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MMan said:

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I hope Benjo can tell us some more about Brigadier Jeremy
Furlingdrome-Pulitzer. I can't say I've read about him in any of the
standard histories.

Steve

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MMan said:

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s6i8315

I hope Benjo can tell us some more about Brigadier Jeremy
Furlingdrome-Pulitzer. I can't say I've read about him in any of the
standard histories.

I immediately scrutinized all the Auto's from 1903 to 1914, but I'm afraid
even Henri Desgrange went to all lenghts to deny his existence.

Benjo

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MMan said:

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s6i8315

I hope Benjo can tell us some more about Brigadier Jeremy
Furlingdrome-Pulitzer. I can't say I've read about him in any of the
standard histories.

I immediately scrutinized all the Auto's from 1903 to 1914, but I'm afraid
even Henri Desgrange went to all lenghts to deny his existence.

Benjo

Damn, Benjo, I remember the photo of your music room. I can't imagine
what your cycling library must look like.

Steve

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http://www.dentaltwins.com
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718-258-5001

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>http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s6i8315
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I hope Benjo can tell us some more about Brigadier Jeremy
Furlingdrome-Pulitzer. I can't say I've read about him in any of the
standard histories.

I immediately scrutinized all the Auto's from 1903 to 1914, but I'm
afraid even Henri Desgrange went to all lenghts to deny his existence.

Benjo

Damn, Benjo, I remember the photo of your music room. I can't imagine what
your cycling library must look like.

I'm afraid the presence of volumes of l'Auto at my home is as fictitious as
the existence of Brigadier Jeremy Furlingdrome-Pulitzer :-(

Benjo

benjo maso said:

I'm afraid the presence of volumes of l'Auto at my home is as fictitious as
the existence of Brigadier Jeremy Furlingdrome-Pulitzer :-(

Benjo

Hmmm...you just burst my bubble.
I have your book at home. I do not remember if you have a bibliography
in it. I assume these (written) sources are available somewhere (apart
from your contact with first-hand sources, though obviously not that far
back). Where do you find this stuff?

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

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benjo maso said:

I'm afraid the presence of volumes of l'Auto at my home is as fictitious
as the existence of Brigadier Jeremy Furlingdrome-Pulitzer :-(

Benjo

Hmmm...you just burst my bubble.
I have your book at home. I do not remember if you have a bibliography in
it. I assume these (written) sources are available somewhere (apart from
your contact with first-hand sources, though obviously not that far back).
Where do you find this stuff?

I see that there is no bibliography, that's really a shame (I hadn't noticed
before). In the Dutch version there is one: about hundred books and several
newspapers, magazines, etc. Most of the books are my own. The old ones I had
to buy second-hand on markets, etc..sometimes with incredible strokes if
luck, for instance when I found a copy of Henri Desgrange's "La tête et les
jambes" signed by the author for about two dollars. Some other books I had
to borrow from a acquaintance of mine who collects books about bicyle
racing. For the newspapers (l'Auto, l'Equipe, Gazetta dello Sport, etc.) I
had to go to Paris (the archives of the Equipe) and to Rome (the Biblioteca
Sportiva). Not really a sacrifice :-)

Benjo

benjo maso said:

I see that there is no bibliography, that's really a shame (I hadn't noticed
before). In the Dutch version there is one: about hundred books and several
newspapers, magazines, etc. Most of the books are my own. The old ones I had
to buy second-hand on markets, etc..sometimes with incredible strokes if
luck, for instance when I found a copy of Henri Desgrange's "La tête et les
jambes" signed by the author for about two dollars. Some other books I had
to borrow from a acquaintance of mine who collects books about bicyle
racing. For the newspapers (l'Auto, l'Equipe, Gazetta dello Sport, etc.) I
had to go to Paris (the archives of the Equipe) and to Rome (the Biblioteca
Sportiva). Not really a sacrifice :-)

Benjo

Hmmm--sounds like fun. I'm a collector by nature (not good when you
live in an apartment). The prospect of finding Desgrange's book on ebay
someday (signed or not) is getting me a little sweaty.

Steve

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benjo maso said:

I see that there is no bibliography, that's really a shame (I hadn't
noticed before). In the Dutch version there is one: about hundred books
and several newspapers, magazines, etc. Most of the books are my own. The
old ones I had to buy second-hand on markets, etc..sometimes with
incredible strokes if luck, for instance when I found a copy of Henri
Desgrange's "La tête et les jambes" signed by the author for about two
dollars. Some other books I had to borrow from a acquaintance of mine who
collects books about bicyle racing. For the newspapers (l'Auto, l'Equipe,
Gazetta dello Sport, etc.) I had to go to Paris (the archives of the
Equipe) and to Rome (the Biblioteca Sportiva). Not really a sacrifice :-)

Benjo

Hmmm--sounds like fun. I'm a collector by nature (not good when you live
in an apartment). The prospect of finding Desgrange's book on ebay
someday (signed or not) is getting me a little sweaty.

You can get it for 60 euro at
http://www.livre-rare-book.com/Matieres/fd/3217e.html, for 70 at
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scp.bernard-bardin/catalogue_060703.htm

Benjo

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benjo maso said:

I'm afraid the presence of volumes of l'Auto at my home is as fictitious
as the existence of Brigadier Jeremy Furlingdrome-Pulitzer :-(

Benjo

Hmmm...you just burst my bubble.
I have your book at home. I do not remember if you have a bibliography in
it. I assume these (written) sources are available somewhere (apart from
your contact with first-hand sources, though obviously not that far back).
Where do you find this stuff?

I see that there is no bibliography, that's really a shame (I hadn't noticed
before). In the Dutch version there is one: about hundred books and several
newspapers, magazines, etc. Most of the books are my own. The old ones I had
to buy second-hand on markets, etc..sometimes with incredible strokes if
luck, for instance when I found a copy of Henri Desgrange's "La tête et les
jambes" signed by the author for about two dollars. Some other books I had
to borrow from a acquaintance of mine who collects books about bicyle
racing. For the newspapers (l'Auto, l'Equipe, Gazetta dello Sport, etc.) I
had to go to Paris (the archives of the Equipe) and to Rome (the Biblioteca
Sportiva). Not really a sacrifice :-)

Benjo

I would love to see that bibliography. Too bad they left it out of the
English version. 🙁
I'd wondered if l'Equipe had an archive. How difficult is it to get
access there? I ask out of curiosity: my trips to the archives in Paris
are typically spent in the Foreign Ministry, but an excursion to
l'Equipe would be quite a bit more fun, to say the least.

benjo maso said:

You can get it for 60 euro at
http://www.livre-rare-book.com/Matieres/fd/3217e.html, for 70 at
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scp.bernard-bardin/catalogue_060703.htm

Benjo

Oh, baby!
Thanks!

Steve

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benjo maso said:

I see that there is no bibliography, that's really a shame (I hadn't noticed
before). In the Dutch version there is one: about hundred books and several
newspapers, magazines, etc. Most of the books are my own. The old ones I had
to buy second-hand on markets, etc..sometimes with incredible strokes if
luck, for instance when I found a copy of Henri Desgrange's "La tête et les
jambes" signed by the author for about two dollars. Some other books I had
to borrow from a acquaintance of mine who collects books about bicyle
racing. For the newspapers (l'Auto, l'Equipe, Gazetta dello Sport, etc.) I
had to go to Paris (the archives of the Equipe) and to Rome (the Biblioteca
Sportiva). Not really a sacrifice :-)

Benjo

Hmmm--sounds like fun. I'm a collector by nature (not good when you
live in an apartment). The prospect of finding Desgrange's book on ebay
someday (signed or not) is getting me a little sweaty.

Steve

Yeah, but it's a wonderful disease isn't it? On one of our military
moves we had 70 boxes of books which wrecked our weight limit so we
managed to scale it back to about 45 at present and we haven't been
haunting the New England flea markets too much recently or we'd be
buried again. Can't wait to build a place with a huge library and shop,
the rest isn't really that important is it?
You've got to have books and music just to have them if nothing else.
Bill C

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I would love to see that bibliography. Too bad they left it out of the
English version. 🙁

I'm really shocked. But I can sent it to you if you want to.

Quoted message said:

I'd wondered if l'Equipe had an archive. How difficult is it to get
access there? I ask out of curiosity: my trips to the archives in Paris
are typically spent in the Foreign Ministry, but an excursion to l'Equipe
would be quite a bit more fun, to say the least.

Unfortunately the archive of the Auto was destroyed in the Second World War,
but the Equipe has a very good historian (Serge Laget) who has collected a
lot of material and because he was the friend of a friend, he allowed me to
spent there a few days. But that was fifteen years ago. It would be much
harder now. The last time I was at L'Equipe (three or four years ago for my
other book), Serge Laget was as friendly as ever, but I only got acces
because I was collaborating on a film who was paying hard money ...

Benjo

benjo maso said:

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Quoted message said:

I would love to see that bibliography. Too bad they left it out of the
English version. 🙁

I'm really shocked. But I can sent it to you if you want to.

Quoted message said:

I'd wondered if l'Equipe had an archive. How difficult is it to get
access there? I ask out of curiosity: my trips to the archives in Paris
are typically spent in the Foreign Ministry, but an excursion to l'Equipe
would be quite a bit more fun, to say the least.

Unfortunately the archive of the Auto was destroyed in the Second World War,
but the Equipe has a very good historian (Serge Laget) who has collected a
lot of material and because he was the friend of a friend, he allowed me to
spent there a few days. But that was fifteen years ago. It would be much
harder now. The last time I was at L'Equipe (three or four years ago for my
other book), Serge Laget was as friendly as ever, but I only got acces
because I was collaborating on a film who was paying hard money ...

Has l'Équipe moved? It used to be opposite Chartier Restaurant but the
sign has gone...
All the best
Dan Gregory

Bill C said:

Steven Bornfeld said:

benjo maso said:

I see that there is no bibliography, that's really a shame (I hadn't noticed
before). In the Dutch version there is one: about hundred books and several
newspapers, magazines, etc. Most of the books are my own. The old ones I had
to buy second-hand on markets, etc..sometimes with incredible strokes if
luck, for instance when I found a copy of Henri Desgrange's "La tête et les
jambes" signed by the author for about two dollars. Some other books I had
to borrow from a acquaintance of mine who collects books about bicyle
racing. For the newspapers (l'Auto, l'Equipe, Gazetta dello Sport, etc.) I
had to go to Paris (the archives of the Equipe) and to Rome (the Biblioteca
Sportiva). Not really a sacrifice :-)

Benjo

Hmmm--sounds like fun. I'm a collector by nature (not good when you
live in an apartment). The prospect of finding Desgrange's book on ebay
someday (signed or not) is getting me a little sweaty.

Steve

Yeah, but it's a wonderful disease isn't it? On one of our military
moves we had 70 boxes of books which wrecked our weight limit so we
managed to scale it back to about 45 at present and we haven't been
haunting the New England flea markets too much recently or we'd be
buried again. Can't wait to build a place with a huge library and shop,
the rest isn't really that important is it?
You've got to have books and music just to have them if nothing else.
Bill C

A few years ago I was tipped by a poster I knew not on rec.
music.classical.guitar) about a cache of old classical guitar music
being sold on a stoop by some guy in Park Slope. I bought about 3
cartons for $50, and had about 75 lbs of turn of the last century guitar
magazines, methods, music. Most of it was pre-war, some as old as about
1830.
Some I gave to a well-known guitar music publisher in exchange for
books; some I gave to a friend. The rest sits in the back of my office,
still not fully catalogued--my wife won't let me take it home.

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Mark & Steven Bornfeld said:

Bill C said:

Steven Bornfeld said:

benjo maso wrote:

>I see that there is no bibliography, that's really a shame (I hadn't noticed
>before). In the Dutch version there is one: about hundred books and several
>newspapers, magazines, etc. Most of the books are my own. The old onesI had
>to buy second-hand on markets, etc..sometimes with incredible strokes if
>luck, for instance when I found a copy of Henri Desgrange's "La têteet les
>jambes" signed by the author for about two dollars. Some other books Ihad
>to borrow from a acquaintance of mine who collects books about bicyle
>racing. For the newspapers (l'Auto, l'Equipe, Gazetta dello Sport, etc..) I
>had to go to Paris (the archives of the Equipe) and to Rome (the Biblioteca
>Sportiva). Not really a sacrifice :-)
>
>Benjo

Hmmm--sounds like fun. I'm a collector by nature (not good when you
live in an apartment). The prospect of finding Desgrange's book on ebay
someday (signed or not) is getting me a little sweaty.

Steve

Yeah, but it's a wonderful disease isn't it? On one of our military
moves we had 70 boxes of books which wrecked our weight limit so we
managed to scale it back to about 45 at present and we haven't been
haunting the New England flea markets too much recently or we'd be
buried again. Can't wait to build a place with a huge library and shop,
the rest isn't really that important is it?
You've got to have books and music just to have them if nothing else.
Bill C

A few years ago I was tipped by a poster I knew not on rec.
music.classical.guitar) about a cache of old classical guitar music
being sold on a stoop by some guy in Park Slope. I bought about 3
cartons for $50, and had about 75 lbs of turn of the last century guitar
magazines, methods, music. Most of it was pre-war, some as old as about
1830.
Some I gave to a well-known guitar music publisher in exchange for
books; some I gave to a friend. The rest sits in the back of my office,
still not fully catalogued--my wife won't let me take it home.

Steve

Incredible find. Fortunately for me my wife is almost as bad, and we
look for different things so the house almost always looks like a
library basement. Good luck with finding more, and then getting it
home. :-)
Bill C

benjo maso said:

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I would love to see that bibliography. Too bad they left it out of the
English version. 🙁

I'm really shocked. But I can sent it to you if you want to.

Quoted message said:

I'd wondered if l'Equipe had an archive. How difficult is it to get
access there? I ask out of curiosity: my trips to the archives in Paris
are typically spent in the Foreign Ministry, but an excursion to l'Equipe
would be quite a bit more fun, to say the least.

Unfortunately the archive of the Auto was destroyed in the Second World War,
but the Equipe has a very good historian (Serge Laget) who has collected a
lot of material and because he was the friend of a friend, he allowed me to
spent there a few days. But that was fifteen years ago. It would be much
harder now. The last time I was at L'Equipe (three or four years ago for my
other book), Serge Laget was as friendly as ever, but I only got acces
because I was collaborating on a film who was paying hard money ...

Benjo

Benjo,

The email addy in my id works, so yes, I would appreciate it a great
deal if you could send me a copy of the bibliography. I'd like to read
more, but to be honest, I don't really know where to start. They
didn't, unfortunately, teach the history of cycling in grad school ;-)

As for the archives, I had a feeling it was something like that, but I
thought it worth asking in any case. I really have no good reason to go
there, except that I like digging through old documents, and reading
some of the old Tour coverage would be great.

My thanks for your reply,

Jen

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As for the archives, I had a feeling it was something like that, but I
thought it worth asking in any case. I really have no good reason to go
there, except that I like digging through old documents, and reading some
of the old Tour coverage would be great.

It is great. But you can read the Auto and the Equipe also in the
Bibliothèque Nationale. Their copies are even more complete than in the
Equipe, because a lot of people have cut out articles, etc. For instance, I
had to go the the Bibl. Nat. to read about Koblet's famous victory in
Brive-Agen 1951. One of the reason why the hospitality in the office of the
Equipe isn't so great.

Benjo

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Has l'Équipe moved? It used to be opposite Chartier Restaurant but the
sign has gone...

You mean in the Faubourg Montmartre? But yes, l'Equipe moved some 20 ago to
the suburb (Issy-les-Moulineaux).

Benjo.

benjo maso said:

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As for the archives, I had a feeling it was something like that, but I
thought it worth asking in any case. I really have no good reason to go
there, except that I like digging through old documents, and reading some
of the old Tour coverage would be great.

It is great. But you can read the Auto and the Equipe also in the
Bibliothèque Nationale. Their copies are even more complete than in the
Equipe, because a lot of people have cut out articles, etc. For instance, I
had to go the the Bibl. Nat. to read about Koblet's famous victory in
Brive-Agen 1951. One of the reason why the hospitality in the office of the
Equipe isn't so great.

Benjo

I've worked at the BN. LOL, why do I have the feeling that my next trip
may involve a few digressions into the Auto and Equipe stacks. It might
not be such a good thing that I know that they are there :-)

Thank you again for sharing this!