Atkins while working out

"Chad C." <[email hidden]> wrote

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If I am to assume that dietary fiber (both soluble and
insoluble, right?) do not become energy for the body,
then the actual calories from this bread are actually
only 60 calories per slice, correct?

One workable definition of fiber is the stuff that remains
undigested after passing through the large intestine. But,
some fibers, especially soluble ones, can be fermented by
bacteria in the large intestine into products like short
chain fatty acids. These can be absobed into the
bloodstream. The result is that soluble fibers yield about
1.5 to 2.5 kcal/g but the precise values remain unknown.

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I want to be careful though not to lose the benefits of the
Atkins approach to diet.

That there is any real benefit to such an approach remains
debatable. You would probably do better with current WHO/FAO
recommendations, which advises a moderate to high
carbohydrate intake with at least 400 g/day of nonstarchy
vegetables. More would be better.

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Does it even make sense to actively pursue muscle
development as you seek to lose body fat?

Train as hard as you are able, keep protein somewhat
elevated, eat lots of vegetables and to a lesser extent
fruit, legumes, raw nuts and seeds, and aim for a wide
variety of whole food sources. Contrived formulations of
overpriced breads are not essential. You can get more
vitamins, minerals, and protective phytochemicals with fewer
calories by eating a diverse quantity of vegetables instead.

"Chad C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hello folks,

I'm trying to lose my last 10 pounds of what I consider
excess fat (I
have more muscular than normal abs, but fat is clearly
covering them up).

I

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also want to increase my muscle mass by working out, and
to that end I purchased a membership to a popular local
health/gym club. I'm highly intrigued by many of the
principles of the Atkins diet, and I would like

to

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hear your opinion on whether or not I should supplement
some high quality carbohydrates immediately before and
after working and treadmill sessions commensurate with
said appreciation. Here's the bread I really like,
available at Costco:

Twenty Grain "Made With Organic Sprouted Grain" "50% Less
Carbs than most breads" Serving Size: 38g / 1 slice
Calories: 80 (55 from carbohydrates, 20 from protein, 5
from fat)

Total carbohydrates: 14g Dietary Fiber: 4g Sugars: <1g

If I am to assume that dietary fiber (both soluble and
insoluble, right?) do not become energy for the body,
then the actual calories from this bread are actually
only 60 calories per slice, correct? Why does the
nutrition label thus show 80 calories per slice? In
particular I'm very concerned that any diet I be on be
optimal for muscular development. A few days ago
someone in this newsgroup mentioned that some
carbohydrates following work out might be optimal for
muscular growth. I want to be careful though not to
lose the benefits of the Atkins approach to diet.

Does

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it even make sense to actively pursue muscle development
as you seek to

lose

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body fat?

Thank you for your help!

-Chad

do a search for tkd or "targeted ketogenic diet"

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:00:07 GMT, "dec" <[email hidden]> posted:

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"Chad C." <[email hidden]> wrote

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If I am to assume that dietary fiber (both soluble
and insoluble, right?) do not become energy for the
body, then the actual calories from this bread are
actually only 60 calories per slice, correct?

One workable definition of fiber is the stuff that remains
undigested after passing through the large intestine. But,
some fibers, especially soluble ones, can be fermented by
bacteria in the large intestine into products like short
chain fatty acids. These can be absobed into the
bloodstream.

Can they? I understood that bacteria and gut wall cells
utilised them.

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The result is that soluble fibers yield about 1.5 to 2.5
kcal/g but the precise values remain unknown.

Sort of depends on what molecules in the continuum from
soluble carbs to insoluble carbs you draw your line at. By
most definitions, absorbable carbs are not fibre.

"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote

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One workable definition of fiber is the stuff that
remains undigested after passing through the large
intestine. But, some fibers, especially soluble ones, can
be fermented by bacteria in the large intestine into
products like short chain fatty acids. These can be
absobed into the bloodstream.

Can they?

They most certainly can. See:

Tungland B, Meyer D, Nondisgestible Oligo- and
Polysaccharides (Dietary Fiber): Their Physiology and Role
in Human Health and Food, Comprehensive Reviews in Food
Science and Safety, V3 2002

Fulll paper is at ift.orgcrfsfsv01n3p073Open ↗
092ms20001598.pdf Be sure to read p.7. An HTML cache is
available.

You might also find this paper relevant:

The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 127 No. 10 October 1997, pp.
2000-2005 The Western Lowland Gorilla Diet Has Implications
for the Health of Humans and Other Hominoids David G.
Popovich, David J. A. Jenkins, Cyril W. C. Kendall, Ellen S.
Dierenfeld, Richard W. Carroll, Nauman Tariq, and Edward
Vidgen nutrition.org2000Open ↗

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 17:24:23 GMT, "dec" <[email hidden]> posted:

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"Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote

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One workable definition of fiber is the stuff that
remains undigested after passing through the large
intestine. But, some fibers, especially soluble ones,
can be fermented by bacteria in the large intestine into
products like short chain fatty acids. These can be
absobed into the bloodstream.

Can they?

They most certainly can. See:

Thanks for that Dec. Most interesting. I understood they
couldn't, but I've learned something. I believed that they
were grabbed by other bacteria and gut lining cells for
their energy content. They are surely important for gut cell
health. I wonder what the max energy from any food would
come via this route. I guess not very significant to energy
balance wrt weight control.

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Tungland B, Meyer D, Nondisgestible Oligo- and
Polysaccharides (Dietary Fiber): Their Physiology and Role
in Human Health and Food, Comprehensive Reviews in Food
Science and Safety, V3 2002

Fulll paper is at ift.orgcrfsfsv01n3p073Open ↗
092ms20001598.pdf Be sure to read p.7. An HTML cache is
available.

You might also find this paper relevant:

The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 127 No. 10 October 1997, pp.
2000-2005 The Western Lowland Gorilla Diet Has Implications
for the Health of Humans and Other Hominoids David G.
Popovich, David J. A. Jenkins, Cyril W. C. Kendall, Ellen
S. Dierenfeld, Richard W. Carroll, Nauman Tariq, and Edward
Vidgen
nutrition.org2000Open ↗