Aubut and Jeanson

MMan said:

Can't believe I missed this back in January:

http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews/January/1.26.069.47AM23.shtml

Whew. Hard stuff in there.

Now that Nicole Freedman has retired from high-level racing, I hope
she does a tell-all of her year or two on the Aubut team.

JT

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Now that Nicole Freedman has retired from high-level racing, I hope
she does a tell-all of her year or two on the Aubut team.

Yeah, that could be interesting. Or it could just be more of what
Marsal talks about and many (myself included) have witnessed.

I suppose she'll say something eventually. Nicole may be retired from
racing, but she'll *never* retire from talking.

:-)

Harsh, and I can't say I'm surprised.

I live in the Phoenix area and back in 2001 I did some races where
Jeanson was present; I announced one race she won as a matter of fact.
I met her (she came up to me first since she was trying to see if I
could find someone to buy one of her used frames) and talked with her
at a couple of races after that. And I did get the brief chance to
talk to Aubut a few times.

It was hardly in depth, but even with the little bit I saw I always had
the feeling there was a really rotten vibe about their relationship.
Believe me, I understand the need to protect a relatively innocent,
unworldly kid from would-be predators. And it's very easy to forget
that, despite her ability on the bike she was 20 or 21 at the time, and
very sheltered for her age. But there was just something about the way
he went about hiding her from everyone, the way he interacted with
people that just made a bad impression.

And let's not forget the tactics he was forcing her to use when racing.
No matter the level of competition there was only one tactic: drop
everyone and time trial the entire distance. The best way to put it
was that he struck me as the sensei from the dojo the bullies trained
at in "The Karate Kid." To think what she could have accomplished with
the proper direction!

Reading this link tells me my sixth sense about this guy was on target.
Sad.

Jim Burlant said:

Harsh, and I can't say I'm surprised.

I live in the Phoenix area and back in 2001 I did some races where
Jeanson was present; I announced one race she won as a matter of fact.
I met her (she came up to me first since she was trying to see if I
could find someone to buy one of her used frames) and talked with her
at a couple of races after that. And I did get the brief chance to
talk to Aubut a few times.

It was hardly in depth, but even with the little bit I saw I always had
the feeling there was a really rotten vibe about their relationship.
Believe me, I understand the need to protect a relatively innocent,
unworldly kid from would-be predators. And it's very easy to forget
that, despite her ability on the bike she was 20 or 21 at the time, and
very sheltered for her age. But there was just something about the way
he went about hiding her from everyone, the way he interacted with
people that just made a bad impression.

And let's not forget the tactics he was forcing her to use when racing.
No matter the level of competition there was only one tactic: drop
everyone and time trial the entire distance. The best way to put it
was that he struck me as the sensei from the dojo the bullies trained
at in "The Karate Kid." To think what she could have accomplished with
the proper direction!

Reading this link tells me my sixth sense about this guy was on target.
Sad.

i used to see them at a gym, training. At the time i think she was like
18. At first i thought the guy was her father, since he's about the
right age. I also got that weird feeling watching them together. Not sex
or anything like that, but more like he was very controlling and sort
of Svengali, like calling all the shots. It was very strange to watch.
Then I didn't see them for a while and when she came back, she had lost
a lot of weight and was REALLY skinny. I mean she was always skinny, but
she had like NO body fat and her ab muscles were like a bodybuilders.
One thing i thought was weird that her parents didn't mind her being
under this guy's control, she was like 17 and spending all her time with
him. I guess I'm not the only person who picked up a bad vibe...

Jim Burlant said:

Harsh, and I can't say I'm surprised.

I live in the Phoenix area and back in 2001 I did some races where
Jeanson was present; I announced one race she won as a matter of fact.
I met her (she came up to me first since she was trying to see if I
could find someone to buy one of her used frames) and talked with her
at a couple of races after that. And I did get the brief chance to
talk to Aubut a few times.

It was hardly in depth, but even with the little bit I saw I always had
the feeling there was a really rotten vibe about their relationship.
Believe me, I understand the need to protect a relatively innocent,
unworldly kid from would-be predators. And it's very easy to forget
that, despite her ability on the bike she was 20 or 21 at the time, and
very sheltered for her age. But there was just something about the way
he went about hiding her from everyone, the way he interacted with
people that just made a bad impression.

And let's not forget the tactics he was forcing her to use when racing.
No matter the level of competition there was only one tactic: drop
everyone and time trial the entire distance. The best way to put it
was that he struck me as the sensei from the dojo the bullies trained
at in "The Karate Kid." To think what she could have accomplished with
the proper direction!

Reading this link tells me my sixth sense about this guy was on target.
Sad.

You don't know a goddamn thing about their relationship.

Magilla

Marlene Blanshay said:

Jim Burlant said:

Harsh, and I can't say I'm surprised.

I live in the Phoenix area and back in 2001 I did some races where
Jeanson was present; I announced one race she won as a matter of fact.
I met her (she came up to me first since she was trying to see if I
could find someone to buy one of her used frames) and talked with her
at a couple of races after that. And I did get the brief chance to
talk to Aubut a few times.

It was hardly in depth, but even with the little bit I saw I always had
the feeling there was a really rotten vibe about their relationship.
Believe me, I understand the need to protect a relatively innocent,
unworldly kid from would-be predators. And it's very easy to forget
that, despite her ability on the bike she was 20 or 21 at the time, and
very sheltered for her age. But there was just something about the way
he went about hiding her from everyone, the way he interacted with
people that just made a bad impression.

And let's not forget the tactics he was forcing her to use when racing.
No matter the level of competition there was only one tactic: drop
everyone and time trial the entire distance. The best way to put it
was that he struck me as the sensei from the dojo the bullies trained
at in "The Karate Kid." To think what she could have accomplished with
the proper direction!

Reading this link tells me my sixth sense about this guy was on target.
Sad.

i used to see them at a gym, training. At the time i think she was like
18. At first i thought the guy was her father, since he's about the
right age. I also got that weird feeling watching them together. Not sex
or anything like that, but more like he was very controlling and sort
of Svengali, like calling all the shots. It was very strange to watch.
Then I didn't see them for a while and when she came back, she had lost
a lot of weight and was REALLY skinny. I mean she was always skinny, but
she had like NO body fat and her ab muscles were like a bodybuilders.
One thing i thought was weird that her parents didn't mind her being
under this guy's control, she was like 17 and spending all her time with
him. I guess I'm not the only person who picked up a bad vibe...

So I guess it's better to be like most U.S. women riders who don't win
any big races so long as it gives superfifical people a "good vibe."

Winning World Cup races and riding away from elite fields in 2 hour
breakaways week after week is better than anything any US rider will
ever accomplish in our lifetime.

Maybe you should get a "bad vibe" for all those fat riders who race like
pack-fill for years and never accomplish 10% of what Jeanson did in 5 years.

Take care,

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

Second, tossing a radio back to someone and hitting them in the chest
is hardly a police matter.

A radio is ok, but a telephone might land you in trouble.

On 5/28/06 3:44 AM, in article
[email hidden], "Donald Munro"

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Second, tossing a radio back to someone and hitting them in the chest
is hardly a police matter.

A radio is ok, but a telephone might land you in trouble.

A cell phone? Ala McKinney.

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Second, tossing a radio back to someone and hitting them in the chest
is hardly a police matter.

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

A radio is ok, but a telephone might land you in trouble.

ST said:

A cell phone? Ala McKinney.

Some of Stu's countrymen practise phone throwing when there aren't any
sheep around (and its hard to find sheep in NY).

Donald Munro said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

>Second, tossing a radio back to someone and hitting them in the chest
>is hardly a police matter.

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

A radio is ok, but a telephone might land you in trouble.

ST said:

A cell phone? Ala McKinney.

Some of Stu's countrymen practise phone throwing when there aren't any
sheep around (and its hard to find sheep in NY).

Australian police recently tracked down a sheep stealer using DNA
evidence. On hearing that you can retrieve DNA material from sheep, 50,
000 Australian farmers immediately went into hiding.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,19287914%5E2862,00.html