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  1. Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.

    Avoiding milk is associated with a reduced risk of insulin resistance and
    the metabolic syndrome: findings from the British Women's Heart and Health
    Study.

    Lawlor DA, Ebrahim S, Timpson N, Davey Smith G.

    Department of Social Medicine, University of Bristol, Canynge Hall, Bristol,
    UK.

    Objective To examine the association of milk consumption with insulin
    resistance and the metabolic syndrome. Methods The association was examined
    in 4024 British women aged 60-79 who were randomly selected from primary
    care centres in 23 towns. Results Women who never drank milk had lower
    homeostasis model assessment insulin resistance (HOMA) scores, triglyceride
    concentrations and body mass indices, and higher high-density lipoprotein
    (HDL)-cholesterol concentrations, than those who drank milk. The
    age-adjusted odds ratio for the metabolic syndrome comparing non-milk
    drinkers with drinkers was 0.55 (0.33, 0.94), which did not attenuate with
    adjustment for potential confounders. Diabetes was less common in non-milk
    drinkers. Conclusion Individuals who do not drink milk may be protected
    against insulin resistance and the metabolic syndrome. However, randomized
    controlled trials are required to establish whether milk avoidance is
    causally associated with these outcomes. Diabet. Med. 22, 808-811 (2005).

    PMID: 1591063

  2. Kev said:

    Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.

    Avoiding milk is

    Are you a brain dead shill for that other idiot?

  3. Simm Webb said:
    Kev said:

    Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.

    Avoiding milk is

    Are you a brain dead shill for that other idiot?

    Are you a brain dead shill for the dairy interests?

  4. I avoid milk a long time now, 5 years? or so. It drives my BG up.
    1 up of milk has minimum 13 gr sugar, more they take out, 2%-1%- no-fat
    milk, the more sugar is put in.
    No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.
    Too much for a diabetic.
    Goat milk, yogurt is the lowest, 6-7 gr sugar/carb per 1 cup, half what cow
    milk has.
    JS

    "Kev" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.

    Avoiding milk is associated with a reduced risk of insulin resistance and
    the metabolic syndrome: findings from the British Women's Heart and Health
    Study.

    Lawlor DA, Ebrahim S, Timpson N, Davey Smith G.

    Department of Social Medicine, University of Bristol, Canynge Hall,
    Bristol,
    UK.

    Objective To examine the association of milk consumption with insulin
    resistance and the metabolic syndrome. Methods The association was
    examined
    in 4024 British women aged 60-79 who were randomly selected from primary
    care centres in 23 towns. Results Women who never drank milk had lower
    homeostasis model assessment insulin resistance (HOMA) scores,
    triglyceride
    concentrations and body mass indices, and higher high-density lipoprotein
    (HDL)-cholesterol concentrations, than those who drank milk. The
    age-adjusted odds ratio for the metabolic syndrome comparing non-milk
    drinkers with drinkers was 0.55 (0.33, 0.94), which did not attenuate with
    adjustment for potential confounders. Diabetes was less common in non-milk
    drinkers. Conclusion Individuals who do not drink milk may be protected
    against insulin resistance and the metabolic syndrome. However, randomized
    controlled trials are required to establish whether milk avoidance is
    causally associated with these outcomes. Diabet. Med. 22, 808-811 (2005).

    PMID: 1591063

  5. On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.

    The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per cup.

    http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html

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    Enrico C
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  6. Enrico C said:

    On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition


    :

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.

    The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per


    cup.

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html

    Non fat milk varies from brand to brand re carb counts.

  7. "Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.

    The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per cup.

    http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html


    Go to the store and look it the containers label, smarty!
    Milk has to "TASTE GOOD" for kids, so the more fat they take out, other
    stuff has to go in, otherwise taste like water.
    JS

  8. Quoted message said:


    Simm Webb said:
    Kev said:

    Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.

    Avoiding milk is

    Are you a brain dead shill for that other idiot?

    Are you a brain dead shill for the dairy interests?

    No, but I know who you are. Is your daughter still writing college
    theses about the correlation of artificial sweeteners and cancer in
    kindergarten yet? I haven't forgotten that episode, as well as the
    other episodes between you and the mad woman of drink.

    Keep on passing your gas.

  9. Szaki said:

    Go to the store and look it the containers label, smarty!
    Milk has to "TASTE GOOD" for kids, so the more fat they take out, other
    stuff has to go in, otherwise taste like water.

    So what other stuff is put in low-fat cow's milk?

  10. Kev said:

    Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.

    Avoiding milk is associated with a reduced risk of insulin resistance and
    the metabolic syndrome: findings from the British Women's Heart and Health
    Study.

    Lawlor DA, Ebrahim S, Timpson N, Davey Smith G.

    Department of Social Medicine, University of Bristol, Canynge Hall,


    Bristol,

    Quoted message said:

    UK.

    Objective To examine the association of milk consumption with insulin
    resistance and the metabolic syndrome. Methods The association was


    examined

    Quoted message said:

    in 4024 British women aged 60-79 who were randomly selected from primary
    care centres in 23 towns. Results Women who never drank milk had lower
    homeostasis model assessment insulin resistance (HOMA) scores,


    triglyceride

    Quoted message said:

    concentrations and body mass indices, and higher high-density lipoprotein
    (HDL)-cholesterol concentrations, than those who drank milk. The
    age-adjusted odds ratio for the metabolic syndrome comparing non-milk
    drinkers with drinkers was 0.55 (0.33, 0.94), which did not attenuate with
    adjustment for potential confounders. Diabetes was less common in non-milk
    drinkers. Conclusion Individuals who do not drink milk may be protected
    against insulin resistance and the metabolic syndrome. However, randomized
    controlled trials are required to establish whether milk avoidance is
    causally associated with these outcomes. Diabet. Med. 22, 808-811 (2005).

    PMID: 1591063

    Thanks for the info.

  11. George Lagergren said:
    Szaki said:

    Go to the store and look it the containers label, smarty!
    Milk has to "TASTE GOOD" for kids, so the more fat they


    take out,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other stuff has to go in, otherwise taste like water.

    So what other stuff is put in low-fat cow's milk?

    It is bulked out with lactose so it doesn't seem so watery
    and insipid. That's why skimmed milk has more carbs than
    full fat milk.

  12. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Simm Webb said:
    Kev said:

    Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.

    Avoiding milk is

    Are you a brain dead shill for that other idiot?

    Are you a brain dead shill for the dairy interests?


    Are you being paid for by the sow milk and rice milk farmers?

  13. Quoted message said:


    Simm Webb said:
    Kev said:

    Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.

    Avoiding milk is

    Are you a brain dead shill for that other idiot?

    Are you a brain dead shill for the dairy interests?


    Hmmm.

    Kick a mouldy wall, and lots of cockroaches seem to scurry out.

  14. On Mon, 30 May 2005 09:34:32 +1000, Ozgirl wrote in
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    Quoted message said:
    Enrico C said:

    On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition


    :

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.

    The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per


    cup.

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html

    Non fat milk varies from brand to brand re carb counts.

    I would expect that USDA computes an average of the main brands...

    X'Posted to: alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition

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    Enrico C
    ==================================

  15. On Sun, 29 May 2005 17:32:17 -0700, Szaki wrote in
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    alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    "Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.

    The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per cup.

    http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html


    Go to the store and look it the containers label, smarty!

    I will... but I can only tell you about stores in Rome, Italy, where I live
    🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Milk has to "TASTE GOOD" for kids, so the more fat they take out, other
    stuff has to go in, otherwise taste like water.

    I see... Anyway, if there are brands with lower contents, just buy those,
    not the "tasty" ones.

    Ozgirl said she has seen
    "between 12 gr and 18 gr carb per 250 ml cup. 6 "

    And if you don't really need "non fat", why not use "low fat" instead?

    X'Posted to: alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition

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    Enrico C
    ==================================

  16. Enrico C said:

    Ozgirl said she has seen
    "between 12 gr and 18 gr carb per 250 ml cup. 6 "

    And if you don't really need "non fat", why not use "low


    fat" instead?

    Low fat or non fat both have added non fat milk solids
    added. Which means more lactose and depending on the
    resulting milk required it can be significant - i.e. the
    difference between getting a 12 gr per cup milk and an 18 gr
    cup. For the amount of milk I drink I wouldn't be bothered
    about the amount of cholesterol per cup in full fat but I
    hate the taste of full fat, to me it is like drinking cream.
    The advantage of full fat, if you don't mind the creaminess,
    is that fat can help to flatten any spike you might get plus
    you probably wouldn't need to check the labels between
    brands as I have found full fat milk to have pretty much the
    same carb count per cup whatever the brand.

  17. On Mon, 30 May 2005 22:20:49 +1000, Ozgirl wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:
    Enrico C said:

    Ozgirl said she has seen
    "between 12 gr and 18 gr carb per 250 ml cup. 6 "

    And if you don't really need "non fat", why not use "low


    fat" instead?

    Low fat or non fat both have added non fat milk solids
    added. Which means more lactose and depending on the
    resulting milk required it can be significant - i.e. the
    difference between getting a 12 gr per cup milk and an 18 gr
    cup. For the amount of milk I drink I wouldn't be bothered
    about the amount of cholesterol per cup in full fat but I
    hate the taste of full fat, to me it is like drinking cream.
    The advantage of full fat, if you don't mind the creaminess,
    is that fat can help to flatten any spike you might get plus
    you probably wouldn't need to check the labels between
    brands as I have found full fat milk to have pretty much the
    same carb count per cup whatever the brand.

    Besides, "full fat" should be a best source for vitamins and minerals...

    I personally think "reduced fat" (1,5-2% fat...) is the best compromise
    between taste and nutrients and fat.

    X'Posted to: alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition

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    Enrico C

  18. On Mon, 30 May 2005 22:20:49 +1000, Ozgirl wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:
    Enrico C said:

    Ozgirl said she has seen
    "between 12 gr and 18 gr carb per 250 ml cup. 6 "

    And if you don't really need "non fat", why not use "low


    fat" instead?

    Low fat or non fat both have added non fat milk solids
    added. Which means more lactose and depending on the
    resulting milk required it can be significant - i.e. the
    difference between getting a 12 gr per cup milk and an 18 gr
    cup. For the amount of milk I drink I wouldn't be bothered
    about the amount of cholesterol per cup in full fat but I
    hate the taste of full fat, to me it is like drinking cream.
    The advantage of full fat, if you don't mind the creaminess,
    is that fat can help to flatten any spike you might get plus
    you probably wouldn't need to check the labels between
    brands as I have found full fat milk to have pretty much the
    same carb count per cup whatever the brand.

    Besides, "full fat" should be a better source for vitamins and minerals...

    I personally think "reduced fat" (1,5-2% fat...) is the best compromise
    between taste and nutrients, and fat.

    X'Posted to: alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition

    X'Posted to: alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition

    --
    Enrico C

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ozgirl said:
    George Lagergren said:
    Szaki said:

    Go to the store and look it the containers label, smarty!
    Milk has to "TASTE GOOD" for kids, so the more fat they


    take out,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other stuff has to go in, otherwise taste like water.

    So what other stuff is put in low-fat cow's milk?

    It is bulked out with lactose so it doesn't seem so watery
    and insipid. That's why skimmed milk has more carbs than
    full fat milk.

    Are you sure about the lactose? The source I found said "milk
    solids", which didn't seem like quite the same thing.

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  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (David Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ozgirl said:
    George Lagergren said:

    "Szaki" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > Go to the store and look it the containers label, smarty!
    > Milk has to "TASTE GOOD" for kids, so the more fat they


    take out,

    Quoted message said:

    > other stuff has to go in, otherwise taste like water.

    So what other stuff is put in low-fat cow's milk?

    It is bulked out with lactose so it doesn't seem so watery
    and insipid. That's why skimmed milk has more carbs than
    full fat milk.

    Are you sure about the lactose? The source I found said "milk
    solids", which didn't seem like quite the same thing.

    If "milk solids" is dehydrated skimmed milk, then I would expect it to
    contain a fair amount of lactose.

    Priscilla
    --
    "Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what
    the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong

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