AVOID ICYCLESUSA.COM EBAY RIPOFF JUNK THEFT FRAUD CHEAT

I've bought numerous things from them without trouble. Perhaps you did not
email the correct place? They do have a website. Did you read the
description properely? Alright prices, quick shipping - no complaints from
me.

David

"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

ICYCLESUSA EBAY FRAUD WARNING!!

A couple of months ago I bought a Truvativ 104 BCD 4-bolt chainring from
ICYCLESUSA.COM on Ebay. The damned chainring won't fit either of my 4-arm
cranksets (one is XT with an Avid Standaptor, the other is Shimano Deore).
It's obviously a defective part, incorrectly machined so it is too small

to

Quoted message said:

clear the chainring bolt perches. I've never seen a chainring with this
problem - ever. The part was sold on Ebay with no warning given anywhere

in

Quoted message said:

the auction listing about the fact that it won't fit standard 64/104

cranks.

Quoted message said:

In the auction it says: "it will fit cranks with a 4 bolt pattern." Well,
that is a lie. The chainring is obviously defective, unusable junk.

So, naturally, I wanted a refund or replacement, since ICYCLESUSA.COM LIED
about the item. I found that there is no way to contact ICYCLESUSA through
Ebay for a return. When you email them, you get a standard robotic

autoreply

Quoted message said:

email - no human contact whatsoever, and NO way to get a refund!! I had

to

Quoted message said:

scour Google Groups to find an email address and reach a human

(presumably).

Quoted message said:

I sent an email, asking for a refund or replacement. I've waited several
weeks now, and have received zero response from IcyclesUSA. They appear

to

Quoted message said:

be running a scam operation, with no intention of providing reasonable
service. (They offer no way to contact them for a refund through their

Ebay

Quoted message said:

account...)

There are many vendors with comparable prices, often quite a bit cheaper
than ICYCLESUSA.COM I'm glad I found out about ICYCLESUSA.COM's ripoff
tactics before I placed a larger order. Avoid them. Go elsewhere:
PricePoint.com, JensonUSA.com, Nashbar.com, Performance.com, Supergo.com,
etc. ANYTHING but IcyclesUSA.com.

DO NOT BUY FROM ICYCLESUSA.COM!!! THEY SELL JUNK!! NO CUSTOMER SERVICE!!

NO

Quoted message said:

RETURNS!!! THEY LIE!! RIPOFF!! AVOID THEM!!

KEYWORDS:
SCAM RIPOFF WARNING CUSTOMER SERVICE NIGHTMARE ICYCLESUSA SUCKS NO RETURN
BAD SERVICE EBAY SCAM RIPOFF AVOID CREDIT CARD PAYPAL BAD SERVICE

DEFECTIVE

Quoted message said:

PRODUCT ICYCLES ICYCLESUSA.COM THEFT FRAUD CAVEAT EMPTOR OEM DEFECTIVE

JUNK

Quoted message said:

DEFECTIVE EBAY WARNING SCAM FRAUD CHEAT STEAL THEFT [censored] GARBAGE JUNK
WORTHLESS BIKE PARTS CHAINRING TRUVATIV LIES THEFT GARBAGE DEFECTIVE RISK

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Rocketman said:

ICYCLESUSA EBAY FRAUD WARNING!!

A couple of months ago I bought a Truvativ 104 BCD 4-bolt chainring
from ICYCLESUSA.COM on Ebay. The damned chainring won't fit either
of my 4-arm cranksets (one is XT with an Avid Standaptor, the other
is Shimano Deore).

I thought Shimano has proprietary bolt patterns 'n stuff; are there
aftermarket rings available for my worn XTR crankset?

Bill "Stylo on there now" S.

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"david" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've bought numerous things from them without trouble. Perhaps you did not
email the correct place? They do have a website. Did you read the
description properely? Alright prices, quick shipping - no complaints

from

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me.

I've bought from them at least twice, with no trouble.
I tend to think of them as a discount / closeout shop.
Of course, the fact that David and I have had no trouble doesn't mean they
are perfect and that the O.P. doesn't have a point.

For what it's worth, they still have the item on their web site:
https://secure2.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=icycles&BusType=BtoC&Count1=459911525&Count2=377051949&Target=products%2Easp&CategoryID=46

http://tinyurl.com/2duc8

(Note on this page, ICYCLESUSA says "Tell a friend about this product."!)

Rocketman said:

ICYCLESUSA EBAY FRAUD WARNING!!

I've purchased numerous things from Icycles, never had a problem with
delivery. Their system is HEAVILY automated, which can lead to
frustrating run-arounds.
Their website lists no contact number but there is a fax # and I'll
bet someone will read a gripe that comes over.
Dunno if this helps but ...
Cheers,
Derek

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A couple of months ago I bought a Truvativ 104 BCD 4-bolt chainring from
ICYCLESUSA.COM on Ebay. The damned chainring won't fit either of my 4-arm
cranksets (one is XT with an Avid Standaptor, the other is Shimano Deore).

<<SNIP>>

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I have bought lots of stuff from them with never a problem. Even changed an
order once and had them add some things so would get it all for one shipping
fee and they did.

Frank

"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

ICYCLESUSA EBAY FRAUD WARNING!!

A couple of months ago I bought a Truvativ 104 BCD 4-bolt chainring from
ICYCLESUSA.COM on Ebay. The damned chainring won't fit either of my 4-arm
cranksets (one is XT with an Avid Standaptor, the other is Shimano Deore).
It's obviously a defective part, incorrectly machined so it is too small

to

Quoted message said:

clear the chainring bolt perches. I've never seen a chainring with this
problem - ever. The part was sold on Ebay with no warning given anywhere

in

Quoted message said:

the auction listing about the fact that it won't fit standard 64/104

cranks.

Quoted message said:

In the auction it says: "it will fit cranks with a 4 bolt pattern." Well,
that is a lie. The chainring is obviously defective, unusable junk.

So, naturally, I wanted a refund or replacement, since ICYCLESUSA.COM LIED
about the item. I found that there is no way to contact ICYCLESUSA through
Ebay for a return. When you email them, you get a standard robotic

autoreply

Quoted message said:

email - no human contact whatsoever, and NO way to get a refund!! I had

to

Quoted message said:

scour Google Groups to find an email address and reach a human

(presumably).

Quoted message said:

I sent an email, asking for a refund or replacement. I've waited several
weeks now, and have received zero response from IcyclesUSA. They appear

to

Quoted message said:

be running a scam operation, with no intention of providing reasonable
service. (They offer no way to contact them for a refund through their

Ebay

Quoted message said:

account...)

There are many vendors with comparable prices, often quite a bit cheaper
than ICYCLESUSA.COM I'm glad I found out about ICYCLESUSA.COM's ripoff
tactics before I placed a larger order. Avoid them. Go elsewhere:
PricePoint.com, JensonUSA.com, Nashbar.com, Performance.com, Supergo.com,
etc. ANYTHING but IcyclesUSA.com.

DO NOT BUY FROM ICYCLESUSA.COM!!! THEY SELL JUNK!! NO CUSTOMER SERVICE!!

NO

Quoted message said:

RETURNS!!! THEY LIE!! RIPOFF!! AVOID THEM!!

KEYWORDS:
SCAM RIPOFF WARNING CUSTOMER SERVICE NIGHTMARE ICYCLESUSA SUCKS NO RETURN
BAD SERVICE EBAY SCAM RIPOFF AVOID CREDIT CARD PAYPAL BAD SERVICE

DEFECTIVE

Quoted message said:

PRODUCT ICYCLES ICYCLESUSA.COM THEFT FRAUD CAVEAT EMPTOR OEM DEFECTIVE

JUNK

Quoted message said:

DEFECTIVE EBAY WARNING SCAM FRAUD CHEAT STEAL THEFT [censored] GARBAGE JUNK
WORTHLESS BIKE PARTS CHAINRING TRUVATIV LIES THEFT GARBAGE DEFECTIVE RISK

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"david" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Perhaps you did not email the correct place? They do have a website.

Wrong. I attempted contact via Ebay's web messaging system, and also using
the IcyclesUSA.com email address (which is not easy to locate). Both were
correct addresses. The owner is notorious for not replying. (Do a Google
search if you don't believe me.) He doesn't want to be bothered with
customer service. That would be too much like work.

Quoted message said:

Did you read the description properely?

[rolls eyes] Nowhere did it say anything about the chainrings being
improperly machined, or of proprietary design. It said "will fit cranks
with a 4 bolt pattern." Since the only 4-bolt cranks that Truvativ has ever
made are 64/104 BCD, one would assume (unless one is an idiot) that the
description promised that the chainring in question would fit 104 BCD
cranks. It did not. That is fraud, and should be compensated. But instead
the crook that runs ICYCLESUSA.COM refuses returns for any reason, EVEN IF
IT IS HIS FAULT!

Quoted message said:

Alright prices, quick shipping

Both are meaningless if the products are junk. AVOID the trouble and shop
with a reputable dealer.

DON'T BUY FROM ICYCLESUSA.COM!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!

Quoted message said:

"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

ICYCLESUSA EBAY FRAUD WARNING!!

A couple of months ago I bought a Truvativ 104 BCD 4-bolt chainring from
ICYCLESUSA.COM on Ebay. The damned chainring won't fit either of my

4-arm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cranksets (one is XT with an Avid Standaptor, the other is Shimano

Deore).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's obviously a defective part, incorrectly machined so it is too small

to

Quoted message said:

clear the chainring bolt perches. I've never seen a chainring with this
problem - ever. The part was sold on Ebay with no warning given

anywhere

Quoted message said:

in

Quoted message said:

the auction listing about the fact that it won't fit standard 64/104

cranks.

Quoted message said:

In the auction it says: "it will fit cranks with a 4 bolt pattern."

Well,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that is a lie. The chainring is obviously defective, unusable junk.

So, naturally, I wanted a refund or replacement, since ICYCLESUSA.COM

LIED

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

about the item. I found that there is no way to contact ICYCLESUSA

through

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ebay for a return. When you email them, you get a standard robotic

autoreply

Quoted message said:

email - no human contact whatsoever, and NO way to get a refund!! I had

to

Quoted message said:

scour Google Groups to find an email address and reach a human

(presumably).

Quoted message said:

I sent an email, asking for a refund or replacement. I've waited several
weeks now, and have received zero response from IcyclesUSA. They appear

to

Quoted message said:

be running a scam operation, with no intention of providing reasonable
service. (They offer no way to contact them for a refund through their

Ebay

Quoted message said:

account...)

There are many vendors with comparable prices, often quite a bit cheaper
than ICYCLESUSA.COM I'm glad I found out about ICYCLESUSA.COM's ripoff
tactics before I placed a larger order. Avoid them. Go elsewhere:
PricePoint.com, JensonUSA.com, Nashbar.com, Performance.com,

Supergo.com,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

etc. ANYTHING but IcyclesUSA.com.

DO NOT BUY FROM ICYCLESUSA.COM!!! THEY SELL JUNK!! NO CUSTOMER

SERVICE!!

Quoted message said:

NO

Quoted message said:

RETURNS!!! THEY LIE!! RIPOFF!! AVOID THEM!!

KEYWORDS:
SCAM RIPOFF WARNING CUSTOMER SERVICE NIGHTMARE ICYCLESUSA SUCKS NO

RETURN

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

BAD SERVICE EBAY SCAM RIPOFF AVOID CREDIT CARD PAYPAL BAD SERVICE

DEFECTIVE

Quoted message said:

PRODUCT ICYCLES ICYCLESUSA.COM THEFT FRAUD CAVEAT EMPTOR OEM DEFECTIVE

JUNK

Quoted message said:

DEFECTIVE EBAY WARNING SCAM FRAUD CHEAT STEAL THEFT [censored] GARBAGE JUNK
WORTHLESS BIKE PARTS CHAINRING TRUVATIV LIES THEFT GARBAGE DEFECTIVE

RISK

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ditto

"david" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've bought numerous things from them without trouble. Perhaps you did not
email the correct place? They do have a website. Did you read the
description properely? Alright prices, quick shipping - no complaints

from

Quoted message said:

me.

David

"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

ICYCLESUSA EBAY FRAUD WARNING!!

A couple of months ago I bought a Truvativ 104 BCD 4-bolt chainring from
ICYCLESUSA.COM on Ebay. The damned chainring won't fit either of my

4-arm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cranksets (one is XT with an Avid Standaptor, the other is Shimano

Deore).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's obviously a defective part, incorrectly machined so it is too small

to

Quoted message said:

clear the chainring bolt perches. I've never seen a chainring with this
problem - ever. The part was sold on Ebay with no warning given

anywhere

Quoted message said:

in

Quoted message said:

the auction listing about the fact that it won't fit standard 64/104

cranks.

Quoted message said:

In the auction it says: "it will fit cranks with a 4 bolt pattern."

Well,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that is a lie. The chainring is obviously defective, unusable junk.

So, naturally, I wanted a refund or replacement, since ICYCLESUSA.COM

LIED

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

about the item. I found that there is no way to contact ICYCLESUSA

through

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ebay for a return. When you email them, you get a standard robotic

autoreply

Quoted message said:

email - no human contact whatsoever, and NO way to get a refund!! I had

to

Quoted message said:

scour Google Groups to find an email address and reach a human

(presumably).

Quoted message said:

I sent an email, asking for a refund or replacement. I've waited several
weeks now, and have received zero response from IcyclesUSA. They appear

to

Quoted message said:

be running a scam operation, with no intention of providing reasonable
service. (They offer no way to contact them for a refund through their

Ebay

Quoted message said:

account...)

There are many vendors with comparable prices, often quite a bit cheaper
than ICYCLESUSA.COM I'm glad I found out about ICYCLESUSA.COM's ripoff
tactics before I placed a larger order. Avoid them. Go elsewhere:
PricePoint.com, JensonUSA.com, Nashbar.com, Performance.com,

Supergo.com,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

etc. ANYTHING but IcyclesUSA.com.

DO NOT BUY FROM ICYCLESUSA.COM!!! THEY SELL JUNK!! NO CUSTOMER

SERVICE!!

Quoted message said:

NO

Quoted message said:

RETURNS!!! THEY LIE!! RIPOFF!! AVOID THEM!!

KEYWORDS:
SCAM RIPOFF WARNING CUSTOMER SERVICE NIGHTMARE ICYCLESUSA SUCKS NO

RETURN

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

BAD SERVICE EBAY SCAM RIPOFF AVOID CREDIT CARD PAYPAL BAD SERVICE

DEFECTIVE

Quoted message said:

PRODUCT ICYCLES ICYCLESUSA.COM THEFT FRAUD CAVEAT EMPTOR OEM DEFECTIVE

JUNK

Quoted message said:

DEFECTIVE EBAY WARNING SCAM FRAUD CHEAT STEAL THEFT [censored] GARBAGE JUNK
WORTHLESS BIKE PARTS CHAINRING TRUVATIV LIES THEFT GARBAGE DEFECTIVE

RISK

Quoted message said:

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Sales through our CLEARANCE OUTLET on eBay are automated. All our items are
as described and pictured. If a mistake has been made simply return the the
item following the return directions on your receipt or our website.
Customer service is available to those that are able to read and follow
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Ah, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. Sheesh. I hope
you've got the childish fit of pique out of your system and now you
can be rational.

The proprietor of iCyclesUSA is Kevin. I've dealt with him several
times over the past two or three years and have gotten exactly what I
ordered. Therein lies the point: exactly what I ordered. That means
you as the customer need to do your homework before ordering. Now,
I've had good results with prompt shipping, but that doesn't mean
everyone else might.

You've tried the obvious, I hope. Since you identify them as
"IcyclesUSA.com" you have actually looked directly at their Web site?
Or their contact page?

http://www.icyclesusa.com/online.htm

Or maybe you tried to see what the record was regarding past
complaints about IcyclesUSA.com through Google- there has been
discussion here in the past.

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With all due respect to those who had good service from Icycles... and
despite what the rep from Icycles wrote above implying it is easy to
get into contact with there staff...

Simply go to their site and try to click on the "Contact us" links
either at the right hand top corner or at the bottom of their home
page, and wait and see what happens...

Nada! Zilch. Now, try instead to click on the other links (ie.
"Closeouts" etc), and presto, you're directed to areas where they'll
gladly offer to sell you stuff quickly.

So much for ease of contacting these guys.

rick

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Rocketman said:

A couple of months ago I bought a Truvativ 104 BCD 4-bolt chainring from
ICYCLESUSA.COM on Ebay. The damned chainring won't fit either of my 4-arm
cranksets (one is XT with an Avid Standaptor, the other is Shimano Deore).
It's obviously a defective part, incorrectly machined so it is too small to
clear the chainring bolt perches. I've never seen a chainring with this
problem - ever. The part was sold on Ebay with no warning given anywhere in
the auction listing about the fact that it won't fit standard 64/104 cranks.
In the auction it says: "it will fit cranks with a 4 bolt pattern." Well,
that is a lie. The chainring is obviously defective, unusable junk.

You bought a chainring without being explicitly sure what it's BCD
is, and you're angry?

Sheesh. Might as well buy a headset that says "Fits standard bikes"
without emailing to ask if it's threaded or threadless, and if it's
size is 1" or 1-1/8".

To steal Sheldon Brown's tagline:
+---------------------------------------------+
| The nice thing about standards is that |
| there are so many of them to choose from. |
| --Andrew S. Tanenbaum |
+---------------------------------------------+
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Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

So much for ease of contacting these guys.

If this was an ebay purchase, you should have tested "ease of contact" with
"question for seller" as to your fit requirements. No answer (not my experience
with ICYCLES), or no clear information, no bid. Much easier.

Didn't someone point out the "returns" function at the ICYCLES page yesterday
or the day before?

My one buying experience at IC went fine, FWIW.

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No comment. --Tom Paterson

What an arrogant ass.

In the Ebay auction listing, it specifically states that NO REFUNDS will be
offered, and no refund shipping address was provided.

Your competitor on Ebay, eDiscountBike.com, has EXCELLENT customer service,
flawless packing and fast shipping. The few problems that I've encountered
with them have been resolved swiftly, and courteously. Unlike you, they are
committed to customer service, not arrogant stonewalling.

I'll be buying from the following online shops from now on:

JensonUSA.com
Nashbar.com
Performance.com
Supergo.com
eDiscountBike.com

They know how to take care of their customers. You do not.

Good riddance.

R

"ICYCLES" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sales through our CLEARANCE OUTLET on eBay are automated. All our items

are

Quoted message said:

as described and pictured. If a mistake has been made simply return the

the

Quoted message said:

item following the return directions on your receipt or our website.
Customer service is available to those that are able to read and follow
basic directions.

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"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Rocketman said:

A couple of months ago I bought a Truvativ 104 BCD 4-bolt chainring from
ICYCLESUSA.COM on Ebay. The damned chainring won't fit either of my

4-arm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cranksets (one is XT with an Avid Standaptor, the other is Shimano

Deore).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's obviously a defective part, incorrectly machined so it is too small

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

clear the chainring bolt perches. I've never seen a chainring with this
problem - ever. The part was sold on Ebay with no warning given anywhere

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the auction listing about the fact that it won't fit standard 64/104

cranks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In the auction it says: "it will fit cranks with a 4 bolt pattern." Well,
that is a lie. The chainring is obviously defective, unusable junk.

You bought a chainring without being explicitly sure what it's BCD
is, and you're angry?

Truvativ has only made 4-arm chainrings with one bolt circle diameter:
64/104mm. The chainring that I purchased has the correct BCD; but it is
incorrectly machined, and does not clear the chainring perches (adjacent to
the bolts). The chainring was a defective part, but that was not mentioned
in the auction. It's the responsibility of the seller to disclose defects,
and to provide mechanisms for refund/exchange. No such disclosure was made
in the auction listing. I sent numerous emails to the seller, and received
no replies of any kind.

R

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Their Contact Us button directs you to some common FAQ's and then to an
E-mail

So what? Seemed pretty easy to me.

"rniak?away with [email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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With all due respect to those who had good service from Icycles... and
despite what the rep from Icycles wrote above implying it is easy to
get into contact with there staff...

Simply go to their site and try to click on the "Contact us" links
either at the right hand top corner or at the bottom of their home
page, and wait and see what happens...

Nada! Zilch. Now, try instead to click on the other links (ie.
"Closeouts" etc), and presto, you're directed to areas where they'll
gladly offer to sell you stuff quickly.

So much for ease of contacting these guys.

rick

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"rniak?away with [email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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With all due respect to those who had good service from Icycles... and
despite what the rep from Icycles wrote above implying it is easy to
get into contact with there staff...

Simply go to their site and try to click on the "Contact us" links
either at the right hand top corner or at the bottom of their home
page, and wait and see what happens...

Nada! Zilch. Now, try instead to click on the other links (ie.
"Closeouts" etc), and presto, you're directed to areas where they'll
gladly offer to sell you stuff quickly.

So much for ease of contacting these guys.

http://www.nexternal.com/shared/HelpDesk/ask.asp?CS=icycles

Pete

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"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:TJGac.49145$JO3.32170@attbi_s04...

Quoted message said:

ICYCLESUSA EBAY FRAUD WARNING!!

snip the most well thought-out and written piece of true literature I have

ever had the pleasure through tears of joy to read on the internet>

Quoted message said:

DO NOT BUY FROM ICYCLESUSA.COM!!! THEY SELL JUNK!! NO CUSTOMER SERVICE!!

NO

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RETURNS!!! THEY LIE!! RIPOFF!! AVOID THEM!!

KEYWORDS:
SCAM RIPOFF WARNING CUSTOMER SERVICE NIGHTMARE ICYCLESUSA SUCKS NO RETURN
BAD SERVICE EBAY SCAM RIPOFF AVOID CREDIT CARD PAYPAL BAD SERVICE

DEFECTIVE

Quoted message said:

PRODUCT ICYCLES ICYCLESUSA.COM THEFT FRAUD CAVEAT EMPTOR OEM DEFECTIVE

JUNK

Quoted message said:

DEFECTIVE EBAY WARNING SCAM FRAUD CHEAT STEAL THEFT [censored] GARBAGE JUNK
WORTHLESS BIKE PARTS CHAINRING TRUVATIV LIES THEFT GARBAGE DEFECTIVE RISK

At last, I've found my long lost brother!

Stuart Winsor
Ground Zero Cycles
[email hidden]

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Rocketman said:

What an arrogant ass.

Stop top posting.

Quoted message said:

In the Ebay auction listing, it specifically states that NO REFUNDS
will be offered, and no refund shipping address was provided.

In in the reply, Kevin told you how to return the item.

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They know how to take care of their customers. You do not.

You, on the other hand, know how to be pissy and bitter. Since
you've been offered a way to correct the problem, STFU.

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Good riddance.

Yes.

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Thanks for the heads-up. Much appreciated.

"Rocketman" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Truvativ has only made 4-arm chainrings with one bolt circle diameter:
64/104mm. The chainring that I purchased has the correct BCD; but it is
incorrectly machined, and does not clear the chainring perches (adjacent

to

Quoted message said:

the bolts). The chainring was a defective part, but that was not

mentioned

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in the auction. It's the responsibility of the seller to disclose

defects,

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and to provide mechanisms for refund/exchange. No such disclosure was

made

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in the auction listing. I sent numerous emails to the seller, and received
no replies of any kind.

R

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