Australian Helmet standards

Walrus said:

I was at Richmond Cyclery on the weekend with a mate looking at helmets.
My mate comments that he wants a Giro Pneumo like I have. The sales guy
butts in and says "You need to be careful with Giro's and some other
helmets. For a while now, some manufacturers haven't exported to
Australia because they have to pay for the Australian standard to be
applied." He then added that "If you have a crash with a helmet that is
not to Australian standards, you may not be covered on insurance."

A quick search located this website http://tinyurl.com/bjvgp which
clearly states that -"The Australian Road Rules clearly demand that a
bicycle helmet must meet the Australian / New Zealand Standards. The
AS/NZ 2063 Standard *does not* recognise any other standard helmet from
any other country. Accordingly, only helmets that meet and carry the AS/
NZ Standards approval are permitted for use on Australian Roads -
including road races conducted under the auspices of CA and its
affiliates."-

I got my Giro off eBay, so there is a US standards sticker on it. It
has a CPSC standard approval on it, which I assume is the US
equivalent.

Any thoughts? Is there any truth in his claim about insurance (pardon
the pun)? If I have a crash, am I at risk of not being covered?

NFI re insurance, but it's illegal to use a non-approved helmet.

The bike shop you got the helmet from (assuming that was in Australia)
should have told you that.

Walrus said:

Any thoughts? Is there any truth in his claim about insurance (pardon
the pun)? If I have a crash, am I at risk of not being covered?

I'd say yes, the law is pretty clear. You could also get fined for not
wearing a helmet

Cheers

Joel

"Walrus" wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

..snip..
Any thoughts? Is there any truth in his claim about insurance (pardon
the pun)? If I have a crash, am I at risk of not being covered?

I got a Limar 909 off Ebay a while back.. after finding the right size at a
local LBS.. the box and booklet came with the Aussie certification tick
indicating it meets Australian standards. Although the helmet itself does
not have that little sticker.

Must be an expensive little sticker that one, I got the helmet $100 cheaper
from Ebay..

cheers,
GPL

Joel Mayes said:

Walrus said:

Any thoughts? Is there any truth in his claim about insurance (pardon
the pun)? If I have a crash, am I at risk of not being covered?

I'd say yes, the law is pretty clear. You could also get fined for not
wearing a helmet

Cheers

Joel

If you're riding in a triathlon the rules state you can use a helmet
which is approved for road use in a country which is affiliated with the
International Triathlon Union (ITU).

Marty

Bleve said:

NFI re insurance, but it's illegal to use a non-approved helmet.

The bike shop you got the helmet from (assuming that was in Australia)
should have told you that.

I got it on eBay...

Walrus said:

Bleve said:

NFI re insurance, but it's illegal to use a non-approved helmet.

The bike shop you got the helmet from (assuming that was in Australia)
should have told you that.

I got it on eBay...

That would be a case of "buyer beware", and you got the advice
you paid for. Don't try and race with that helmet, it's being
enforced now at CA races.

quote='Bleve'Walrus said:

I was at Richmond Cyclery on the weekend with a mate looking at helmets.
My mate comments that he wants a Giro Pneumo like I have. The sales guy
butts in and says "You need to be careful with Giro's and some other
helmets. For a while now, some manufacturers haven't exported to
Australia because they have to pay for the Australian standard to be
applied." He then added that "If you have a crash with a helmet that is
not to Australian standards, you may not be covered on insurance."

A quick search located this website tinyurl.combjvgpOpen ↗ which
clearly states that -"The Australian Road Rules clearly demand that a
bicycle helmet must meet the Australian / New Zealand Standards. The
AS/NZ 2063 Standard *does not* recognise any other standard helmet from
any other country. Accordingly, only helmets that meet and carry the AS/
NZ Standards approval are permitted for use on Australian Roads -
including road races conducted under the auspices of CA and its
affiliates."-

I got my Giro off eBay, so there is a US standards sticker on it. It
has a CPSC standard approval on it, which I assume is the US
equivalent.

Any thoughts? Is there any truth in his claim about insurance (pardon
the pun)? If I have a crash, am I at risk of not being covered?

NFI re insurance, but it's illegal to use a non-approved helmet.

The bike shop you got the helmet from (assuming that was in Australia)
should have told you that.[/QUOTE]

Insurance is legally independent of the statutory legality of wearing the helmet.

If the helmet is not approved, the law considers that you are not riding wearing a helmet.

Insurance - firstly, you may have a contractual obligation under the insurance contract that means that if you are not doing everything that you are legally required to do (helmet, all reflectors etc) your insurance will be void.

Secondly, however, if you do not have a contractual obligation, unless the lack of an approved helmet caused/contributed to the accident or caused/contributed to the damages/injuries, it will be irrelevant to an insurance claim. IF an insurance company was aware that you were wearing a non approved helmet, it may refuse to pay on the basis that your helmet did not meet the required standard AND that this contributed to the accident/injury. The standards in different countries vary. Aus standards are considered to be higher than many others. For example, the Aus standard requires batch testing to ensure ongoing compliance after the initial test - the CPSC standard does not. If the insurer refuses to pay (and many seem to be intent on not paying these days) , you will need to enter into a complex legal argument about the standards and whether the lower standard contributed to the accident or injury - hard work and expensive.

Having said all that, 3 of my helmets are CPSC certified and 1 is Aus standards certified.

Steve A

SteveA said:

Insurance is legally independent of the statutory legality of wearing the helmet.

If the helmet is not approved, the law considers that you are not riding wearing a helmet.

Insurance - firstly, you may have a contractual obligation under the insurance contract that means that if you are not doing everything that you are legally required to do (helmet, all reflectors etc) your insurance will be void.

Secondly, however, if you do not have a contractual obligation, unless the lack of an approved helmet caused/contributed to the accident or caused/contributed to the damages/injuries, it will be irrelevant to an insurance claim. IF an insurance company was aware that you were wearing a non approved helmet, it may refuse to pay on the basis that your helmet did not meet the required standard AND that this contributed to the accident/injury. The standards in different countries vary. Aus standards are considered to be higher than many others. For example, the Aus standard requires batch testing to ensure ongoing compliance after the initial test - the CPSC standard does not. If the insurer refuses to pay (and many seem to be intent on not paying these days) , you will need to enter into a complex legal argument about the standards and whether the lower standard contributed to the accident or injury - hard work and expensive.

Having said all that, 3 of my helmets are CPSC certified and 1 is Aus standards certified.

Steve A

Thanks for that excellent response.

I just got off the phone with my insurer, MBF, and they confirmed that they don't care what sort of helmet I am wearing. They will cover me as long as I am wearing a helmet. I thought this sounded a bit flaky, so when the girl asked me if I wanted her to have that confirmed by her "guru's", I said yes. She put me on hold, then came back in 5 mins and said definitely yes, I am covered.

Given there is zero chance of getting this in writing...I guess it's just up to me to decide whether I want to take the risk (if there is a risk?).

Walrus said:

Thanks for that excellent response.

I just got off the phone with my insurer, MBF, and they confirmed that they don't care what sort of helmet I am wearing. They will cover me as long as I am wearing a helmet. I thought this sounded a bit flaky, so when the girl asked me if I wanted her to have that confirmed by her "guru's", I said yes. She put me on hold, then came back in 5 mins and said definitely yes, I am covered.

Given there is zero chance of getting this in writing...I guess it's just up to me to decide whether I want to take the risk (if there is a risk?).

Note for future: record stuff like that with your phone's voice recording feature 😉

Since a sticker can quite easily fade or come off with time, I don't see how you could get booked for it. Otherwise, the offense should be called "Riding without a sticker" rather than "Riding without a helmet".

Peka said:

Note for future: record stuff like that with your phone's voice recording feature 😉

Since a sticker can quite easily fade or come off with time, I don't see how you could get booked for it. Otherwise, the offense should be called "Riding without a sticker" rather than "Riding without a helmet".

😄 Both good points.

I wonder if I call them back and say "could you just repeat what you told me earlier" would they get suspicious? 🙄

Walrus said:

I wonder if I call them back and say "could you just repeat what you told me earlier" would they get suspicious?

Well if they say anything, you were just double checking - you wouldn't be the first person to get multiple answers to the same question from an insurance company 🙄

Walrus said:

😄 Both good points.

I wonder if I call them back and say "could you just repeat what you told me earlier" would they get suspicious? 🙄

Make a 'contemporaneous' note with date, time and name of person you spoke to. Put it somewhere you will find it (helmet box if you keep them?)

SteveA

Insurance companies will generally try to get out of paying you any money
if they think they can get away with it. In the UK (where helmets are not
compulsory) there have been a number of cases where insurance companies
have tried to get out of paying non-helmet wearing victims of crashes
caused by their policy holders purely on the basis that they contributed to
their injuries by not wearing a helmet. Luckily, in the cases I know about,
they have not been succesful thanks to some on the ball lawyers (on the
cyclists' sides).

In other words, try not to give the insurance companies a legally (if not
morally) justfiable excuse to tell you to get lost, get an Aus Standard
helmet (must get one myself).

Graeme

Quoted message said:

Exactly. I wouldn't want to be them if someone crashes, gets
a head injury while wearing a non-approved helmet, and decides to sue
them.

Have you ever read any of the blurb that comes out of helmet manufacturers?
Not even the manufacturers claim it will prevent head injury in the event
of a crash. All they ever have on their web sites are "cool feature",
"sporty looks" etc (their "in box" blurb is even more clear, usually "if
you hurt your head when wearing this, don't come crying to us" type stuff).
That way they're pretty much in the clear when it comes to claims against
them, and by extension, anyone mandating their use who also do not make
such protective claims. Any sporting body could mandate the wearing of a
frilly pink tutu, but if they make no claims for its effects (implied or
otherwise) then nobody can say it didn't do what it was meant to do.

However, if said sporting body says, "wear your helmet to protect from head
injuries", they're on more dubious ground.

Graeme

Walrus said:

I got my Giro off eBay, so there is a US standards sticker on it.

If it is sold in Australia, then AFAIK it has to meet Australian
standards. If you purchased it elsewhere, then who knows.

At one stage, if faulty memory serves well, Oz standards were the toughest.

As far affecting insurance, then you are going to have to chase this up
with your insurer.

Personally I'd get rid of the US stickers as there is no point in giving
insurance companies a reason to reject your claim.

Couldn't you just find an LBS that stocks your brand of helmet??

Then check if its got the sticker inside... If it has, then you're
apples. (ie. if you have an accident, and it becomes an issue, you can
just say that the sticker came off...). And if it doesn't, then legally
you're toast...

Cheers,
Abby (I fought the law and the, law won...)

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Quoted message said:

I was at Richmond Cyclery on the weekend with a mate looking at helmets.
My mate comments that he wants a Giro Pneumo like I have. The sales guy
butts in and says "You need to be careful with Giro's and some other
helmets. For a while now, some manufacturers haven't exported to
Australia because they have to pay for the Australian standard to be
applied." He then added that "If you have a crash with a helmet that is
not to Australian standards, you may not be covered on insurance."

A quick search located this website http://tinyurl.com/bjvgp which
clearly states that -"The Australian Road Rules clearly demand that a
bicycle helmet must meet the Australian / New Zealand Standards. The
AS/NZ 2063 Standard *does not* recognise any other standard helmet from
any other country. Accordingly, only helmets that meet and carry the AS/
NZ Standards approval are permitted for use on Australian Roads -
including road races conducted under the auspices of CA and its
affiliates."-

I got my Giro off eBay, so there is a US standards sticker on it. It
has a CPSC standard approval on it, which I assume is the US
equivalent.

Any thoughts? Is there any truth in his claim about insurance (pardon
the pun)? If I have a crash, am I at risk of not being covered?

--
Walrus

I am not claiming this to be true but I heard from somewhere (could have
been a bike shop but I can't remember) that the only reason that the Giro
helmets did not meet Australian Standards was that they failed a certain
test that involved hanging weights off of the chin strap or something???
Despite this, they will still provide protection levels as good as the Aust
Std helmets available.

This was a couple of years ago and for pretty well their top of the line
helmets. I was told that they have sinced changed their testing regime to
meet the Aust standards as they are supposedly the toughest around.

Gags

quote='Bleve'Walrus said:

Bleve said:

NFI re insurance, but it's illegal to use a non-approved helmet.

The bike shop you got the helmet from (assuming that was in Australia)
should have told you that.

I got it on eBay...

That would be a case of "buyer beware", and you got the advice
you paid for. Don't try and race with that helmet, it's being
enforced now at CA races.[/QUOTE]

Very true - I was recently at a race where they checked for the presence of the little silver sticker. No sticker = no race.

Ritch

Terry Collins said:

Walrus said:

I got my Giro off eBay, so there is a US standards sticker on it.

If it is sold in Australia, then AFAIK it has to meet Australian
standards.

You can buy anything you want but it only has to meet Oz standards if you
wear it on the road. Doesn't have to meet any standard to be on sale.

Theo