Azzurri bikes any good?

CB said:

Just wondered if the Azzurri brand has a decent reputation or not?
Anyone ride one, bought one?
Ta
CB

dunno about reputation but the top of the line Azzurri is basically a rebranded Italian Battaglin frame

battaglin.itdettaglio.aspOpen ↗

price is certainly competitive but I'll let 'the others' illuminate further considerations...

CB said:

Just wondered if the Azzurri brand has a decent reputation or not?
Anyone ride one, bought one?
Ta
CB

I haven't ridden OR bought one, but seriously considered doing so before I opted for a second-hand bike.

Azzurri is the "upmarket road bike" arm of Learsport, or at least their attempt to create a brand separate from the mass-market bikes of Learsport (including the GVBR ones!). The components are the same as on many other bikes, leaving frame as the only unknown. You would probably find it difficult to source the groupset and wheels for the price of the whole bike, so basically you are getting a free frame - read into that what you will.The frames are mass-produced in a factory somewhere (Taiwan I think I have read?), as are frames from many other bike companies (esp Giant, Merida, Shogun, etc etc). There is a 15 year warranty on the frame which may satisfy some concerns about it. I have heard generally good things about customer service from Learsport. Like all the other lower-end companies (and I don't mean that in a demeaning way, just trying to differentiate from the more prestigious marques!), these bikes have no snob value at all.

flyingdutch said:

dunno about reputation but the top of the line Azzurri is basically a rebranded Italian Battaglin frame

http://www.battaglin.it/dettaglio.asp?dettaglio=compact

There may be some slight differences - the Azzurri Forza and Primo Carbon have curved chainstays while those on the Battaglin appear straight. Whether this translates into any meaningful difference is completely beyond me!

One of my friends has an Azzurri 7700 with a Tiagra groupset. He has had it for nearly a year now and has had no problems.

I'm not sure they're the same frames as Battaglins, but I could be wrong. The aluminium models are definitely the same frame as the Learsports.
learsport.com.auindex.phpOpen ↗

the value is amazing: you can get the frame made with Columbus Zonal aluminium, and a cheap carbon fork for 700 bucks!!!! They've got them at that shop across the road from the Brighton Baths.

http://www.azzurri.com.au/bikes.html

roshea said:

There may be some slight differences - the Azzurri Forza and Primo Carbon have curved chainstays while those on the Battaglin appear straight. Whether this translates into any meaningful difference is completely beyond me!

they were the same last year (when i briefly entertained the idea), however the chainstays appear to have straightened on the Battaglins this year. Probably to differentiate em from the Azzurri's 😄

flyingdutch said:

(when i briefly entertained the idea),

Man!! I also briefly entertained the idea last year!!

The guy across from the Brighton Baths will sell ya a brand new Columbus Zonal Azzurri with carbon stays, without a fork for $500!!!! :eek:

500 bucks for a brand new Zonal frame??!!! That's AWESOME!!! :p
I ended up buying a Zonal Cinelli frame-set for $800, which was still a good deal.

Stuart Lamble said:

On 2006-03-15, Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wondering why they were legally required to honour the warranty? I
thought the organisers purchased the bikes and then gave them to
entrants, thus entrants were not original owners and therefore not
eligible for the warranty claim?

In my eyes, that comment comes under the heading of "sophistry". (Good
word, that.)

<snip>

It was not intended as such. It was a question and sought clarification.
If I bought a Trek bike and gave/sold it to someone else, I wouldn't
expect Trek to honour the warranty for the new owner. As for
"sophistry" being a good word, I prefer to think of it as a [censored] word -
something that you think sounds good, but could've been just as easily
expressed in plain language, so that the user ends up sounding like a
topher.

Quoted message said:

My argument was that BV acted as the agents for Learsport in
distributing the bicycles. First recourse for the warranty should be
with BV; if BV refused to honour it, then Learsport would be the second
option.

<snip>

Agreed on the first bit. In line with my previous comments - if BV were
to take it back to Learsport, I would expect Learsport would have to
honour the warranty claim.

Tam

Tamyka Bell said:

Agreed on the first bit. In line with my previous comments - if BV were
to take it back to Learsport, I would expect Learsport would have to
honour the warranty claim.

Tam

correct. exactly that happened on the first round orange/purple bike with a skewer recall...

In aus.bicycle on Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:24:00 +1000

Tamyka Bell said:

It was not intended as such. It was a question and sought clarification.
If I bought a Trek bike and gave/sold it to someone else, I wouldn't
expect Trek to honour the warranty for the new owner. As for

Why not? The bike is warranted free from defect, that doesn't change
if you aren't the first owner.

If they didn't honour it, Consumer Affairs would have a word with
them.

Zebee

Zebee Johnstone said:

In aus.bicycle on Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:24:00 +1000

Tamyka Bell said:

It was not intended as such. It was a question and sought clarification.
If I bought a Trek bike and gave/sold it to someone else, I wouldn't
expect Trek to honour the warranty for the new owner. As for

Why not? The bike is warranted free from defect, that doesn't change
if you aren't the first owner.

If they didn't honour it, Consumer Affairs would have a word with
them.

Most new-item warranties are only valid for the original purchaser, not
subsequent purchasers. That may not be legal or okay by consumer affairs
or whatever, but that's what's in the wording.

Tam

Tamyka Bell said:

Zebee Johnstone said:

Why not? The bike is warranted free from defect, that doesn't change
if you aren't the first owner.

If they didn't honour it, Consumer Affairs would have a word with
them.

Most new-item warranties are only valid for the original purchaser, not
subsequent purchasers. That may not be legal or okay by consumer affairs
or whatever, but that's what's in the wording.

I rather doubt that a manufacturer can weasel out of its basic
obligations simply because the goods were bought second hand. If I
bought (for example) a bike from somebody who bought it two weeks ago,
and who had never used it, I would be more than a little miffed if, upon
finding a flaw, the manufacturer refused to honour the warranty.

That's for my statutory rights, mind you. Anything extra that the
manufacturer chooses to grant can be restricted in whatever way the
manufacturer decides is appropriate. Obvious example: Trek's lifetime
frame warranty is above and beyond their legal obligation, so they're
within their rights to make it available only to the first purchaser.

All off the top of my head, and definitely not legal advice, by the way.

--
My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me, and
the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@ to usenet".

Tamyka Bell said:

It was not intended as such. It was a question and sought
clarification. If I bought a Trek bike and gave/sold it to someone
else, I wouldn't expect Trek to honour the warranty for the new
owner.

So if you bought a toaster for your mum's birthday, you wouldn't expect your
mum to get a warranty on it?

Generally a warranty is on a product, not an owner. Three year car
warranties are transferable any number of times during the whole three
years.

Theo

On 2006-03-15, Stuart Lamble (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Zebee Johnstone said:

Why not? The bike is warranted free from defect, that doesn't change
if you aren't the first owner.

If they didn't honour it, Consumer Affairs would have a word with
them.

Most new-item warranties are only valid for the original purchaser, not
subsequent purchasers. That may not be legal or okay by consumer affairs
or whatever, but that's what's in the wording.

I rather doubt that a manufacturer can weasel out of its basic
obligations simply because the goods were bought second hand. If I
bought (for example) a bike from somebody who bought it two weeks ago,
and who had never used it, I would be more than a little miffed if, upon
finding a flaw, the manufacturer refused to honour the warranty.

My issue was that there was something that was out of alignment (never
did find out what), such that the bike was badly unbalanced. I
noticed it about 20m down the road from the boat sheds. Clearly a
manufacturing defect and not the result of general wear and tear or
mistreatment.

I can't rememeber why I went to Learsport -- I think it was upon the
recommendation of the Pegasus Cycles who I used to service the bike
before the GVBR. So I don't think I went to BV to ask them. I think
I may have also read somewhere that warranties were to be taken up
with Learsport directly.

Too late now to care about it.

--
TimC
"I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. There's a
knob called `brightness', but it doesn't work." -- Gallagher

Theo Bekkers said:

Tamyka Bell said:

It was not intended as such. It was a question and sought
clarification. If I bought a Trek bike and gave/sold it to someone
else, I wouldn't expect Trek to honour the warranty for the new
owner.

So if you bought a toaster for your mum's birthday, you wouldn't expect your
mum to get a warranty on it?

Generally a warranty is on a product, not an owner. Three year car
warranties are transferable any number of times during the whole three
years.

Theo

No, I said a Trek bike. I didn't mention a toaster. Bike warranties are
often worded to be for the original purchaser only. As an aside, most of
my electrical appliance warranties are for all non-commercial use IAW
the directions for X months from the original date of purchase.

Tam

Zebee Johnstone said:

In aus.bicycle on Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:24:00 +1000

Tamyka Bell said:

It was not intended as such. It was a question and sought clarification.
If I bought a Trek bike and gave/sold it to someone else, I wouldn't
expect Trek to honour the warranty for the new owner. As for

Why not? The bike is warranted free from defect, that doesn't change
if you aren't the first owner.

If they didn't honour it, Consumer Affairs would have a word with
them.

Zebee

Warranties are of two types generally - statutory and contractual (leaving out duty of care and torts issues).

Trade Practices Act implies statutory warranties into contracts. As it is contractual any remedies are limited to the parties. State Fair Trading Acts do the same. TPA is limited to corporations as sellers. State legislation is not.

TPA also imposes some responsibilities on manufacturers and importers.

Contractual warranties are generally those like the Trek frame warranty.

Statutory warranties cannot be contracted out of. Contractual waranties are whatever the parties agree to, in practice that means whatever the seller or manufacturer offers.

Statutory warranties are the minimum allowed by law. Contractual warranties are on top of that (Of course if the contractual warranty is less than the statutory warranty, it will have no effect).

Usual disclaimers - this is not legal advice

SteveA

Tamyka Bell said:

Theo Bekkers said:

Tamyka Bell said:

It was not intended as such. It was a question and sought
clarification. If I bought a Trek bike and gave/sold it to someone
else, I wouldn't expect Trek to honour the warranty for the new
owner.

So if you bought a toaster for your mum's birthday, you wouldn't expect your
mum to get a warranty on it?

Generally a warranty is on a product, not an owner. Three year car
warranties are transferable any number of times during the whole three
years.

Theo

No, I said a Trek bike. I didn't mention a toaster. Bike warranties are
often worded to be for the original purchaser only. As an aside, most of
my electrical appliance warranties are for all non-commercial use IAW
the directions for X months from the original date of purchase.

Tam

Tam,
I think the contractual warranty usually specifies the original owner,
but a subsequent owner should still have the statutory warranty to fall
back on. Whether that's useful or not probably depends how clear it is
that the fault is a manufacturing defect, rather than something which
could've been caused by a previous owner.

--
Nick

so. how about them Azzurri bikes then? 🙄

F"statutorially contracted to C grade"Dutch

flyingdutch said:

so. how about them Azzurri bikes then? 🙄

F"statutorially contracted to C grade"Dutch

I am going to get my lawyers to check over any purchases I make...
CB