride it. Yesterday
    evening, because of the very high winds(30+ gusts), I rode into
    town(LeRoy), to get a bit of shelter from the winds and rode there, on
    the streets, for 1 1/2 hours. Now LeRoy is a small town, with fairly
    light traffic on the streets, so I rode like I was in a criterium.
    The Corsa is very quick in sprints and I can really pedal it up to
    high speed quickly, even into the wind and on light uphill grades.
    While I never felt that I had severe visibility concerns on the Baron,
    the Corsa obviously offers more visibility, both for me and for
    motorists seeing me and is really faster for in town riding.

    I really like the Corsa. I think I probably will be able to ride it
    faster, overall, than the Baron. It is pretty darn aero into the wind
    and it certainly seems to roll quite easily so maybe the twin big
    wheels do offer some advantage in rolling resistance. Right now, it
    appears that I might very well be selling an Optima Baron in the
    future.

    I hope to see you and Joan at Monticello again this year, if my
    planting progress allows it. It really is a great ride!

    Harry Jiles

  9. Tom Sherman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Mike always misses the most interesting HPV's on the Monticello ride. He
    writes an article for RCN but does not notice the bodysocked Screamer,
    TiGRR and "Wavewind" riding together. Last year he missed the Greenspeed
    Tandem Trike, Bike Friday Double Day and Earth Cycles Dragonflyer.

    It is truely hard to miss a Greenspeed Tandem Trike. It is only about
    1/2 a block long! Tom, I also hope to see you, Tom Smith and Hal
    again, in Monticello. That ride does seem to attract more than an
    average number of recumbents.

    Harry Jiles

  10. [email hidden] (harryo) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Tom Sherman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Mike always misses the most interesting HPV's on the Monticello ride. He
    writes an article for RCN but does not notice the bodysocked Screamer,
    TiGRR and "Wavewind" riding together. Last year he missed the Greenspeed
    Tandem Trike, Bike Friday Double Day and Earth Cycles Dragonflyer.

    Tom: I might have seen them but at my age I probably can't remember.
    But you left one thing out. You are also responsible for allowing me
    to try the only Lowracer I have ever ridden where I didn't dump myself
    on the tarmac within five pedal strokes. The Sunset Lowracer lived up
    to the reputation you have so steadfastly promoted. As to the photo
    and the publication in the local paper, I hope that is not the reason
    they cancelled the ride this year! Hope to see you on one of the
    rides. P.S. We leave early.

    Mike S.
    St. Louis, Mo.

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