Available Clinical Trials

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If you are looking to join a clinical trial
http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/ has lots of information

on

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thousands of available clinical trials. The site also does a free matching
service for those clinical trials accepting participants. I thought this

was

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a great site for those interested in the clinical trials going on. Check

it

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out.

Lead to this:

http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/cancer_myeloma1.php

A Burzynski study.

Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as all
the Burzynski trials require?

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If you are looking to join a clinical trial
http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/ has lots of

information

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on

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thousands of available clinical trials. The site also does a free

matching

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service for those clinical trials accepting participants. I thought this

was

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a great site for those interested in the clinical trials going on. Check

it

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out.

Lead to this:

http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/cancer_myeloma1.php

A Burzynski study.

So???? It's a study, right? Isn't that what you have been asking for? Go, go
quickly, and sign up now. Perhaps you can sign up for some of the wonderful
new drug trials too.

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If you are looking to join a clinical trial
http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/ has lots of

information

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on

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thousands of available clinical trials. The site also does a free

matching

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service for those clinical trials accepting participants. I thought

this

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was

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a great site for those interested in the clinical trials going on.

Check

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it

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out.

Lead to this:

http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/cancer_myeloma1.php

A Burzynski study.

So???? It's a study, right? Isn't that what you have been asking for? Go,

go

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quickly, and sign up now.

I do not fit the criteria, and neither do you. I am not terminally ill, and,
you are not the right species.

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Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as all
the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their invovlement.

I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones, that
requires the participant to pay for medical care.

Perhaps the experts can chime in.

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Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as all
the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

invovlement.

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I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones, that
requires the participant to pay for medical care.

It is normally regarded as quite unethical. Participants in clinical trials
may run unknown risks with no certainty of benefit.

Peter Moran

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Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as

all

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the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

invovlement.

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I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones,

that

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requires the participant to pay for medical care.

It is normally regarded as quite unethical. Participants in clinical

trials

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may run unknown risks with no certainty of benefit.

That is what I thought. I'll have a chance to discuss this with the director
of a company that runs human clinical trials, since one of their doctors
just died of a heart attack while working.

Should be interesting.

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 26, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t

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Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as all
the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their invovlement.

I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones, that
requires the participant to pay for medical care.

Perhaps the experts can chime in.

I heard an advertisement on the radio this week looking for
participants in a clinical trial. They were going to get free
medication plus compensation.

remember that Burzynski's "medical/clinical services" don't come
cheap. Sell the house.

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Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 5/26/2004 1:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as all
the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

invovlement.

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I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones, that
requires the participant to pay for medical care.

It is normally regarded as quite unethical. Participants in clinical trials
may run unknown risks with no certainty of benefit.

Peter Moran

Peter Moran is speaking of unethical.

Let's take a look.

http://tinyurl.com/2l7ps

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2003/05/12/story6.html

The company has a partnership with GlaxoSmithKline on the drug now in clinical
trials and has a collaboration with Exelixis Inc. to design more small-molecule
compounds that Cytokinetics and Exelixis can each use in its drug discovery
efforts.

http://www.poz.com/index.cfm?p=article&art_id=533

Today's Competitor Is Tomorrow's Collaborator"
Drug development is a famously high-stakes enterprise. Only one in 10 compounds
in phase III human efficacy trials gets Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
approval; only one in three of these ever turns a profit; and pharmaceuticals
depend on 20 percent of these winners to create 70 percent of their profits.
These odds encourage drug companies to avoid research long shots and any data
that might be damaging to their meds already on the market.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/amnestynow/bitterpill.html

U.S. drug companies tested Milltown, a tranquilizer, at an insane asylum in
Haiti, 1954. (© Eve Arnold / Magnum)

Amnesty Now > A Bitter Pill

A Bitter Pill:
Exporting Drug Trials to the Developing World

WARNING: Side effects of globalizing human experimentation may include
questionable ethics, preventable deaths, and violations of international
agreements.

BY DAVID CONCAR

David Concar is a London-based journalist and deputy editor of New Scientist
magazine.
When a deadly epidemic of bacterial meningitis swept through northern Nigeria
in 1996, Samaila Musa’s parents did the obvious thing. They took their
stricken 7-year-old to the infectious disease hospital in the nearby city of
Kano. Amidst an anguished dispute over what happened next, one thing is clear:
The world’s richest pharmaceutical company enrolled Samaila, and hundreds of
infected children like him, as test subjects in a now-notorious drug trial. A
team from Pfizer Inc. had learned of the outbreak on the internet and flown to
Kano armed with a promising new antibiotic called Trovan (trovafloxacin). With
meningitis rare in the West, it was a golden opportunity to put the drug
through its paces, compare it to a rival company’s approved treatment, and
gather the data needed for a license to market the potentially lucrative drug.
Trovan, alas, was no miracle cure. Several (the exact number is disputed) of
the sick children given the experimental drug died. Many more suffered lasting
injuries from their infections. Samaila, now a teenager, was struck deaf and
dumb. Pfizer says that Trovan worked better than any other treatment
administered in Kano. But lawyers representing outraged Nigerian families
dispute that view and claim that the trial violated international agreements,
including the Nuremberg Code. These international guidelines were drawn up in
1949 to protect human subjects from the kind of appalling experiments Nazi
doctors performed on concentration camp inmates.

“The Kano patients didn’t know they were being enrolled into a for-profit
study. It is absolutely abhorrent that you can use sick children as guinea pigs
without informed consent,” says Elaine Kusel, the legal partner handling the
case at Milberg Weiss in New York.

http://www.hei.org/research/depts/clinstud/questdy.htm

Jan

Hmm. So only one potential drug in 10 in Phase III trials gets FDA
approval? From being here for awhile, I got the impression that all a
drug company had to do to get FDA approval was to twist some important
arms, call in their chits, or slap some money down on the counter. I
had no idea it was so hard to please the FDA.

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Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 5/26/2004 3:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as all
the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their invovlement.

I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones, that
requires the participant to pay for medical care.

Perhaps the experts can chime in.

I heard an advertisement on the radio this week looking for
participants in a clinical trial. They were going to get free
medication plus compensation.

remember that Burzynski's "medical/clinical services" don't come
cheap. Sell the house.

Do tell us which ones come cheap???

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Jan

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Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 5/26/2004 3:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
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> Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as all
> the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their invovlement.

I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones, that
requires the participant to pay for medical care.

Perhaps the experts can chime in.

I heard an advertisement on the radio this week looking for
participants in a clinical trial. They were going to get free
medication plus compensation.

remember that Burzynski's "medical/clinical services" don't come
cheap. Sell the house.

Do tell us which ones come cheap???

The ones provided to subjects in legitimate clinical trials.

--
Peter Bowditch
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Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
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Date: 5/26/2004 4:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Hmm. So only one potential drug in 10 in Phase III trials gets FDA
approval? From being here for awhile, I got the impression that all a
drug company had to do to get FDA approval was to twist some important
arms, call in their chits, or slap some money down on the counter. I
had no idea it was so hard to please the FDA.

Perhaps this will give you a clearer picture.

http://www.cancertutor.com/WarBetween/War_Fda.html

Jan

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Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 5/26/2004 6:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 26, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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>> Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as all
>> the Burzynski trials require?
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>Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

invovlement.

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>I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones, that
>requires the participant to pay for medical care.
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>Perhaps the experts can chime in.
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I heard an advertisement on the radio this week looking for
participants in a clinical trial. They were going to get free
medication plus compensation.

remember that Burzynski's "medical/clinical services" don't come
cheap. Sell the house.

Do tell us which ones come cheap???

The ones provided to subjects in legitimate clinical trials.

Such as?? Your anser is very vague.

First you scream for more trials, then you scream when more trials are in the
making. So IOW, you don't want anything except what is already endorsed by EOM.

Who decides which trials are legimate??

If you are aware of some cheap medical/clinical services, plese do post them.

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Jan

1 out of 10 approval, per Jan's info, ain't a lot. What does that FDA
think they are anyway...a Regulatory Agency?

My "kid sister", age 62, was diagnosed with lung cancer almost 2 years
ago (unfortunately a smoker since her high school years, a habit I
completely missed).

She's had both radiation & chemo & is doing quite well, except that she
also has emphysema, which predated the cancer diagnosis by three years.

Anyway, her oncologist was considering applying her for a clinical
trial. which would have cost her nothing. Still may happen.

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http://www.worldhealthsurvey.com/clinical_trials/cancer_myeloma1.php

A Burzynski study.

So???? It's a study, right? Isn't that what you have been asking for?

Go,

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go

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quickly, and sign up now.

I do not fit the criteria, and neither do you. I am not terminally ill,

and,

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you are not the right species.

Opinion, only opinion.........

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> Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as

all

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> the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

invovlement.

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I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones,

that

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requires the participant to pay for medical care.

It is normally regarded as quite unethical. Participants in clinical

trials

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may run unknown risks with no certainty of benefit.

Peter Moran

Peter Moran is speaking of unethical.

Let's take a look.

No. We are discussing a real problem in alternative medicine, since, if Dr.
Burzynski's treatment is so good, why did he not apply for NCCAM funds to
ensure that he could be able to get as many participants into his trials?
Note that ALL the trials listed on this website for cancer related diseases
are his trials. Why wil he not apply for funds to the NCCAm and offer what
he calls his life saving treatment to more people?

Or, if that is too hard for you to conceptualize, then we could discuss
alternative treatments for obsessive compulsive bashing disorder. With a
good discussion of that, perhaps we can find help for you.

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Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as all
the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

invovlement.

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I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones,

that

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requires the participant to pay for medical care.

Perhaps the experts can chime in.

I heard an advertisement on the radio this week looking for
participants in a clinical trial. They were going to get free
medication plus compensation.

remember that Burzynski's "medical/clinical services" don't come
cheap. Sell the house.

As I pointed out to Peter Moran, we recently received an assignment to look
into a possible workers compensation claim where the medical advisor for a
private company which performs clinical trials died of a heart attack during
one of the trials. He was not a participant.

My investigator has interviewed the four subjects who were with him for the
entire evening prior to his death. ALL were compensated for their time and
travel ($75.00 per visit) and had received full medical screenings prior to
being allowed to participate. NONE were asked for a single dollar.

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Subject: Re: Available Clinical Trials
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 5/26/2004 3:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
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> Is that the norm? For participants to pay for a clinical trial, as

all

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> the Burzynski trials require?

Participants in clinical trials are often compensated for their

invovlement.

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I did not find one trial on this site, other than the Burzynski ones,

that

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requires the participant to pay for medical care.

Perhaps the experts can chime in.

I heard an advertisement on the radio this week looking for
participants in a clinical trial. They were going to get free
medication plus compensation.

remember that Burzynski's "medical/clinical services" don't come
cheap. Sell the house.

Do tell us which ones come cheap???

All properly run clinical trials are performed at no cost to the test
subjects.

Think of it this way, Burzynski is charging people to be ginuea pigs.

I trust that you understand this point, and will not defend at least this
part of his practice.